Most New Christians Live Life With 1/3rd The Power Of Christ!

jshiii · Sep 23, 2019

New Christians, and even myself at a very young age, get to the Cross when they accept Jesus as their Savior. That's 1/3rd of the story/truth and most live out their Christian life without realizing the other 2/3rds. We have to start including the Power of the Resurrection and the Ascension of Christ to new believers. Preachers, Pastors, Reverends, or whatever you call your teacher, most desperately need to make sure new Christians do not stop at the Cross....

Windmillcharge · Sep 23, 2019

jshiii said:
the Power of the Resurrection and the Ascension of Christ

Could you explain what you mean please?

Pearl · Sep 23, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
Could you explain what you mean please?

The Holy Spirit.

jshiii · Sep 23, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
Could you explain what you mean please?

This is God's Truth where we stand with Jesus in his resurrection. We can actually claim that we resurrected also, because Christ lives in us. These are just a few versus that grant us his resurrected power. There are more versus besides these.

The Resurrection, Romans 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Ephesians 2:5, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved. Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Philippians 4:13, I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

This is Power! Romans 5:17, For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness (WE) reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

The Ascension, we have also been raised to the right hand of the father and established with Jesus in all Authority (Ephesians 2:6.
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus). We can use this Authority now, even while we are still in our earthly bodies. As far as I am concerned, when I accepted Christ into my life, ETERNITY has already begin for ME! Just waiting for that new glorified body

Since we have died on the Cross with Jesus, been resurrected with Jesus Christ, Ascended with Jesus Christ, we have no more accusers. Satan's rulers and authorities have been disarmed (Colossians 2:15 having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross).

marks · Sep 23, 2019

I think many new Christians begin with much power from God, but then learn to disbelieve in that power by hearing to much nonesense from those who do not know this power.

Agree, Crucifiction and Resurrection and Heavenly Citizenship need to be more fully taught.

Much love!

Hope in God · Sep 24, 2019

I used to be young and very impressionable as a Christian. Fortunately, my salvation (justification) took place during a period when God was moving. In the late 60s, early 70s, a nationwide, very legitimate movement swept over this country bringing many people to the Lord and the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

The greatest presence of God I experienced was when I ushered for Kathryn Kuhlman at two crusades held in Jacksonville in the mid 70s. What a marvelous presence, completely not of this world.

Since then, nothing I have attended has come close to that anointing. A lot of wannabes rose up to announce their position as a replacement for Ms. Kuhlman, but all fell short. The sign following crowds generated in the 80s by the emotional displays taking place in Kenneth Hagin services, the Toronto Blessing, Rodney Howard Brown, and others was followed in the 90s by another craze, the fire that was said to bring with it impartations.

Sadly, what always takes place after all the excitement and disillusionment sets in is a body of under-studied believers focused entirely on signs with little Word in them. All sorts of spooky presumptions arise out of that mindset. God told me this, He told me that. And now there are schools where one can learn to be an apostle or prophet. Also, today, there is the New Apostolic Reformation which is overtaking the charismatic community giving folks a new version of how the church ought to be ordered, by an apostle who is accompanied by his sidekick prophet.

All this nonsense has soured many Spirit filled believers and caused loads of them to set aside anything related to Spirit filled assemblies; thus, the rise of Grace churches.

Thankfully, I have chosen to let the Lord be in charge. After two years of sitting under well balanced Bible teaching, I learned how to study and rightly divide the word of truth. I doubt I will ever again sit another hour on another metal folding chair to listen to long winded messages with no point.

amadeus · Sep 25, 2019

marks said:
I think many new Christians begin with much power from God, but then learn to disbelieve in that power by hearing to much nonesense from those who do not know this power.

Indeed, this is believers being effectively taught to quench the Holy Spirit of God. When we start to quench the Spirit, we begin our long slide downward...

"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12:43-45

Pearl · Sep 25, 2019

Sadly that is so true John. I had a lovely friend who as a new Christian embraced all that the Holy Spirit had to offer. He was full to overflowing and so enthusiastic to share. But sadly his pastor told him he was like a galloping horse and needed to reign himself back a bit. So as you can imagine this quenched the Spirit for a long time until he found himself once more able to give the spirit free reign in his later life.

amadeus · Sep 25, 2019

Pearl said:
Sadly that is so true John. I had a lovely friend who as a new Christian embraced all that the Holy Spirit had to offer. He was full to overflowing and so enthusiastic to share. But sadly his pastor told him he was like a galloping horse and needed to reign himself back a bit. So as you can imagine this quenched the Spirit for a long time until he found himself once more able to give the spirit free reign in his later life.

Most every place does it in some measure when they establish rules with the idea of controlling what people can do or say and when they can do or say anything. God does not need help to operate in people. People can however stifle the Holy Spirit with their rules supposedly established to eliminate confusion. Too many don't understand what confusion really is. It is certainly not authored by God!
Give God the glory!

marks · Sep 25, 2019

amadeus said:
Indeed, this is believers being effectively taught to quench the Holy Spirit of God. When we start to quench the Spirit, we begin our long slide downward...

"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12:43-45

I think that's a very different thing.

Children of God do not host demons.

I think it's believers being taught a watered down Christianity.

And when believers are taught that they are not even saved unless they are perfectly without sin, I think that's even worse.

Much love!

amadeus · Sep 25, 2019

marks said:
I think that's a very different thing.

Children of God do not host demons.

I think it's believers being taught a watered down Christianity.

And when believers are taught that they are not even saved unless they are perfectly without sin, I think that's even worse.

Much love!

You say that children of God do not host demons, but what if they by their lack of yielding the Holy Spirit, they effectively invite them in? Without the Holy Spirit who can resist a demon?

Either we are to be led and taught by the Holy Spirit, or we are taught by whom? How many churches/assemblies services have you attended where anyone could stand and testify or even preach at anytime as the Spirit moved him/her to do so?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" John 14:26

Should not even pastors and teachers and preachers be directed by the Holy Ghost/Spirit rather than by some pre-arranged program of men? When they are not, it that not a "watered down Christianity"?

marks · Sep 25, 2019

amadeus said:
You say that children of God do not host demons, but what if they by their lack of yielding the Holy Spirit, they effectively invite them in? Without the Holy Spirit who can resist a demon?

yes, that is correct, I say that the children of God do not host demons.

You apparently think that we can send away the Holy Spirit and trade Him for demons, being born again children of God.

I thank God that is wholey untrue. You seem to think we can be born again, but not be filled with the Holy Spirit, and therefore are susceptible to demonic possession. The children of God do not host demons.

Much love!

amadeus · Sep 25, 2019

marks said:
yes, that is correct, I say that the children of God do not host demons.

You apparently think that we can send away the Holy Spirit and trade Him for demons, being born again children of God.

I thank God that is wholey untrue. You seem to think we can be born again, but not be filled with the Holy Spirit, and therefore are susceptible to demonic possession. The children of God do not host demons.

Much love!

Why did you not cite verses to show why the verses I cited did not establish what I said?

Giuliano · Sep 25, 2019

marks said:
yes, that is correct, I say that the children of God do not host demons.

You apparently think that we can send away the Holy Spirit and trade Him for demons, being born again children of God.

I thank God that is wholey untrue. You seem to think we can be born again, but not be filled with the Holy Spirit, and therefore are susceptible to demonic possession. The children of God do not host demons.

Much love!

What happened to Judas?

Giuliano · Sep 25, 2019

amadeus said:
You say that children of God do not host demons, but what if they by their lack of yielding the Holy Spirit, they effectively invite them in? Without the Holy Spirit who can resist a demon?

I think that any space we are not willing to let the Holy Spirit fill appears like a black spot on what should be a white garment. It's empty and thus black. It can also be an invitation for unclean things to enter.

marks · Sep 25, 2019

Giuliano said:
What happened to Judas?

He had not been born again, no one was until Jesus rose from the dead. Our new life is sharing His resurrection, therefore none had that life until Jesus arose.

Someone like King Saul, or King David, whom God had put His Spirit upon, this was not the same thing as being born from above.

Much love!

marks · Sep 25, 2019

What is that verse? Right.

1 John 5:18 "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."

Pretty clear to me, anyway.

And great news indeed!

Much love!

marks · Sep 25, 2019

Giuliano said:
I think that any space we are not willing to let the Holy Spirit fill appears like a black spot on what should be a white garment. It's empty and thus black. It can also be an invitation for unclean things to enter.

I see us as filled and sealed by the Holy Spirit. Not left unprotected, flapping in the wind, for any ol' evil spirit to have at.

We need to know the confidence of what God has done for us. If we don't believe it, when will we ever live it?

But we can.

Much love!

marks · Sep 25, 2019

amadeus said:
Why did you not cite verses to show why the verses I cited did not establish what I said?

Trade verses for verses? Which verse did you quote that teaches what you teach?

amadeus said:
You say that children of God do not host demons, but what if they by their lack of yielding the Holy Spirit, they effectively invite them in? Without the Holy Spirit who can resist a demon?

Either we are to be led and taught by the Holy Spirit, or we are taught by whom? How many churches/assemblies services have you attended where anyone could stand and testify or even preach at anytime as the Spirit moved him/her to do so?

Let's look.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

I don't see this passage saying a Christian can be demon possessed.

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" John 14:26

Which of these teach us this thing?

I'm not seeing it.

I say that Born Again Children of God do not host demons. You disagree, and post this batch of verses. John wrote that those born of God, that the wicked one touches them not. 1 John 5:18. What does that mean to you? That sometimes wicked one do? But that's not what the passage says.

Much love!

marks · Sep 25, 2019

amadeus said:
Why did you not cite verses to show why the verses I cited did not establish what I said?

Personally, I think the better way is to exposit a verse and see if it teaches what you say it teaches.

Let's start over. The one born of God is filled and sealed by the Holy Spirit. The prevents them from being demon possessed.

Greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world. John. God is more powerful than the devil or any other evil spirit.

You have been born again by the implanted Word of God that lives and remains forever. Peter. God lives in us, and guards us.

That which is born of God keeps itself, and does not sin, and the wicked one touches him not. John. We are impervious to the devil, and demons.

Do you think these verses mean something different? What would that be. Please be specific.

Or . . . if you prefer, quote a passage that teaches the born again child of God can be demon possessed, and we can start there.

Much love!

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