10 different NT warning-types against eternal security

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Unfortunately my friend many people today, and some on this forum, have claimed their salvation and believe, or at least say they believe, that nothing they can do will cause them to lose it. In this of course they make God a respecter of persons as they effectively are saying He gave them an opportunity that He did not give to Adam and Eve nor to the multitudes who lived and died under the laws given to the OT writers and prophets.

I would remind everyone of the three specific verses on eternal security that are most often quoted; which must be integrated into our theology as holy scriptural truth:

Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Believing in Him who sent the Lord after hearing His word, will have the effect of 1) the person shall not come into condemnation, 2) they have passed from death into everlasting life; and, 3) they currently have everlasting life.

Jhn 6:47, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Whoever believes on Jesus Christ currently has everlasting life; and the nature of everlasting life is that it will never come to an end. And therefore, if the life spoken of is salvation, salvation cannot be lost; because if salvation is lost then the life is lost and therefore came to an end; and therefore the nature of the life being spoken of was not everlasting but temporal. Yet the promise of the Lord is that we shall have everlasting life.

Jhn 10:27, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jhn 10:28, And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jhn 10:29, My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Jhn 10:30, I and my Father are one.

There is a threefold assurance here: 1) there is eternal life; which again, exists throughout eternity; and, 2) they shall never perish; and, 3) no one can pluck them out of God's hand.

With 3), there is often an objection made, that a person can walk away themselves. I will say that if the fear of the LORD is not present, this is possible. However, if you do have the fear of the LORD, it is an everlasting fear (Psalms 19:9); and it will also serve to keep you so that you don't walk away from Him (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv)).

I will mention also that the promise is given to Jesus' sheep, whom Jesus knows; and that therefore, if someone is a worker of iniquity, he cannot presume to think that he is a recipient of this threefold assurance/promise. For it is written that Jesus said,

Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

We are under a new covenant that has different specifics than the old.
 
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Are you serious, or is this some kind of sad joke?

Perhaps, you're not aware of all of James' teachings on:
"faith without works is dead".

Paul wrote,
"Work out your salvation with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12)
(And there are many other "fear God" NT verses!)
Was he not writing to those who were in a state of grace?
Was he not exhorting them to continue, else they would fall?
Fall where? ... from never being born-again?
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The bible is clear we are saved by faith, Not by works.
Because we love Jesus we show that by the way we keep his commands and do the work prepared for us, but all our good deeds do is show we have faith and that we love Jesus.
 
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And He said to them all,
If any man will come after Me,
.. let him deny himself,
.... and take up his cross daily,
...... and follow Me.
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it:
.. but whosoever will lose his life for My sake,
.... the same shall save it.
...... For what is a man advantaged,
........ if He gain the whole world,
.......... and lose Himself,
or be cast away?
(Luke 9:23-25)

Hello @Zachary,

These words of the Lord Jesus Christ follow two question asked by the Lord of His disciples 'Whom say the people that I am?' and 'But whom say ye that I am?' The answer given concerning the first question was that the people thought that He was either John the Baptist, Elias, or one of the Old Testament Prophets which had risen again, but in relation to the second question, Peter answered by saying, 'The Christ of God'.

* Then the Lord told them not to repeat those words to any man, for it was necessary that He should suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and scribes, be slain and rise again on the third day.

* The words you quote are followed also by the words of verse 26:-

'For whosoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words,
of him shall the Son of man be ashamed,
when He shall come in His Own glory,
and in His Father's,
and of the holy angels.'


* His listeners who had acknowledged that the Lord Jesus Christ was 'the Christ of God', would never be guilty of being ashamed of the Lord Jesus Christ, or of His words: so there is no possibility of them suffering shame. Also believers will not be on the earth when the Lord returns as judge (as described in verse 26).

* The men to whom He spoke were believing Israelites, His disciples. The verses you have quoted were not spoken as a warning to His disciples, but referred to those who had not made that like confession. The people who had not received the same enlightenment as to His person and His work: it is they who would be likely to be ashamed of Him and of His words.

* What can be lost by the believer is reward, not life.

I shall have to leave it there.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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We are under a new covenant that has different specifics than the old.
Yes, but God has never changed and He has never been a respecter of persons. A person's punishment, chastisement, salvation and/or reward is always based on a fair judgement by God. He looks at the heart always!
 

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Yes, but God has never changed and He has never been a respecter of persons. A person's punishment, chastisement, salvation and/or reward is always based on a fair judgement by God. He looks at the heart always!
The earnest of the Holy Spirit (who seals us unto the day of redemption) was not given until after Jesus was glorified (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5; John 7:37-39)
 
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Warnings about gaining eternal death

'Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh:
for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity;
even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God,
ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.'
(Romans 6:16-23)

Hello @Zachary,

These, to whom Paul wrote, had been the servants of sin, but now were free from sin, and had become servants to God, having their fruit unto holiness. These were not being warned about the loss of eternal life, for they had obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which had been delivered unto them. They believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.

The true believer who is saved by God's grace, seeks to walk accordingly, to bring honour and glory to Him Who has delivered them from the power of sin and death., and brought them into the light of His presence.

Context is so important.

In Christ Jesus
Chris[/QUOTE]
 

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"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God"

(Romans 6:16-23)
People on Christian forums have mis-understood this passage for years!

Servants of righteousness ...and... servants to God.
These are supposed to be the case, yes! ... These are technically true!
But, they are NOT practically true!
This is NOT how the Roman believers are living!

And that is why Paul is warning them about gaining eternal death,
IF they continue with their sinning ways ... habitual sinning with no repentance!

No one gets into heaven to live with a most Holy God for all eternity
who is a habitual sinner with no repentance.

Jesus will cleanse away with His blood ...
the sins of BACs who confess/repent/forsake them! (1 John 1:7-9)

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Warnings about being shut out of the kingdom of God

'Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
Know ye not that
the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you:
but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified,
but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus,
and by the Spirit of our God.'

(1Corinthians 6:8)

Hello @Zachary,

These to whom Paul wrote were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of God. They had been delivered from the sins listed, so the warning was not for them. No one doubts the fate of such who have not been saved by grace, as these Corinthians obviously had been.

This warning was not for those to whom the righteousness of God had been imputed.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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'Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you:
but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified,
but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus,
and by the Spirit of our God.'
(1Corinthians 6:8)
The unrighteous live that sinning lifestyle.
ALL of you lived that sinning lifestyle.
So, we have to look deeper.

the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God
What do the 2 parallel passages say?
Galatians 5:19-21 and Ephesians 5:3-6.

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Warnings about being shut out of the New Jerusalem

'Blessed are they that do His commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.'

(Revelation 22:14)

Hello @Zachary

These words are obviously not spoken to believers, but to those who have not believed on the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord. For the work of God is' to believe on Him Whom He hath sent' (John 6:29)

These are being judged according to their works: so do not refer to those who have been saved by grace alone.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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I suppose this passage doesn't apply to BACs either ...

Revelation 21:
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2 categories: unbelieving ...and... believers

Sorry, I'm here to warn you that ALL of these passages apply to everyone!

Can BACs get away with a sinning lifestyle
whilst non-believers cannot get away with it?

How ludicrous!

Just because the churches are too cowardly to tell you the Truth,
does NOT mean that God's warnings don't exist in Scripture.
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The earnest of the Holy Spirit (who seals us unto the day of redemption) was not given until after Jesus was glorified (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5; John 7:37-39)
That does not change what I wrote nor what God is.

As to seals, they can be broken although it is not wise to do it and when it is time they should be broken by the proper person [the cook or his designated helper]. It can be done on purpose or by accident or by error during the canning process.

My mother canned fruits and vegetables for many years. During the winter or in bad seasons when there was no fresh fruit or vegetables from our trees and garden, she always had plenty to prepare for us from jars canned in previous good seasons. However, sometimes there was a bad jar where the seal had been broken before being opened to eat. The result of course was that the contents were inedible.

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Eph 4:30

We sealed by the Holy Spirit of God and the seal remains until we break it before our time is finished... that is before it is time for mama to cook the meal... that is when we have finished our course. Once the clean air and food on the inside is exposed to the outer air full living things, we would soon see the growth of things on the surface of the food that are poisonous to men.

"Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." II Cor 1:22

Earnest:
ajrrabwvn Arrhabon (ar-hrab-ohn');
Word Origin: Hebrew, Noun Masculine, Strong #: 728


  1. an earnest
    1. money which in purchases is given as a pledge or downpayment that the full amount will subsequently be paid
From Investopedia:
What is Earnest Money

Earnest money is a deposit made to a seller that represents a buyer's good faith to buy a home. The money gives the buyer extra time to get financing and conduct the title search, property appraisal and inspections before closing. In most cases, earnest money is delivered when the sales contract or purchase agreement is signed, but it can also be attached to the offer. Once deposited, the funds are typically held in an escrow account until closing, at which time the deposit is applied to the buyer’s down payment and closing costs.

Earnest money is also known as an escrow deposit or good faith money.

We, not God or Jesus, are the buyers. The earnest of the Spirit was placed in our hearts for us as an advance from God, but then we must go from faith to faith to come up with the balance owed by us. How does one increase his faith so that it becomes knowledge? Not by sitting back and waiting for God to do the work. God has provided us with all that we need to complete the work in us. Alone we cannot do it, but our involvement by our continued effort and surrender, He will not complete the task for us. What is the remaining cost? Once we have the Spirit we have the means to endure to the end... but it is still up to us.

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field." Matt 13:44

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Rom 12:1
 

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I suppose this passage doesn't apply to BACs either ...

Revelation 21:
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2 categories: unbelieving ...and... believers

Sorry, I'm here to warn you that ALL of these passages apply to everyone!

Can BACs get away with a sinning lifestyle
whilst non-believers cannot get away with it?

How ludicrous!

Just because the churches are too cowardly to tell you the Truth,
does NOT mean that God's warnings don't exist in Scripture.
.

Hello @Zachery,

I don't know what BAC stands for, I'm afraid.

No true believer will consciously engage in sinful ways, for he seeks to please His heavenly Father.

It is necessary to consider just what is being said, within the context in which it comes, to whom and by whom etc.,

May God's perfect will be done.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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That does not change what I wrote nor what God is.

As to seals, they can be broken although it is not wise to do it and when it is time they should be broken by the proper person [the cook or his designated helper]. It can be done on purpose or by accident or by error during the canning process.

My mother canned fruits and vegetables for many years. During the winter or in bad seasons when there was no fresh fruit or vegetables from our trees and garden, she always had plenty to prepare for us from jars canned in previous good seasons. However, sometimes there was a bad jar where the seal had been broken before being opened to eat. The result of course was that the contents were inedible.

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Eph 4:30

We sealed by the Holy Spirit of God and the seal remains until we break it before our time is finished... that is before it is time for mama to cook the meal... that is when we have finished our course. Once the clean air and food on the inside is exposed to the outer air full living things, we would soon see the growth of things on the surface of the food that are poisonous to men.

"Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." II Cor 1:22

Earnest:
ajrrabwvn Arrhabon (ar-hrab-ohn');
Word Origin: Hebrew, Noun Masculine, Strong #: 728


  1. an earnest
    1. money which in purchases is given as a pledge or downpayment that the full amount will subsequently be paid
From Investopedia:
What is Earnest Money

Earnest money is a deposit made to a seller that represents a buyer's good faith to buy a home. The money gives the buyer extra time to get financing and conduct the title search, property appraisal and inspections before closing. In most cases, earnest money is delivered when the sales contract or purchase agreement is signed, but it can also be attached to the offer. Once deposited, the funds are typically held in an escrow account until closing, at which time the deposit is applied to the buyer’s down payment and closing costs.

Earnest money is also known as an escrow deposit or good faith money.

We, not God or Jesus, are the buyers. The earnest of the Spirit was placed in our hearts for us as an advance from God, but then we must go from faith to faith to come up with the balance owed by us. How does one increase his faith so that it becomes knowledge? Not by sitting back and waiting for God to do the work. God has provided us with all that we need to complete the work in us. Alone we cannot do it, but our involvement by our continued effort and surrender, He will not complete the task for us. What is the remaining cost? Once we have the Spirit we have the means to endure to the end... but it is still up to us.

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field." Matt 13:44

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Rom 12:1
'In Whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
.. being predestinated according to the purpose of Him
.... Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will:
That we should be to the praise of His glory,
.. who first trusted in Christ.
In whom ye also trusted,
.. after that ye heard the word of truth,
.... the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed,
.. ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
....Which is the earnest of our inheritance
......
until the redemption of the purchased possession,
........ unto the praise of His glory.'
(Eph 1:11-14)

Hello @Amedeus,

With respect, what you write in no way represents what is written in Ephesians. I am sad to see you use it in this way.

'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
.. but that which is good to the use of edifying,
.... that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
..
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
.. be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another,
.. tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
.... even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'

(Ephesians 4:29-32)

Praise God! - For His Word, which is Truth.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

'What?
.. know ye not
.... that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost
...... which is in you,
........
which ye have of God,
.......... and ye are not your own?

For ye are bought with a price:
therefore glorify God in your body,
and in your spirit,
which are God's.

(1 Cor 6:19-20)
 
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'In Whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
.. being predestinated according to the purpose of Him
.... Who worketh all things after the counsel of His Own will:
That we should be to the praise of His glory,
.. who first trusted in Christ.
In whom ye also trusted,
.. after that ye heard the word of truth,
.... the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed,
.. ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
....Which is the earnest of our inheritance
......
until the redemption of the purchased possession,
........ unto the praise of His glory.'
(Eph 1:11-14)

Hello @Amedeus,

With respect, what you write in no way represents what is written in Ephesians. I am sad to see you use it in this way.

'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
.. but that which is good to the use of edifying,
.... that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
..
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
.. be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another,
.. tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
.... even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'

(Ephesians 4:29-32)

Praise God! - For His Word, which is Truth.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Sorry you did not understand or accept what I said. I won't attempt to explain further as my correct words, when they are correct, come from God. When they are in error, then they are mine. He, when it comes down to it, is the only one who corrects a persons errors if and when that person surrenders to Him when it the right time. Sometimes He uses people to implement such corrections.

Give God the glory!
 

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Sorry you did not understand or accept what I said. I won't attempt to explain further as my correct words, when they are correct, come from God. When they are in error, then they are mine. He, when it comes down to it, is the only one who corrects a persons errors if and when that person surrenders to Him when it the right time. Sometimes He uses people to implement such corrections.

Give God the glory!

* You do not glorify God in your post.

You are in error, I have no hesitation in saying so.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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* You do not glorify God in your post.

You are in error, I have no hesitation in saying so.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Of course it must appear that way since my understanding does not line up with yours. This is the way it frequently happens with people...

"All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits." Prov 16:2

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5
 

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Of course it must appear that way since my understanding does not line up with yours. This is the way it frequently happens with people...

"All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits." Prov 16:2

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5

Hello @amadeus,

Your sanctimoniousness does you no credit. It is the Word of God which calls your interpretation to account, not myself.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Hello @amadeus,

Your sanctimoniousness does you no credit. It is the Word of God which calls your interpretation to account, not myself.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Sanctimonious? I surely and sincerely do hope not. I really did not presume to say that I was right while you were in error. Of course, I believe that I am right as does each person or if he were honest and could he would change, would he not?

Do you like some [many?] on this forum insist that you are right in any disagreement with anyone? I certainly strive Not do that myself... but I too am man who has very often erred. Over the years that I have strived to serve God, I have been corrected more than once so as to head more directly toward that Light... that is closer to God. What I do know is that still I continue to fall short of His glory very often indeed... but...

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." I John 3:2-3


Would you condemn every person who has not seen the pathway to God to precisely as you have seen it?

Give God the glory!
 

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I suppose this passage doesn't apply to BACs either ...

Revelation 21:
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2 categories: unbelieving ...and... believers

Sorry, I'm here to warn you that ALL of these passages apply to everyone!

Can BACs get away with a sinning lifestyle
whilst non-believers cannot get away with it?

How ludicrous!

Just because the churches are too cowardly to tell you the Truth,
does NOT mean that God's warnings don't exist in Scripture.
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John 3:29
“And the next day he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.”

John 3:15-18
“that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

John 10:28:30
and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. and the Father are one.”

Romans 8:38-39
"Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Just as it is written, “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Ephesians 1:13-14
"In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory."
 
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