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Yeah, I have come to differentiate between "mysteries" and "mysticism," but this is my take on it. Paul talks about a mystery he was given.

Ephesians 3:1-6--For this reason, I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles — you have heard, haven’t you, about the administration of God’s grace that He gave to me for you? The mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have briefly written above. By reading this you are able to understand my insight about the mystery of the Messiah. This was not made known to people in other generations as it is now revealed to His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit: The Gentiles are co-heirs, members of the same body, and partners of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Paul also mentions the mystery of the union between a husband and wife being like Christ and the church in Ephesians 5. So, there are "Christian mystics" who base their beliefs on this verse.

The problem that I have with mysticism in general is that I believe the underlying premises is that we humans are divine or that we are God in some way. To me, this smacks of the original temptation where the serpent told Eve that she would be like God. I believe that we partake of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), but that we are not, and never will be, God in any way.

I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but this relates to the OP because the belief in human divinity is central to the teachings of Freemasonry. Hope this makes sense.
And this harmonises with the concept of becoming gods in the sense we are discussing re Mormons.
 
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You would think we would all get tired of reacting to various supposedly "evil" trigger words. But it doesn't seem to ever happen.
I believe the men we celebrate that visited Christ a couple of years after His birth were "Mystics."
They were indeed. And the Chaldean visitors to Hezekiah who were wondering at the standing still of the sun, a miracle they wanted to understand but to them a mystery. Hezekiah had a great opportunity to testify to the glory of the Israel God but blew it. How many times do we pass up opportunities because we see these inquisitive "mystics" as the enemy to impress with our greater knowledge and spiritual wisdom rather than simply testifying to how God has worked in our lives.
 

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Yeah, we met on Christian Forums, and I followed you over here to CB. We had a conversation going for a while. My life got a little messy last spring, and I took a break. I had some problems with my oldest, and my father died.... Life happens, right?

I understand taking a break. How is your oldest doing now? Is it drugs if you want to share? They're pouring into the country and I read the statistics of 72,000 dying in one year. I can't tell you how many I knew from Little League - fresh faced, freckled boys that are so cute - wound up in an early grave. Fortunately many survived. I don't know how anyone can raise a Christian in today's poisoned society. A friend's daughter is a school counselor and she told me what problems kids are having today and it's so sad. It's not the youth it's the culture. If you get a chance read Vigilant Citizen and you'll see how Hollyweird is poisoning the young people.

It's always hard to lose a parent - I hope your dad was older and didn't suffer.
 

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I understand taking a break. How is your oldest doing now? Is it drugs if you want to share? They're pouring into the country and I read the statistics of 72,000 dying in one year. I can't tell you how many I knew from Little League - fresh faced, freckled boys that are so cute - wound up in an early grave. Fortunately many survived. I don't know how anyone can raise a Christian in today's poisoned society. A friend's daughter is a school counselor and she told me what problems kids are having today and it's so sad. It's not the youth it's the culture. If you get a chance read Vigilant Citizen and you'll see how Hollyweird is poisoning the young people.

It's always hard to lose a parent - I hope your dad was older and didn't suffer.
No, not drugs, other stuff.

I agree. It's so difficult for kids these days. It's a miracle that any of them make it. There are so many horrible influences these day, but God is greater!

Thanks for the condolences. My dad was older, and he went very peacefully, thank God!
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I've heard that too, the 13 bloodlines from the evil ones. I believe Genesis, chapter 6:4-6 "
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." discusses "giants in the earth", aka the Nephilim.

And why wouldn't there be "royal" bloodlines under the evil one? It seems to work as far as a heirarchal methodology of those under their control (meaning the concept of kingdoms, kings & queens, rulers, and ruled), and stems from God Himself (meaning God came up with the concepts of kingdoms and kingships). Plus their leader is known as a "prince" (Ephesians 2:2 "Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience").

Not to mention this system is found all the way to the end, in the book of Revelation, where there are ten kings who give power unto the beast: Revelation 17:12 "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.". So if it's found at the end, that system must've started at some point...

You think the 13 families descended from the Nephilim? I wondered where these "royal bloodlines" came from. I read - unsure if it's accurate - that they're born psychopaths - without a conscience. Bush and Cheney have to be without conscience or have a badly seared conscience to commit 9-11.

You know more about this topic than I and I'm going to look into it. I never understood about the Nephilim. I used to listen to Revelations on tape but am now reading through it slowly. I brought it up to the pastor at our bible study about the Vatican being the antichrist and he dismissed it and said some people think that. I'm leaning towards it being true because it fits. I believe that God led me into a study of it but I know that I have to wait on light from God to be able to understand it all, although I do believe that we learn from teachers and one another.

It's interesting to note that NY Fire Commissioners are questioning the 9-11 narrative:

New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: "Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives"


Chuck Baldwin just had something interesting to say:

Making Israel And Saudi Arabia Great
By Chuck Baldwin
September 19, 2019

Ever since Donald Trump took office, he has done everything he could do to enable, empower, enrich, exalt, enhance, enlarge, extol and excuse the two biggest terror states in the world: Israel and Saudi Arabia.

He has provided hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of foreign aid and military hardware and munitions to both Saudi Arabia and Israel.

He has defended and assisted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's genocides—and acts of persecution—against virtually the entire Palestinian population. To give you some perspective, Netanyahu and his Zionist predecessors have murdered over 5 million Palestinians. And they could not have accomplished this horrific Palestinian holocaust without America’s—including Donald Trump’s—help.

He has defended Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud and his son Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud's murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. He has defended and ASSISTED these Wahhabi wackos as they have murdered 56,000 people by bombs and small arms fire (supplied by the United States, of course); 2,500 civilians have died from cholera; and over three million innocent people have been displaced. Trump’s assistance of Saudi Arabia’s brutal and unconscionable war has created the greatest humanitarian crisis in the 21st century, with 10 million innocent Yemeni people slowly starving to death as we speak. With Trump's help, the House of Saud has already killed over 85,000 children under 5 years of age in Yemen.

But, then again, as long as tyrants stay on Donald Trump’s smiley side, there is hardly one that Trump doesn’t like—no matter how bloodthirsty they are. Of course, we all heard Trump say that Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Sisi is his “favorite dictator.”

Abdel Fattah Sisi is one of the most cruel, bloodthirsty men in the world. His torture and acts of barbarism against the Egyptian people who run afoul of his ruthless regime are so horrific that it is difficult for ordinary people to even comprehend. But Donald Trump loves him and calls him his “favorite.”

I agree with Joe Walsh that Donald Trump is a would-be dictator. I am absolutely convinced that Trump has the heart of a stone-cold, ruthless, vengeful tyrant. He loves power in the way that any barbarous, bloodthirsty butcher you’ve ever read about loves power.

Trump has used the U.S. military to carry out bombing raids, drone attacks and ground troop operations on behalf of these two foreign countries, especially Israel. For all intents and purposes, the U.S. military is little more than a proxy army for Israel.

And now after Saudi oil fields were attacked by drones, Donald Trump said he is waiting on his "Saudi masters" (Tulsi Gabbard's words—and good ones) to tell him "under what terms we should proceed."

What business is it of ours to fight Saudi Arabia and Israel's wars? Since when does the President of The United States take his marching orders from foreign countries? I’ll tell you since when. Since at least 1967, when President Lyndon Johnson assisted Israel’s attack against the USS LIBERTY and then helped Israel cover it up.

If you don’t believe that the United States is a puppet state for Israel, watch this video of Benjamin Netanyahu privately bragging about it. Notice that he also mocks the stupidity of the American people (which goes triple for America’s Christian people) for being so easily duped and manipulated by Israel.

Trump acknowledged that we don't even need Saudi oil. So, pray tell, why does Trump need instructions from Saudi Arabia? It's because Trump is not his own man. He was never his own man. All of his bellicose rhetoric is nothing more than theatrics to make people believe he is his own man. He’s not. He wasn’t even his own man when he was in private business. He was owned lock, stock and barrel by Zionists. And he still is. Who do you think bailed him out of SEVEN bankruptcies?

Donald Trump doesn't work for America. He works for foreign interests, just like every president since at least GHW Bush. But no U.S. president has ever groveled before the terrorist states of Saudi Arabia and Israel the way Trump grovels before them.
 
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Donald Trump is the biggest bootlicker to ever sleep in the second-floor bedroom of the White House (which is actually the third floor above ground) since…well, since it was built.

Gabbard nailed it when she said, "The U.S. is not Saudi Arabia's b**ch.” But under Donald Trump, that's exactly what America is. And Israel's.

RT.com has more:

Democratic presidential hopeful Tulsi Gabbard has doubled down on her attacks on President Donald Trump’s ‘disgraceful’ allegiance to Saudi Arabia, eviscerating his ‘betrayal’ of her fellow soldiers and the US Constitution.

Singling out Trump’s statement that the US was “locked and loaded” but “waiting to hear from the Kingdom … under what terms we would proceed,” Gabbard slammed the US president for “offering to place our military assets under the command of a foreign country.”

Gabbard called out the “betrayal of my brothers and sisters in uniform, the American people, and the Constitution” in a video posted to Twitter on Monday, reminding her Commander-in-Chief that she and her fellow soldiers took an oath to defend the Constitution - which doesn’t allow the president to offer up the country’s military on a silver platter to any foreign nation willing to pay for the privilege.

“We are not your prostitutes. You are not our pimp,” she said.

Amen, Tulsi.

Donald Trump is not making America great. He is making Israel and Saudi Arabia great. But this is just one more of Trump’s perversions of constitutional government that Christians and conservatives will choose to ignore.

P.S. My recent message, The Destruction of Jerusalem, just might be the most powerful message God has ever given me to preach in my 44+ years of pulpit ministry.

The destruction of Jerusalem is one of the most prophesied events in Holy Scripture. Scores of prophecies in both the Old and New Testaments point to the destruction of Jerusalem—including the prophecies of Jesus. Sadly, these prophecies are almost universally ignored by modern preachers—or totally misapplied. As a result, the vast majority of Christians know next to nothing of the destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred in 70 AD—exactly as Christ had predicted.

The great truths that God taught through this seismic event are all but lost to today's Christians. The lack of knowledge and understanding about the destruction of Jerusalem is a sign of the great "falling away" that has taken place in the Church over the past one hundred years. It is also a major cause of the vast misinterpretation of prophetic Scriptures relating to Israel.

Furthermore, the loss of these great truths contributes massively to the false doctrines of Christian Zionism being taught by the vast majority of evangelical churches today. Plus, it is no hyperbole to say that the false doctrines of Christian Zionism are directly responsible for the perpetual wars that are being carried out by the U.S. military on behalf of Israel.

The repudiation of the lessons taught in the destruction of Jerusalem has led to the deaths of multiplied millions of people all over the world and the perversion of the historic Christian faith that had been faithfully taught for 1800 years.
 
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I suspect, but cannot prove, Tubal-cain, a descendent of Cain, in Genesis 4:22 "And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.", is short for Tubaal. Hebrew "ba'al" and "ba'l" means "husband", "owner", "lord".

Interestingly, the feminine form, "ba'alah", which means "mistress" (female owner or wife) has the same suffix as "alah", as in "kabbalah"/cabal/cabaalah.

And, since "ba'alah" which means mistress in Hebrew, could've been used in "kabbalah", with an inclusion of "ba'al", and represents the "mystery Babylon" (Revelation 17:5 "5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.") discussed in the book of Revelation is linked back to:
-Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."
- Revelation 17:1-3 "
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." (who commits fornication with a "mistress", "ba'alah").

The more I thought on it the more I think you were right about 9-11 being some kind of sacrifice. I read that Masons are very big into numerology. It's interesting to note that Trump resides on the 33rd floor of Trump tower.

I'm not clear on everything yet but I think the great whore is supposed to be the Catholic church because of the way it turned from God?

I wondered about the verse "he carried me away in the Spirit" and what that means. I also questioned the meaning of "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day..." Both of those verses point to some special spiritual connection with Christ - and I wondered how to reach that if possible.
 
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Remember the Vineyard story ?

I'm sorry, there's a few of them, and I'm not seeing the parallel. Which Vineyard story, Matthew 20, Luke 20, or 1 Kings 21? I'm assuming 1 Kings 21, but I don't like to assume what you meant.
 

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No, not drugs, other stuff.

I agree. It's so difficult for kids these days. It's a miracle that any of them make it. There are so many horrible influences these day, but God is greater!

Thanks for the condolences. My dad was older, and he went very peacefully, thank God!
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It is a miracle that any of them make it - and I don't think that many make it to adulthood without being scarred by this culture/ world. I remember it was like trying to hold back the Niagara. I would not want to raise children in today's sick culture. I thought about making my own Christian town somewhere - something like how the Amish separate themselves. Establishing prayer in the schools - having a Christian school based on love not legalism. We passed through a town that a builder had begun but abandoned and I thought of looking into how to establish a town. It's a dream that I don't know will ever be fulfilled but I would love to do something like that. I want Mayberrry. If the Amish can do it, why not? I know all Christians still have sin in them but in a positive atmosphere I think that the good can be cultivated. I'd like to understand how the Amish do it. We've seen them at Amish markets and the girls at the counter look so clean - no heavy makeup, no tattoos, no piercings - like back in the 50's. I wonder if they don't allow TV, and how they educate the youth. Something they're doing is working.
 
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You think the 13 families descended from the Nephilim? I wondered where these "royal bloodlines" came from. I read - unsure if it's accurate - that they're born psychopaths - without a conscience. Bush and Cheney have to be without conscience or have a badly seared conscience to commit 9-11.

Not the giants/Nephilim directly, as they were destroyed in the flood. But the "sons of God", which already procreated with human women, likely procreated with human women again, reigniting the bloodlines of the satanic, which are now the "royal bloodlines" that exist today. In satan's earthly kingdom here, why wouldn't there by "royal" elite (given position and power in exchange for loyalty) that take their orders from the evil angels to adminstrate their rulership, and that control other humans (the rest of us)

You know more about this topic than I and I'm going to look into it. I never understood about the Nephilim. I used to listen to Revelations on tape but am now reading through it slowly. I brought it up to the pastor at our bible study about the Vatican being the antichrist and he dismissed it and said some people think that. I'm leaning towards it being true because it fits. I believe that God led me into a study of it but I know that I have to wait on light from God to be able to understand it all, although I do believe that we learn from teachers and one another.

As far as the giants/Nephilim, just because they're referred to as "giants", does not mean they were 50 feet tall. They could've been like taller people of today were or slightly larger, 6'5 to 7'5 people of today, from the point of view of "average" height and under (say 5'8 and under). Plus they were known as Genesis 6:2 "mighty men which were of old, men of renowned".

At the very least, I believe the pope is the false prophet of Revelation, the one who directs worship to the beast/antichrist.

It's interesting to note that NY Fire Commissioners are questioning the 9-11 narrative:

New York Fire Commissioners Call For new 9/11 Investigation: "Overwhelming Evidence Of Explosives"


Chuck Baldwin just had something interesting to say:

Making Israel And Saudi Arabia Great
By Chuck Baldwin
September 19, 2019

Ever since Donald Trump took office, he has done everything he could do to enable, empower, enrich, exalt, enhance, enlarge, extol and excuse the two biggest terror states in the world: Israel and Saudi Arabia.

He has provided hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of foreign aid and military hardware and munitions to both Saudi Arabia and Israel.

He has defended and assisted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's genocides—and acts of persecution—against virtually the entire Palestinian population. To give you some perspective, Netanyahu and his Zionist predecessors have murdered over 5 million Palestinians. And they could not have accomplished this horrific Palestinian holocaust without America’s—including Donald Trump’s—help.

He has defended Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud and his son Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud's murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. He has defended and ASSISTED these Wahhabi wackos as they have murdered 56,000 people by bombs and small arms fire (supplied by the United States, of course); 2,500 civilians have died from cholera; and over three million innocent people have been displaced. Trump’s assistance of Saudi Arabia’s brutal and unconscionable war has created the greatest humanitarian crisis in the 21st century, with 10 million innocent Yemeni people slowly starving to death as we speak. With Trump's help, the House of Saud has already killed over 85,000 children under 5 years of age in Yemen.

But, then again, as long as tyrants stay on Donald Trump’s smiley side, there is hardly one that Trump doesn’t like—no matter how bloodthirsty they are. Of course, we all heard Trump say that Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Sisi is his “favorite dictator.”

Abdel Fattah Sisi is one of the most cruel, bloodthirsty men in the world. His torture and acts of barbarism against the Egyptian people who run afoul of his ruthless regime are so horrific that it is difficult for ordinary people to even comprehend. But Donald Trump loves him and calls him his “favorite.”

I agree with Joe Walsh that Donald Trump is a would-be dictator. I am absolutely convinced that Trump has the heart of a stone-cold, ruthless, vengeful tyrant. He loves power in the way that any barbarous, bloodthirsty butcher you’ve ever read about loves power.

Trump has used the U.S. military to carry out bombing raids, drone attacks and ground troop operations on behalf of these two foreign countries, especially Israel. For all intents and purposes, the U.S. military is little more than a proxy army for Israel.

And now after Saudi oil fields were attacked by drones, Donald Trump said he is waiting on his "Saudi masters" (Tulsi Gabbard's words—and good ones) to tell him "under what terms we should proceed."

What business is it of ours to fight Saudi Arabia and Israel's wars? Since when does the President of The United States take his marching orders from foreign countries? I’ll tell you since when. Since at least 1967, when President Lyndon Johnson assisted Israel’s attack against the USS LIBERTY and then helped Israel cover it up.

If you don’t believe that the United States is a puppet state for Israel, watch this video of Benjamin Netanyahu privately bragging about it. Notice that he also mocks the stupidity of the American people (which goes triple for America’s Christian people) for being so easily duped and manipulated by Israel.

Trump acknowledged that we don't even need Saudi oil. So, pray tell, why does Trump need instructions from Saudi Arabia? It's because Trump is not his own man. He was never his own man. All of his bellicose rhetoric is nothing more than theatrics to make people believe he is his own man. He’s not. He wasn’t even his own man when he was in private business. He was owned lock, stock and barrel by Zionists. And he still is. Who do you think bailed him out of SEVEN bankruptcies?

Donald Trump doesn't work for America. He works for foreign interests, just like every president since at least GHW Bush. But no U.S. president has ever groveled before the terrorist states of Saudi Arabia and Israel the way Trump grovels before them.

Yeah, this could be the start of a war in the coming weeks/months... I just read that Trump has sent troops to Saudi Arabia already (I think it was yesterday that it was announced); probably not a lot of troops, but even just a few is too many.
 
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Donald Trump is the biggest bootlicker to ever sleep in the second-floor bedroom of the White House (which is actually the third floor above ground) since…well, since it was built.

Gabbard nailed it when she said, "The U.S. is not Saudi Arabia's b**ch.” But under Donald Trump, that's exactly what America is. And Israel's.

RT.com has more:

Democratic presidential hopeful Tulsi Gabbard has doubled down on her attacks on President Donald Trump’s ‘disgraceful’ allegiance to Saudi Arabia, eviscerating his ‘betrayal’ of her fellow soldiers and the US Constitution.

Singling out Trump’s statement that the US was “locked and loaded” but “waiting to hear from the Kingdom … under what terms we would proceed,” Gabbard slammed the US president for “offering to place our military assets under the command of a foreign country.”

Gabbard called out the “betrayal of my brothers and sisters in uniform, the American people, and the Constitution” in a video posted to Twitter on Monday, reminding her Commander-in-Chief that she and her fellow soldiers took an oath to defend the Constitution - which doesn’t allow the president to offer up the country’s military on a silver platter to any foreign nation willing to pay for the privilege.

“We are not your prostitutes. You are not our pimp,” she said.

Amen, Tulsi.

Donald Trump is not making America great. He is making Israel and Saudi Arabia great. But this is just one more of Trump’s perversions of constitutional government that Christians and conservatives will choose to ignore.

P.S. My recent message, The Destruction of Jerusalem, just might be the most powerful message God has ever given me to preach in my 44+ years of pulpit ministry.

The destruction of Jerusalem is one of the most prophesied events in Holy Scripture. Scores of prophecies in both the Old and New Testaments point to the destruction of Jerusalem—including the prophecies of Jesus. Sadly, these prophecies are almost universally ignored by modern preachers—or totally misapplied. As a result, the vast majority of Christians know next to nothing of the destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred in 70 AD—exactly as Christ had predicted.

The great truths that God taught through this seismic event are all but lost to today's Christians. The lack of knowledge and understanding about the destruction of Jerusalem is a sign of the great "falling away" that has taken place in the Church over the past one hundred years. It is also a major cause of the vast misinterpretation of prophetic Scriptures relating to Israel.

Furthermore, the loss of these great truths contributes massively to the false doctrines of Christian Zionism being taught by the vast majority of evangelical churches today. Plus, it is no hyperbole to say that the false doctrines of Christian Zionism are directly responsible for the perpetual wars that are being carried out by the U.S. military on behalf of Israel.

The repudiation of the lessons taught in the destruction of Jerusalem has led to the deaths of multiplied millions of people all over the world and the perversion of the historic Christian faith that had been faithfully taught for 1800 years.

It's weird timing with the election in Israel too. This situation could blow up quickly.
 

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The more I thought on it the more I think you were right about 9-11 being some kind of sacrifice. I read that Masons are very big into numerology. It's interesting to note that Trump resides on the 33rd floor of Trump tower.

I'm not clear on everything yet but I think the great whore is supposed to be the Catholic church because of the way it turned from God?

I wondered about the verse "he carried me away in the Spirit" and what that means. I also questioned the meaning of "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day..." Both of those verses point to some special spiritual connection with Christ - and I wondered how to reach that if possible.

I think the "great whore" is all of them not according to the NT, including the Catholic Church, from a human point-of-view.

I don't think one can "reach that" so to speak; I think that's God's power that enables that, as the verse specifies John the Revelator "was carried away" by a "he". I perceive "he" to be "He"/Jesus, and "carried me away in the Spirit" to be a vision.

Jesus chooses who; not us.
 

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Not the giants/Nephilim directly, as they were destroyed in the flood. But the "sons of God", which already procreated with human women, likely procreated with human women again, reigniting the bloodlines of the satanic, which are now the "royal bloodlines" that exist today. In satan's earthly kingdom here, why wouldn't there by "royal" elite (given position and power in exchange for loyalty) that take their orders from the evil angels to adminstrate their rulership, and that control other humans (the rest of us)



As far as the giants/Nephilim, just because they're referred to as "giants", does not mean they were 50 feet tall. They could've been like taller people of today were or slightly larger, 6'5 to 7'5 people of today, from the point of view of "average" height and under (say 5'8 and under). Plus they were known as Genesis 6:2 "mighty men which were of old, men of renowned".

At the very least, I believe the pope is the false prophet of Revelation, the one who directs worship to the beast/antichrist.



Yeah, this could be the start of a war in the coming weeks/months... I just read that Trump has sent troops to Saudi Arabia already (I think it was yesterday that it was announced); probably not a lot of troops, but even just a few is too many.

It makes sense since they're very big on "bloodlines." I thought that about the Nephilim - that they probably weren't true giants in the sense of being 50 feet - I had thought the same, that they were just unusually large - like the Nordics were supposed to be. I looked up the verse:

Numbers 13:31-33-31-33
But the others said, “We can’t attack those people; they’re way stronger than we are.” They spread scary rumors among the People of Israel. They said, “We scouted out the land from one end to the other—it’s a land that swallows people whole. Everybody we saw was huge. Why, we even saw the Nephilim giants (the Anak giants come from the Nephilim). Alongside them we felt like grasshoppers. And they looked down on us as if we were grasshoppers.”

I didn't recall ever reading about the "Anak giants" - it shows me how even after studying the bible for so many years, there is still much that I have to learn. But I learn this way as much as reading the bible - by iron sharpening iron.
 
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Not the giants/Nephilim directly, as they were destroyed in the flood. But the "sons of God", which already procreated with human women, likely procreated with human women again, reigniting the bloodlines of the satanic, which are now the "royal bloodlines" that exist today. In satan's earthly kingdom here, why wouldn't there by "royal" elite (given position and power in exchange for loyalty) that take their orders from the evil angels to adminstrate their rulership, and that control other humans (the rest of us)



As far as the giants/Nephilim, just because they're referred to as "giants", does not mean they were 50 feet tall. They could've been like taller people of today were or slightly larger, 6'5 to 7'5 people of today, from the point of view of "average" height and under (say 5'8 and under). Plus they were known as Genesis 6:2 "mighty men which were of old, men of renowned".

At the very least, I believe the pope is the false prophet of Revelation, the one who directs worship to the beast/antichrist.



Yeah, this could be the start of a war in the coming weeks/months... I just read that Trump has sent troops to Saudi Arabia already (I think it was yesterday that it was announced); probably not a lot of troops, but even just a few is too many.

I saw a relative by marriage come back from Iraq with problems, so I'm against all these wars. Trump said that he would stop them but it was a lie - he has continued them. They come back damaged and then taxpayers have to pay to support them the remainder of their lives. I know 3 young men on lifetime military support/ disability. It's a mess what has been done in this country.
 
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It makes sense since they're very big on "bloodlines." I thought that about the Nephilim - that they probably weren't true giants in the sense of being 50 feet - I had thought the same, that they were just unusually large - like the Nordics were supposed to be. I looked up the verse:

Numbers 13:31-33-31-33
But the others said, “We can’t attack those people; they’re way stronger than we are.” They spread scary rumors among the People of Israel. They said, “We scouted out the land from one end to the other—it’s a land that swallows people whole. Everybody we saw was huge. Why, we even saw the Nephilim giants (the Anak giants come from the Nephilim). Alongside them we felt like grasshoppers. And they looked down on us as if we were grasshoppers.”

I didn't recall ever reading about the "Anak giants" - it shows me how even after studying the bible for so many years, there is still much that I have to learn. But I learn this way as much as reading the bible - by iron sharpening iron.

They could be I suppose. Perhaps that's why the entrances to some really old buildings are really tall, such as Petra: Petra Entry Fees (look at how small those people are walking in the entrance!). Maybe the Anak/Nephilim giants were 50 feet tall afterall ;)
 

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The more I thought on it the more I think you were right about 9-11 being some kind of sacrifice. I read that Masons are very big into numerology. It's interesting to note that Trump resides on the 33rd floor of Trump tower.

I'm going to catch some insults for this I think, but it's not like that hasn't happened before around here: I think the 2017 Las Vegas attack/massacre was another one. It occured on October 1, during the Route 91 Harvest festival. If you take just those numbers, 91, and the 1st = 911.
 

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I'm sorry, there's a few of them, and I'm not seeing the parallel. Which Vineyard story, Matthew 20, Luke 20, or 1 Kings 21? I'm assuming 1 Kings 21, but I don't like to assume what you meant.
God gave them it to them and sent the prophets but they killed them all, so God Sent his Son.
I will look up the verse for you.
 
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I'm sorry, there's a few of them, and I'm not seeing the parallel. Which Vineyard story, Matthew 20, Luke 20, or 1 Kings 21? I'm assuming 1 Kings 21, but I don't like to assume what you meant.
Luke. all of Luke 20 or from Luke 20 :9-16 in the main, but all of 20.
This points to the Jews who rejected God and only fooled the people and led the Jewish people astray and why they lost the land, they killed Jesus, so that was it they were vomited out of the Land, God did this because they did as such.

What we have now is unrepentant so called Jews who have clawed their way back in through the back door and the true worthy Jews know this for a fact and that's why them truly devout Jews inform the world that the land now is not Israel at all in fact. but the Talmud and there Zionist fools make such foolish Gibberish and so it's only this mob of Satanist who came out telling the world that it is Israel ? and sadly they are slandering the word in fact. but people who do not understand the facts or are led astray by cunning Satanist, into swallowing and only believe that this land is Israel, when it's clearly not in fact.

Why don't people listen to the true Jews for crying out loud, and see the Talmud for the great whore that it truly is, of Satan in fact and a monumental bastard all through history of leading the Jews astray first and now the whole world swallows this filthy Whore.

The True devout learned Jews of the OT sure do want the land back and for it to truly be Israel for sure, but they are blinded, but they will come to Jesus Christ in time, but the Talmud sure as hell will not and all the so called Christians who support the Talmud are of Satan.
I know them by their works for they reject Jesus Christ and look to another that they claim is there so called Christ, who is an imposter that they are only idolising.
 

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I'm going to catch some insults for this I think, but it's not like that hasn't happened before around here: I think the 2017 Las Vegas attack/massacre was another one. It occured on October 1, during the Route 91 Harvest festival. If you take just those numbers, 91, and the 1st = 911.

There are many unanswered questions about that attack as well, and things are being hidden from the public. A CIA agent came out and said that every single attack was a false flag. Our own government is massacring people.
 
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Luke. all of Luke 20 or from Luke 20 :9-16 in the main, but all of 20.
This points to the Jews who rejected God and only fooled the people and led the Jewish people astray and why they lost the land, they killed Jesus, so that was it they were vomited out of the Land, God did this because they did as such.

What we have now is unrepentant so called Jews who have clawed their way back in through the back door and the true worthy Jews know this for a fact and that's why them truly devout Jews inform the world that the land now is not Israel at all in fact. but the Talmud and there Zionist fools make such foolish Gibberish and so it's only this mob of Satanist who came out telling the world that it is Israel ? and sadly they are slandering the word in fact. but people who do not understand the facts or are led astray by cunning Satanist, into swallowing and only believe that this land is Israel, when it's clearly not in fact.

Why don't people listen to the true Jews for crying out loud, and see the Talmud for the great whore that it truly is, of Satan in fact and a monumental bastard all through history of leading the Jews astray first and now the whole world swallows this filthy Whore.

The True devout learned Jews of the OT sure do want the land back and for it to truly be Israel for sure, but they are blinded, but they will come to Jesus Christ in time, but the Talmud sure as hell will not and all the so called Christians who support the Talmud are of Satan.
I know them by their works for they reject Jesus Christ and look to another that they claim is there so called Christ, who is an imposter that they are only idolising.

I wonder why so many are deceived about Israel. Many pastors still tell us to support Israel - but why don't many see that isn't the true Israel?
 
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