Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

BreadOfLife said:

I never said He was - but YOU'RE all over the place on this . . .

FIRST, you say that we MUST be water-baptized - which is something that I agree with you on.
You used John 3:5 as proof text, which is great.
HOWEVER - YOU have gone so far as to say that there are NO exceptions to the rule, so the Thief HAD to have gotten wet at some point.

So. I brought up the case of aborted babies - who have NEVER had the chance to be Baptized.
NOW, you say that they HAVE been baptized - but NOT with water.

Sooooooo, which is it??
Water or NO water??
Exceptions or NO exceptions??

Make up your mind already . . .

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No not at all.You are , and are a Liar.
"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." - G.K. Chesterton
Exposing anti-Catholic lies online for 15 years . . .
I've been exposing anti Christian lies for more than 27 years. I show no partiality and have exposed you right in your playground . Christ has no tolerance for those who deny His Word. There is a method to my foolishness it is the same as Paul's , I become like those as much as possible without sinning to bring people to the truth. Deny what you said , deny what Isaiah said, AGAIN, Call Christ a liar AGAIN.....

BreadOfLife said:

"LIKE rain" and actual rain are two different things.
There is not ONE SINGLE account - Biblical OR extrabiblical - that it rained at the Crucifixion.

It makes for a great scene in movies like "Ben-Hur" - but there is absolutely ZERO evidence for it.
So - YOU can continue to rave on about how "heretical" I and others are for not having the same wacky interpretations that spill out of your head - but that's on YOU, not us.

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LIAR! Heretic!

BreadOfLife said:

Apples and oranges.
There have ALWAYS been bad individuals within the Church - and there will be until the end of time (Matt. 7:15-23).

STUDY your Bible, dude . . .

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BreadOfLife said:

"LIKE rain" and actual rain are two different things.
There is not ONE SINGLE account - Biblical OR extrabiblical - that it rained at the Crucifixion.

It makes for a great scene in movies like "Ben-Hur" - but there is absolutely ZERO evidence for it.
So - YOU can continue to rave on about how "heretical" I and others are for not having the same wacky interpretations that spill out of your head - but that's on YOU, not us.

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It is according to His word ALWAYS heretic, not according to yours or any heretic's.

BOL is a liar and denies Christ's Word, Christ promises what He said about being born of the water and spirit no matter what Liars say. Anyone for the lie, is for satan, PERIOD!

BreadOfLife said:

"LIKE rain" and actual rain are two different things.
There is not ONE SINGLE account - Biblical OR extrabiblical - that it rained at the Crucifixion.

It makes for a great scene in movies like "Ben-Hur" - but there is absolutely ZERO evidence for it.
So - YOU can continue to rave on about how "heretical" I and others are for not having the same wacky interpretations that spill out of your head - but that's on YOU, not us.

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Isaiah 55:10-12
Invitation to the Needy
…10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, 11so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it. 12You will indeed go out with joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands.…

Calling Christ a liar is VERY bad but He did say every sin will be forgiven men, any word spoken against the Father and the Son will be forgiven men, BUT BLASPHEMY of the Holy Spirit will not be. Be careful BOL, where you are and where you are heading is NOT good.

Maybe you need different versions that mean all the same thing...... I promise, I mean it, Truly , Truly, VERILY , VERILY, I assure you, you know- without a doubt. I mean clearly you and the "father- in- laws" do not like truth but TRULY, TRULY Christ does not care.

New International Version
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

English Standard Version
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Berean Study Bible
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless anyone be born of water and of the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

New King James Version
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Contemporary English Version
Jesus answered: I tell you for certain that before you can get into God's kingdom, you must be born not only by water, but by the Spirit.

Good News Translation
"I am telling you the truth," replied Jesus, "that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

International Standard Version
Jesus answered, "Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

NET Bible
Jesus answered, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

New Heart English Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua answered and said to him: “Timeless truth I am telling you: “If a person is not born from water and The Spirit, it is impossible that he shall enter the Kingdom of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus answered Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

New American Standard 1977
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

King James 2000 Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American King James Version
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American Standard Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

English Revised Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say to thee, Except a man be born of water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Weymouth New Testament
"In most solemn truth I tell you," replied Jesus, "that unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

World English Bible
Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

Bol , was the thief baptized by water according to what Christ PROMISED , Yes or No? Does Isaiah uphold that? Is rain water, is water needed to baptize?
Would the thief need to be baptized according to what Christ TRULY, TRULY, VERILY, Verily, said? so would that mean His word would have to go FORTH LIKE RAIN (WATER) just as Isaiah said , upon that thief because Christ TRULY, TRULY PROMISES- Means what He says or is the Holy Spirit as a house divide?! Does that mean a LITERAL HOUSE DIVIDE or LIKE A HOUSE DIVIDE?

Clearly there is salvation outside of the Catholic church just with this stupid doctrine "Baptism of Desire" a doctrine which calls Christ a liar. For sure : " The Dogma of the faith shall be preserved in Fatima" Mother Mary. No one has a clue what that means. When mother Mary said that she said it in knowing what the WORD Fatima means, it means "Shinning One" she is saying that the authoritative DOCTRINE is in Christ- the Light of the world. Not in your church. It does not matter if the world looses your church, because we have the Dogma of the faith in the written word. Any truth any church subscribes to is not one they created but is rather in the one who created it and reveals it in the AUTHORITATIVE Doctrine - Christ. Christ's real presents in the Eucharist, in His written word, your people did not make it up they looked it up. Mortal sin , venial sin, THE NECESSITY OF WATER BAPTISM , in the written word etc....What is not in the word are all these heretical doctrines that men try to a join to the Word. This adultery is like when a spouse has both a lover and a vow to her husband. What do you think the husband does when the spouse is caught in adultery, when she is caught acting like a harlot?

Proverbs 1:5-7
The Beginning of Knowledge
…5let the wise listen and gain instruction, and the discerning acquire wise counsel— 6to understand the proverbs and parables, the sayings and riddles of the wise. 7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.…

Proverbs 6:
30Men do not despise the thief

if he steals to satisfy his hunger.

31Yet if caught, he must pay sevenfold;

he must give up all the wealth of his house.

32But he who commits adultery lacks judgment;

whoever does so destroys himself.

33Wounds and dishonor will befall him,

and his reproach will never be wiped away.

34For jealousy enrages a husband,

and he will show no mercy in the day of vengeance.

35He will not be appeased by any ransom,

or persuaded by lavish gifts.
No indulgences will be had, because you will not be able to pay anything for harlotry.

CovenantPromise said:

There is a method to my foolishness it is the same as Paul's

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CovenantPromise said:

LIAR! Heretic!

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CovenantPromise said:

It is according to His word ALWAYS heretic, not according to yours or any heretic's.

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CovenantPromise said:

BOL is a liar and denies Christ's Word, Christ promises what He said about being born of the water and spirit no matter what Liars say. Anyone for the lie, is for satan, PERIOD!

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These are obviously the ravings of a deeply disturbed person.
I'm going to cut you some slack and simply tell you that I'm praying for you . . .

CovenantPromise said:

Isaiah 55:10-12
Invitation to the Needy
…10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, 11so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it. 12You will indeed go out with joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands.…

Calling Christ a liar is VERY bad but He did say every sin will be forgiven men, any word spoken against the Father and the Son will be forgiven men, BUT BLASPHEMY of the Holy Spirit will not be. Be careful BOL, where you are and where you are heading is NOT good.

Maybe you need different versions that mean all the same thing...... I promise, I mean it, Truly , Truly, VERILY , VERILY, I assure you, you know- without a doubt. I mean clearly you and the "father- in- laws" do not like truth but TRULY, TRULY Christ does not care.

New International Version
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

English Standard Version
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Berean Study Bible
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless anyone be born of water and of the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

New King James Version
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Contemporary English Version
Jesus answered: I tell you for certain that before you can get into God's kingdom, you must be born not only by water, but by the Spirit.

Good News Translation
"I am telling you the truth," replied Jesus, "that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

International Standard Version
Jesus answered, "Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

NET Bible
Jesus answered, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

New Heart English Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua answered and said to him: “Timeless truth I am telling you: “If a person is not born from water and The Spirit, it is impossible that he shall enter the Kingdom of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus answered Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

New American Standard 1977
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

King James 2000 Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American King James Version
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American Standard Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

English Revised Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say to thee, Except a man be born of water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Weymouth New Testament
"In most solemn truth I tell you," replied Jesus, "that unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

World English Bible
Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

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Ummmmmmm - not ONE of these translations says that it "rained" at the Crucifixion and "Baptized" the Thief on the cross.

Try again . . .

BreadOfLife said:

Ummmmmmm - not ONE of these translations says that it "rained" at the Crucifixion and "Baptized" the Thief on the cross.

Try again . . .

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Keeping playing coy . You know you know exactly what I am saying.

BreadOfLife said:

Ummmmm, WHOSE blood was shed in the the Covenant between God and Noah??
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

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I already gave it. It was animals' blood.

BreadOfLife said:

These are obviously the ravings of a deeply disturbed person.
I'm going to cut you some slack and simply tell you that I'm praying for you . . .

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What does that matter when God is for me. You're still a liar and deny the truth. THE THIEF WAS BAPTIZED and you know it. As for rain, that was according to Christ's word and His Word went forth like rain. Two step , dosey- doe, twist, deflect. This is about if whether the thief was baptized or not. AND HE WAS ACCORDING TO CHRIST'S words and His prophet's. Two false doctrines exposed 1. A priest in mortal sin can consecrate the Eucharist. 2 You do not need water baptism to enter the kingdom of heaven. Stick with the subject that I injected in. Was the thief baptized according to Christ's standard yes or no? Does His word go forth like rain yes or no?


Anyone can put a bunch of post up saying , no, no, no, no all they want. What does Christ's Word say? And a heretic's prayers are not heard they are against a child of God who upholds Christ as the STANDARD.

BreadOfLife said:

These are obviously the ravings of a deeply disturbed person.
I'm going to cut you some slack and simply tell you that I'm praying for you . . .

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BreadOfLife said:

These are obviously the ravings of a deeply disturbed person.
I'm going to cut you some slack and simply tell you that I'm praying for you . . .

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Isaiah 55:10-12
Invitation to the Needy
…10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, 11so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it. 12You will indeed go out with joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands.…

Calling Christ a liar is VERY bad but He did say every sin will be forgiven men, any word spoken against the Father and the Son will be forgiven men, BUT BLASPHEMY of the Holy Spirit will not be. Be careful BOL, where you are and where you are heading is NOT good.

Maybe you need different versions that mean all the same thing...... I promise, I mean it, Truly , Truly, VERILY , VERILY, I assure you, you know- without a doubt. I mean clearly you and the "father- in- laws" do not like truth but TRULY, TRULY Christ does not care.

New International Version
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

English Standard Version
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Berean Study Bible
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless anyone be born of water and of the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

New King James Version
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Contemporary English Version
Jesus answered: I tell you for certain that before you can get into God's kingdom, you must be born not only by water, but by the Spirit.

Good News Translation
"I am telling you the truth," replied Jesus, "that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

International Standard Version
Jesus answered, "Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

NET Bible
Jesus answered, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

New Heart English Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua answered and said to him: “Timeless truth I am telling you: “If a person is not born from water and The Spirit, it is impossible that he shall enter the Kingdom of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus answered Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

New American Standard 1977
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

King James 2000 Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American King James Version
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American Standard Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

English Revised Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say to thee, Except a man be born of water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Weymouth New Testament
"In most solemn truth I tell you," replied Jesus, "that unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

World English Bible
Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

BreadOfLife said:

Ummmmmmm - not ONE of these translations says that it "rained" at the Crucifixion and "Baptized" the Thief on the cross.

Try again . . .

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Did His word go forth like rain , yes or no? Is that what Isaiah is saying? Does Christ contradict Himself? Did He lie when He said TRULY,TRULY ?
You will not answer because you know I am right. Enjoy yourself, this is all you got.
Isaiah 55:10-12
Invitation to the Needy
…10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, 11so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it. 12You will indeed go out with joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands.…

Calling Christ a liar is VERY bad but He did say every sin will be forgiven men, any word spoken against the Father and the Son will be forgiven men, BUT BLASPHEMY of the Holy Spirit will not be. Be careful BOL, where you are and where you are heading is NOT good.

Maybe you need different versions that mean all the same thing...... I promise, I mean it, Truly , Truly, VERILY , VERILY, I assure you, you know- without a doubt. I mean clearly you and the "father- in- laws" do not like truth but TRULY, TRULY Christ does not care.

New International Version
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

English Standard Version
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Berean Study Bible
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless anyone be born of water and of the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

New King James Version
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Contemporary English Version
Jesus answered: I tell you for certain that before you can get into God's kingdom, you must be born not only by water, but by the Spirit.

Good News Translation
"I am telling you the truth," replied Jesus, "that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

International Standard Version
Jesus answered, "Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

NET Bible
Jesus answered, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

New Heart English Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua answered and said to him: “Timeless truth I am telling you: “If a person is not born from water and The Spirit, it is impossible that he shall enter the Kingdom of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus answered Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

New American Standard 1977
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

King James 2000 Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American King James Version
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American Standard Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

English Revised Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say to thee, Except a man be born of water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Weymouth New Testament
"In most solemn truth I tell you," replied Jesus, "that unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

World English Bible
Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

Thank you to all for all this recorded discussion for Israel. Clearly Isaiah is right, and Christ is no liar, He means what he says and says what he means. TRULY TRULY :Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua answered and said to him: “Timeless truth I am telling you: “If a person is not born from water and The Spirit, it is impossible that he shall enter the Kingdom of God.
It does not matter how many centuries a heretical doctrine has been believed and taught, Christ teaches a timeless truth that is unchanging.
Thanks BOL for showing the falsehoods of your mother the Mother of all harlots.True that there are harlot doctrines in all the denominations , but the RCC is THE biggest harlot .Hence Mother of all harlots.
For a little while I played the fool BOL.
Good Bye!

BreadOfLife said:

Apples and oranges.
There have ALWAYS been bad individuals within the Church - and there will be until the end of time (Matt. 7:15-23).

STUDY your Bible, dude . . .

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You just violated your "infallibility" rule.

Oh, and that means, you have no business telling others to read their bible.

Giuliano said:

I already gave it. It was animals' blood.

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Be specific.
Tell me where God told Moses to slaughter animals to seal the covenant that He would no longer destroy the earth with water.

Chapter and Verse . . .

CovenantPromise said:

Keeping playing coy . You know you know exactly what I am saying.

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You're saying that it rained at the Crucufixion.
There is NO evidence of this.

CovenantPromise said:

What does that matter when God is for me. You're still a liar and deny the truth. THE THIEF WAS BAPTIZED and you know it. As for rain, that was according to Christ's word and His Word went forth like rain. Two step , dosey- doe, twist, deflect. This is about if whether the thief was baptized or not. AND HE WAS ACCORDING TO CHRIST'S words and His prophet's. Two false doctrines exposed 1. A priest in mortal sin can consecrate the Eucharist. 2 You do not need water baptism to enter the kingdom of heaven. Stick with the subject that I injected in. Was the thief baptized according to Christ's standard yes or no? Does His word go forth like rain yes or no?


Anyone can put a bunch of post up saying , no, no, no, no all they want. What does Christ's Word say? And a heretic's prayers are not heard they are against a child of God who upholds Christ as the STANDARD.

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And you have YET to show us from Scripture – or ANYWHERE else – that the Thief was Baptized.

Show me at least ONE credible Bible scholar who agrees with your wacky interpretation of Isaiah.

Can you at LEAST to that??

CovenantPromise said:

Isaiah 55:10-12
Invitation to the Needy
…10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, 11so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it. 12You will indeed go out with joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands.…

Calling Christ a liar is VERY bad but He did say every sin will be forgiven men, any word spoken against the Father and the Son will be forgiven men, BUT BLASPHEMY of the Holy Spirit will not be. Be careful BOL, where you are and where you are heading is NOT good.

Maybe you need different versions that mean all the same thing...... I promise, I mean it, Truly , Truly, VERILY , VERILY, I assure you, you know- without a doubt. I mean clearly you and the "father- in- laws" do not like truth but TRULY, TRULY Christ does not care.

New International Version
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

English Standard Version
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Berean Study Bible
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless anyone be born of water and of the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

New King James Version
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Contemporary English Version
Jesus answered: I tell you for certain that before you can get into God's kingdom, you must be born not only by water, but by the Spirit.

Good News Translation
"I am telling you the truth," replied Jesus, "that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus answered, "I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

International Standard Version
Jesus answered, "Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

NET Bible
Jesus answered, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

New Heart English Bible
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua answered and said to him: “Timeless truth I am telling you: “If a person is not born from water and The Spirit, it is impossible that he shall enter the Kingdom of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus answered Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

New American Standard 1977
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

King James 2000 Bible
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American King James Version
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

American Standard Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

English Revised Version
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say to thee, Except a man be born of water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Weymouth New Testament
"In most solemn truth I tell you," replied Jesus, "that unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

World English Bible
Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

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NOT sure why you keep listing all of the different translations of John 3:5 – when I believe in what it says. This is what Christ established as the NORM.

He can – and DOES make exceptions – as in the case of the Thief on the cross and the millions of aborted babies.

YOU have YET to prove that the Thief was Baptized – AND how aborted babies are baptized.
Until you can do this – your argument is DEAD in the water – pardon the pun . . .