What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

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One of the problematic aspects of Mormonism is their beliefs and practices pertaining to secret temple rituals. Lynn and her husband became very acquainted with them during their many years as temple-worthy Mormons. I appreciate Lynn’s very clear, precise explanation of these rituals.

***Please note that I have obtained written permission from the author to quote her work.

The following excerpts are from Chapter 5 of Unveiling Grace: the Story of How We Found Our Way out of the Mormon Church by Dr. Lynn Wilder:

Temple visits were also a crucial piece of the LDS activity puzzle. One could visit the temple only with a temple recommend, earned from a worthiness interview with a member of the bishopric. (Adults also had to pass a second worthiness interview — same questions — with a member of the stake presidency.) Temple recommend questions for adults include whether one sustains the Mormon prophet as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys.​

The leaders ask whether one is a full-tithe payer, keeps the Word of Wisdom (the LDS health code), and attends sacrament and other meetings. They ask if one supports, is affiliated with, or agrees with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The three members of the bishopric and also of the stake presidency can give or refuse to give the temple recommend, based on one’s answers to the temple recommend questions or just because they feel it is Heavenly Father’s will. (8)​

Priesthood leaders challenged families with a temple recommend to attend the temple twice a year, so Mike and I traveled to the Washington D.C. Temple until the Chicago Temple opened in 1985. The many church members who were not temple worthy understood that they would be relegated to the middle of three heavens, the place where the Christians also live after this life, the terrestrial kingdom. Here Jesus would visit but the Father would never go (D&C 76). For many, this sufficed. Attending the temple, however, could allow one to attain the highest celestial kingdom. And if parents were sealed together in the temple, they could go to the highest rung of that kingdom, living as families (with at least one wife) and procreating spirit children forever, even reaching godhood.​

We had made our first temple visit back in March of 1979, when we received the ordinances for our own exaltation and eternal progression. That experience was quite disturbing. After entry and examination of our recommends, Mike and I were ushered to a counter where we paid to rent temple clothes. Next we were accompanied to gender-separate locker rooms. I was instructed to remove all of my clothes in an individual curtained booth and to put on the shield. The shield is like a thick white hospital gown that has a circular cutout for the head and is open on both sides under the arms.​

I proceeded to the location where the ordinances would take place and entered an area partitioned into four parts approximately four feet by four feet, separated by white curtains. The first was a holding area, the second the washing area, the third the anointing area, and the fourth the area where I was to be dressed in the undergarment of the holy priesthood from my shoulders to my knees.​

A female temple worker invited me from the holding area into the second partitioned area, where she touched various parts of my body with her index finger dipped in water for the washing, and then sealed the washing when she, now joined by a second female worker, placed hands on my head, repeating memorized words to seal the washing.​

In the third area, the second worker dipped her finger in oil for the anointing and touched various body parts (forehead, ears, eyes, nose, mouth, neck, shoulders, back, breast, sides, stomach, arms, hands, vitals and bowels, legs, and feet) as she repeated the scripted ordinance. (The frequent touching of body parts — which I found unsettling — was removed from the washing and anointing in 2005.) Then the anointing with oil was sealed by the second worker and a new worker who had just appeared, repeating scripted words.​

Finally, I was moved by the third temple worker to the last partitioned area and told to step into the undergarment of the holy priesthood, which, if I were true to my temple covenants, would be a physical and spiritual “shield and a protection,” the ordinance proclaimed, “until my work on earth was finished.” Of course, I hadn’t received the covenants yet. They came in the ensuing endowment ceremony, so I didn’t know yet what I needed to be faithful to.​

I returned to the dressing area and removed the shield but kept the garments on. Then I dressed in a long slip and a white to-the-ankle and to-the-wrist dress, socks, and slippers from my rented packet and took the rest of the packet with me for the endowment ceremony. Everything was white except for the green fig-leaf apron I would don during the endowment ceremony.​

Next I moved to a booth at the edge of the locker room to receive my worker-whispered new name, the one my righteous priesthood-holder husband would have to remember so he could call me up during the resurrection of my dead body in the future. I exited to a hallway and walked to a chapel room to await the endowment ceremony. Here Mike and I sat together, waiting along with others, listening as the organist played LDS hymns.​

At the appointed time, a group of about thirty of us was escorted to one of the several endowment rooms with theater-like seats. Men sat on the right side as we entered the room, women on the left. We were invited to withdraw if we did not wish to make the covenants in the endowment. The problem was we didn’t know what they were yet! Then an instructional movie was started and stopped by a male officiator and his female counterpart. We added pieces of clothing from our packets, as we were instructed, and the women veiled their faces as we learned the true order of prayer. We agreed to “suffer our lives to be taken” if we revealed the Masonic-like tokens with their accompanying names, signs, and penalties. Verbal acknowledgment of ensuing death penalties for revealing aspects of the tokens were removed by the LDS first presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) from the temple ceremony in 1990, but every time we went to the temple after 1990, we remembered them at the appropriate place in the ceremony.​

The instruction included several covenants and clothing additions from the packet. With the white robe of the holy priesthood on my right shoulder on top of my white dress, with my green fig-leaf apron and white sash around my waist on top of the robe, and with a veil on my head but not over my face except during the true order of prayer, I was ready for the final covenant, called the law of consecration. A man represented the apostle Peter.​

Peter: “You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in this [the officiator holds up a copy], the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion. Each of you bow your head and say ‘yes.’ ”(9)​

I did not realize it at the time, but I had just dedicated myself, my time, my money, my future children, and everything I had or would have to the earthly organization of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Mormon Church held my life in its hands. Like the medieval feudal system, in which the master owned even one’s excrement for fertilizer, I belonged to the Mormon Church. Any good works I might do would be credited to what I believed was the Lord’s true church.​

During the endowment ceremony the character playing Lucifer in the movie (in the Salt Lake Temple, the players are live) looked right at us and warned, “If they do not walk up to every covenant they make at these altars in this temple this day, they will be in my power!” I did not want that.​

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Continued from last post.

Michael and I did love each other, and I had to smile as tears welled up in his eyes when we were sealed.

Each time we returned to the temple after that initial visit, we received the same ordinances by proxy for someone who was dead. In other words, we went through the temple ordinances in place of a person who was dead, in their name, so he or she could accept or reject the ordinances of baptism, washing and anointing, the endowment, and marriage sealing wherever they were in the afterlife (paradise or spirit prison). This was their chance to hear and accept the Mormon gospel, in case they had not heard it while alive, so they could progress to the highest rung of the celestial kingdom. I could bring names of my dead ancestors who needed their work done, or the temple would provide me with names from lists submitted by people doing genealogy.

A few years later, Mike and I were called to serve as ordinance workers in the Chicago Temple. We did not work there full-time, but we served in whatever capacity they needed us to serve in when our local ward and others traveled to Chicago. In this capacity, I memorized the words of every temple ordinance and rotated through every role someone could play in the temple…. And so we led the perfect Mormon life, attending services, volunteering for the church in a myriad of ways, and visiting the temple at least twice a year.

Wilder, Lynn K.. Unveiling Grace (pp. 69-74). Zondervan. Kindle Edition.
Footnotes:

8. For more on the temple recommend questions, see Ex-Mormon Christians United for Jesus, “An Open Letter to Glenn Beck about His Mormon Faith,” www.exmormonchristiansunited.com/an-open-letter-to-glenn-beck-about-his-mormon-faith/, or see Michael and Lynn Wilder, 7 Reasons We Left Mormonism (ATRI, 2012), www.lightsource.com/ministry/ankerberg-show/download-buy/current-series-offers/7-reasons-we-left-mormonism.html.​

9. The Law of Consecration, The Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony, The Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony.​

10. One of the church manuals quoted on the LDS website explains it like this: “To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done. People who are not married in the temple may live in other parts of the celestial kingdom, but they will not be exalted.” See The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gospel Fundamentals (2002), 201,
www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=12a3cb7a29c20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD.​

Wilder, Lynn K.. Unveiling Grace (pp. 363-364). Zondervan. Kindle Edition.
 
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Would you be comfortable telling what is you denomination?
Why would that make me uncomfortable? As I've state before, I've attended churches from many different denominations. At present, I am nondenominational. By that, I mean that I see the denominations as being a big problem for Christianity. The Church, all believers in the body of Christ, is not to be split up according to pet denominational doctrines.
 
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In the OP I stated that Mormonism is "based on what Paul called unsubstantiated 'myths.'"

The following excerpt is from Chapter 21 of Unveiling Grace: the Story of How We Found Our Way out of the Mormon Church by Dr. Lynn Wilder:


In 2012, Michael and I traveled to the land of Israel and into the West Bank. There we saw the ruins of Shechem, Samaria, Dan, the City of David, Jerusalem, and the walls of Jericho. We saw pottery, swords, utensils, coins, furniture, clothing, homes, scrolls, columns, streets, and ancient synagogues and “high places.” The mountains, valleys, bodies of water, and geography of the Bible are accurate. More than five thousand existing manuscripts have been found throughout Europe, Asia, and Africa that corroborate the historicity and accuracy of the Bible.

In contrast, Joseph Smith “translated” the Book of Mormon from one set of “gold plates,” and those plates no longer exist where one can see them. The geography of the Book of Mormon has not been located, at least the Mormon Church has no official position. There is no DNA evidence that ties Book of Mormon descendants with Israelites as the Book of Mormon teaches. Historical, physical, and geographical evidence does not exist. Mormons are asked by their leaders to believe the authenticity of the Book of Mormon by faith, not by scientific evidence.

Wilder, Lynn K.. Unveiling Grace (pp. 324-325). Zondervan. Kindle Edition.

I have been all over the world but I have not been to Israel. I would like that very much. Of course no one here is questioning the authenticity of the Bible. Much of the Mormon beliefs are internal and they have a few books....and that is what they choose to believe. And I have already pointed out that fundamentalism has it pluses and minuses.
 

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I have been all over the world but I have not been to Israel. I would like that very much. Of course no one here is questioning the authenticity of the Bible. Much of the Mormon beliefs are internal and they have a few books....and that is what they choose to believe. And I have already pointed out that fundamentalism has it pluses and minuses.
The point is that Mormonism makes claims that cannot be substantiated historically or archaeologically, and their theology rests on these claims.
 

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The point is that Mormonism makes claims that cannot be substantiated historically or archaeologically, and their theology rests on these claims.


Their claims…..Good morning.
Fundamentalism has a tendency to bind you between the covers. How can a person that is a fundamentalist respond to or understand all the divine activity that has happen over the last 2000 years. The Trinity is surely more active than any human could be. So you are left with denying that activity or ridiculing that activity. I am sure you know that those in the New Testament were living in the last days….not really even months. If Christ would have returned a century after the Bible, fundamentalism would be more practical. As it is, it really did not give any instruction on what to expect for 2000 years….so most fundamentalists expect nothing to happen.

Also as a funny, we know another religion that is fundamentalist, they are called Jews, and they look at the New Testament pretty much the same way as you look at the books of the Mormons. Things in context, things in perspective, big bubble instead of little bubble.
 

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Continued from last post.

Michael and I did love each other, and I had to smile as tears welled up in his eyes when we were sealed.

Each time we returned to the temple after that initial visit, we received the same ordinances by proxy for someone who was dead. In other words, we went through the temple ordinances in place of a person who was dead, in their name, so he or she could accept or reject the ordinances of baptism, washing and anointing, the endowment, and marriage sealing wherever they were in the afterlife (paradise or spirit prison). This was their chance to hear and accept the Mormon gospel, in case they had not heard it while alive, so they could progress to the highest rung of the celestial kingdom. I could bring names of my dead ancestors who needed their work done, or the temple would provide me with names from lists submitted by people doing genealogy.

A few years later, Mike and I were called to serve as ordinance workers in the Chicago Temple. We did not work there full-time, but we served in whatever capacity they needed us to serve in when our local ward and others traveled to Chicago. In this capacity, I memorized the words of every temple ordinance and rotated through every role someone could play in the temple…. And so we led the perfect Mormon life, attending services, volunteering for the church in a myriad of ways, and visiting the temple at least twice a year.

Wilder, Lynn K.. Unveiling Grace (pp. 69-74). Zondervan. Kindle Edition.
Footnotes:

8. For more on the temple recommend questions, see Ex-Mormon Christians United for Jesus, “An Open Letter to Glenn Beck about His Mormon Faith,” www.exmormonchristiansunited.com/an-open-letter-to-glenn-beck-about-his-mormon-faith/, or see Michael and Lynn Wilder, 7 Reasons We Left Mormonism (ATRI, 2012), www.lightsource.com/ministry/ankerberg-show/download-buy/current-series-offers/7-reasons-we-left-mormonism.html.​

9. The Law of Consecration, The Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony, The Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony.​

10. One of the church manuals quoted on the LDS website explains it like this: “To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done. People who are not married in the temple may live in other parts of the celestial kingdom, but they will not be exalted.” See The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gospel Fundamentals (2002), 201,
www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=12a3cb7a29c20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD.​

Wilder, Lynn K.. Unveiling Grace (pp. 363-364). Zondervan. Kindle Edition.


Secrets….the mystery of Christianity. Where do Christians get their dislike for secrets?
1st Corinthans 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world until our glory:

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of glory of this mystery among the Gentiles which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

We read about Melchizedek and mysteries in the scriptures. The word mystery / mysteries, appears 27 times in the New Testament. And one big secret. Christians as a whole do not like mysteries or secrets. Where do you thinking they get that?

We read about Melchizedek in the Old Testament. Genesis 14:18 Psalms 110:4

Then in Hebrews we find that Christ Himself is a High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek. The Order of Melchizedek is not mentioned anywhere else in the Bible. The Order of Melchizedek does not show up in secular history. By definition of a secret society this is it. The Order of Melchizedek is a secret society, and behind that veil of secrecies you can bet that there is a secret history. A God, our God, part of a secret society, does anybody know what that is about? This point is near to ignored because there is no information on it, and God Himself kept that secret.
 

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I believe can be trusted regarding what LDS TEACH because she was entrusted by LDS to teach at an exclusive LDS seminary, teaching Bible at an LDS University in an LDS stronghold and LDS state. I think that qualifies her as being reliable
Except that:
1) BYU isn't seminary at all. LDS Christians don't even have what a Protestant would call a seminary (LDS "seminary" is something different).
2) BYU isn't remotely exclusive and does welcome non-LDS folks there, including as tenured professors.
3) She was a professor of Counseling Psychology and Special Education, not any theological basis.
4) She neglected to tell you that.
5) And gps doesn't remotely count as credential for authority.


Now.. why do you trust her?
 
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In the OP I stated that Mormonism is "based on what Paul called unsubstantiated 'myths.'"
Where in the Bible does it say that "test for Truthfulness by asking ex-members of a faith?"
Where does it say "and an archeologist will reveal the Truth to you!"
And where is my archeological proof starting right at the beginning of the Bible? Not only non-existent, but contradictory.
Where is my archeological proof that this Jesus dude is the Only Begotten Son of God? Or that there even is a God? Not non-existent.
The point is that Mormonism makes claims that cannot be substantiated historically or archaeologically, and their theology rests on these claims.
And neither can Protestant beliefs!

Prayer Warrior, I'm trying to talk to you logically, but there's no logical ground to be had because you haven't tested things and developed a logical epistemological framework. You've demonstrated a completely lack of interest in doing so, obtaining better information. This is whole thing boils down to your repeating hearsay because it confirms your preexisting bias. Which, you can do. But I can't remotely take such seriously.
 

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Hi, JD,

Are you familiar with the fallacy of logic called ad hominem?

From Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

ad hominem
adjective
ad ho·mi·nem | \ (ˈ)ad-ˈhä-mə-ˌnem , -nəm\
Definition of ad hominem
(Entry 1 of 2)

1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made: made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival​

I've noticed that you've engaged in this fallacy quite a bit in this thread. Not that we shouldn't consider the source, but when we engage in character assassination in place of refuting what the person is saying, that's a big fallacy.

It would be nice to see less ad hominem attacks and more doctrinal refutations in your posts. Just a suggestion. :)
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Hi, JD,

Are you familiar with the fallacy called ad hominem?

From Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

ad hominem
adjective
ad ho·mi·nem | \ (ˈ)ad-ˈhä-mə-ˌnem , -nəm\
Definition of ad hominem
(Entry 1 of 2)

1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made: made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival​

I've noticed that you've engaged in this fallacy quite a bit in this thread. Not that we shouldn't consider the source, but when we engage in character assassination in place of refuting what the person is saying, that's a big fallacy.

It would be nice to see less ad hominem attacks and more doctrinal refutations in your posts. Just a suggestion. :)
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What logic is there to be had here?

I have repeatedly asked for you to demonstrated some, you have not and just continued to use the same flawed methods. I also have refuted many points just to be ignored. You just keep repeating the same hearsay. There is no logic when conversing with you here.
 

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Secrets….the mystery of Christianity. Where do Christians get their dislike for secrets?
1st Corinthans 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world until our glory:

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of glory of this mystery among the Gentiles which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

We read about Melchizedek and mysteries in the scriptures. The word mystery / mysteries, appears 27 times in the New Testament. And one big secret. Christians as a whole do not like mysteries or secrets. Where do you thinking they get that?

We read about Melchizedek in the Old Testament. Genesis 14:18 Psalms 110:4

Then in Hebrews we find that Christ Himself is a High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek. The Order of Melchizedek is not mentioned anywhere else in the Bible. The Order of Melchizedek does not show up in secular history. By definition of a secret society this is it. The Order of Melchizedek is a secret society, and behind that veil of secrecies you can bet that there is a secret history. A God, our God, part of a secret society, does anybody know what that is about? This point is near to ignored because there is no information on it, and God Himself kept that secret.

I don't have a problem with God's mysteries or God keeping "secrets" from us humans. God has revealed Himself, but we don't know everything there is to know about God. In 1 Cor. 13, Paul said that now we know in part....

However, I have a big problem with churches hiding any of their doctrines or ordinances from anyone. As I said before, I have never attended a church that did this. I would think that it was bizarre if I found out that a church I was attending did this, and I would stop attending.
 
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Prayer Warrior, I'm trying to talk to you logically, but there's no logical ground to be had because you haven't tested things and developed a logical epistemological framework. You've demonstrated a completely lack of interest in doing so, obtaining better information. This is whole thing boils down to your repeating hearsay because it confirms your preexisting bias. Which, you can do. But I can't remotely take such seriously.

JD, I have a question for you. You say that you're a temple-worthy Mormon. (Please correct me if I haven't stated this just right.) If Lynn's experience with the temple ordinances is "hearsay," why don't you tell us about your experience with the temple ordinances. Have you participated in the temple endowment ceremony? Have you baptized for the dead? I'm interested to hear about your experiences.
 

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The point is that Mormonism makes claims that cannot be substantiated historically or archaeologically, and their theology rests on these claims.
You will never convince someone who is ensnared in a cult to admit that they need to come out of it. This applies across the board, and it doe not matter how many Scriptures are presented.
 

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I don't have a problem with God's mysteries or God keeping "secrets" from us humans. In 1 Cor. 13, Paul said that now we know in part....

However, I have a big problem with churches hiding any of their doctrines or ordinances from anyone. As I said before, I have never attended a church that did this. I would think that it was bizarre if I found out that a church I was attending did this, and I would stop attending.

That I understand.
 
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You will never convince someone who is ensnared in a cult to admit that they need to come out of it. This applies across the board, and it doe not matter how many Scriptures are presented.
I realize that there is spiritual blindness. But we can speak the truth and pray!
 

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You will never convince someone who is ensnared in a cult to admit that they need to come out of it. This applies across the board, and it doe not matter how many Scriptures are presented.
I believe what I do BECAUSE of scripture and God.
 

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I realize that there is spiritual blindness. But we can speak the truth and pray!
And by “truth” you mean illogical hypocritical witch hunts that ignore the facts? And treating people like objects rather than disciples of Christ?

Cause I’m really sick of that type of “truth” and “love”.
 
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And by “truth” you mean illogical hypocritical witch hunts that ignore the facts? And treating people like objects rather than disciples of Christ?

Cause I’m really sick of that type of “truth” and “love”.
I agree that there needs to be a lot more love.... :(
 
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