Should women teach the bible?

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Soverign Grace

Well-Known Member
Sep 15, 2018
2,948
1,708
113
73
Palmyra
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
first thanks the post, but in 1 Tim. 2:12 it is speaking of a "WIFE" and not all women. how do we know that it is speaking about a wife? it's right in the scriptures. just keep on reading down to, 1Tim 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety".
STOP, and think. the only type of woman who suppose to be having children is a married one .... a "wife". so again here, the term "woman" is G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n. meaning a "wife"
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

as said, don't read just 1 verse, but get the whole context so that one can understand fully. by reading unto verse 15 it clearly identifies what kind of woman it is the apostle is speaking of. here it's a "wife"

knowing this, it answeres 1Cor 14:34 "Let your women (wives) keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law".
for if their husband had taught them at home, (1 Tim. 2:12) there would be no need for 1 Cor 14:34, for it is clear, as the apostle said, 1Cor 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church".

again it's speaking of "Wives", because the only type of woman who have a "husband" is a married one.... a "WIFE". BINGO.

PICJAG.

You have a thorough grasp and I agree we have to take the whole counsel of Scripture - there is the verse that another had quoted about there not being male nor female, but I don't know if Paul is talking only about married women in Timothy - he could be, but then again he may not be. There are so many interpretations - I just wonder why God would make it so difficult to understand. You see how even Christians on this forum disagree. I just wonder what God had in mind when He gave us these verses - unless it was just because they came through imperfect men that we're getting the Scripture.
 

Soverign Grace

Well-Known Member
Sep 15, 2018
2,948
1,708
113
73
Palmyra
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Agreed, women should not usurp authority over a man in an assembly if the man is present as that authority. I am not a fan of female preachers, I would rather sit under a male pastor. I can't even explain why it bothers me....it just does.

I am not a fan of female preachers either - and I'm unsure why it bothers me too. I thought it may have been from attending the strict Presbyterian church, but I don't know. None of the women pastors draw me - someone like Charles Stanley does. I can't listen to Joyce Myer, or Paula White; although I can't listen to Joel Osteen either - Although women have taught bible studies that I've attended - and one woman was particularly good - I learned a lot from her.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Heart2Soul

GTW27

Well-Known Member
Dec 6, 2018
870
1,227
93
wilderness
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I am not a fan of female preachers either - and I'm unsure why it bothers me too. I thought it may have been from attending the strict Presbyterian church, but I don't know. None of the women pastors draw me - someone like Charles Stanley does. I can't listen to Joyce Myer, or Paula White; although I can't listen to Joel Osteen either - Although women have taught bible studies that I've attended - and one woman was particularly good - I learned a lot from her.

It is easier to listen to that which touches the heart. That is only possible when one is in The Spirit, for it The Lord speaking through them. The Lord spoke through Paul and was written down for all to see. These words will endure for ever. As the Lord has said, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My Words will never pass away." The same words that Paul spoke remain in me and have not changed, even though the seasons changed. The Lord has not changed and remains the same forever.
 

JohnPaul

Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
Jun 10, 2019
3,274
2,567
113
New Jersey
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Everyone's *take* should be according to Scripture. Women are NOT permitted to (1) preach to an assembly of Christians, (2) teach within a local church, and (3) take any kind of spiritual authority within the home or the church. Also, according to Scripture, Christian women must cover their heads and their hair during worship.

Since we are seeing evidence of the Great Apostasy within Christendom today, we are also seeing (a) women preachers, (b) homosexual ministers, (c) sexual perverts as priests and bishops and (d) atheists in Christian pulpits.
It use to be the Catholic Church didn’t allow women to give the sermon, now they do and they even allow them to give out the Eucharist, when before only the Priest could touch it.

How can they allow a homosexual minister if homosexuality is against the Bible? That is false teaching.
 

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
22,475
31,609
113
80
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Is anyone aware that in the old days our school teachers taught from the Bible?
During WW2 almost all the men were sent to war and the women took their places in factories and yes, even churches.
If my recollection is correct schools in the United States got their start because people wanted their children to learn how to read and understand the Bible. Over the years the focus as we know has changed to the point where the public schools where it all began now avoid, or even are not allowed, the usage of Bibles.

WWII caused or at least increased serious changes in the United States, because there were not enough qualified men to operate our society under war time conditions. Women left homes in droves to do the jobs which traditionally had belonged to men. When the war was over and men came home, many young families found that they could maintain a higher standard of living with both spouses bringing home a paycheck. Eventually, it got to the point where it was difficult for a one income family to make it. Our whole outlook on society changed... and that is in things secular.

My pastor, now 94, tells of his early school days in Canada. He was born a half-breed Chippewa Indian [his father was full-blood Chippewa and his mother was British] in London, Ontario. His early days in school the very first item on the agenda each morning was a gathering in the auditorium of the entire student body and teaching staff met for prayer. Someone would also read several Bible verses prior everyone going to their classrooms. My pastor moved to United States permanently before he was 10 years old.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Heart2Soul

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
22,475
31,609
113
80
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
And while the Bible was incomplete and the apostles were on earth, there were prophets and prophetesses among Christians. But Paul also made it clear that women were to keep silent in the churches (during worship). And then he went on to say that prophecies would CEASE. John the Revelator confirmed that prophecies ceased with him. So we must take ALL SCRIPTURE into account.
And yet according the usage of the word prophecy in scripture there are many prophesying daily on this forum. You and I and almost everyone else here when we give a message from God to others are prophesying according to the scriptural usage. Prophesying includes the prediction of the future but is NOT limited to that. Prophecies have certainly not stopped.
 
Last edited:

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
22,475
31,609
113
80
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Everyone's *take* should be according to Scripture. Also, according to Scripture, Christian women must cover their heads and their hair during worship.
For a short period of time many years ago my wife and I attended a Spanish Oneness Pentecostal church where they required women to cover their heads in the church building with a hat, scarf, handkerchief or something so as to not be completely bareheaded. It is the only place in my experience other than the Catholic Church that practiced that.

We can see that perhaps here:

"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered." I Cor 11:5-6

But then further down in the same chapter we read this:

"But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." I Cor 11:15

It would seem that the hair itself would be covering enough. I guess bald headed women would have to wear some kind of a hat... if these verses really apply as they have been applied by some.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Heart2Soul

Enoch111

Well-Known Member
May 27, 2018
17,688
15,996
113
Alberta
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
It would seem that the hair itself would be covering enough.
If the hair itself were covering enough, why waste sixteen verses of Scripture telling us that the hair is NOT covering enough?
 

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
22,475
31,609
113
80
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
If the hair itself were covering enough, why waste sixteen verses of Scripture telling us that the hair is NOT covering enough?
What was Paul writing to us and why? Was it a message/prophesy from God? To me it might be OK to forget what Paul wrote, but what does God expect from us?
"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered." I Cor 11:5-6


But then further down in the same chapter we read this:

"But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." I Cor 11:15

It would seem that the hair itself would be covering enough. I guess bald headed women would have to wear some kind of a hat... if these verses really apply as they have been applied by some.


And then if the woman's hair must be long, how long? Then too the man's hair must be short, how short?

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" I Cor 11:14

Probably all this has a more easily understood spiritual message from God about the need for a covering. The first need for covering for men and women came to light when they disobeyed God the first time. They made an effort to cover their shame:

"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons." Gen 3:7

But... God recognized that man's own covering would always fall short. He provided a temporary covering until it was time for Jesus for

"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." Gen 3:21

The inadequacy of the temporary covering is made clearer was shown here with regard to a high priest, Joshua, one of the descendants of Aaron here:

"Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by." Zech 3:3-5

John the Baptist was as the forerunner of Jesus and baptized people in water showing them that they were to be covered completely, but it was still only a type of shadow of the real thing that was to come because of Jesus:

"For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." Acts 1:5

The Holy Ghost is our real covering, which if not quenched will cover us against all of our adversaries. Consider Peter's words:

"And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins." I Peter 4:8

Real charity [Love] only comes to whosoever will by and through the Holy Ghost.


So then what about the natural hair to cover what? The head as opposed to the covering used by Adam and Eve?

There are still questions, but what are the answers...according to God?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Heart2Soul

Enoch111

Well-Known Member
May 27, 2018
17,688
15,996
113
Alberta
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
And yet according the usage of the word prophecy in scripture there are many prophesying daily on this forum.
Quite a few Christians misunderstand the meaning of prophecy. But the Bible makes it quite clear that what it means is DIRECT divine revelation from God which has the force of Scripture -- inspired, inerrant, infallible (theopneustos = God-breathed). When Christians speak and even quote from Scripture it is either preaching, teaching, exhortation, words of wisdom, or words of knowledge. But prophecy is very different in that it is the very words of God to all mankind.

2 PETER 1

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy*; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy* of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.[interpretation = origin, that which originate from the prophet himself, but not from the Holy Spirit]
21 For the prophecy* came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

*
Strong's Concordance
prophétikos: prophetic
Original Word: προφητικός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: prophétikos
Phonetic Spelling: (prof-ay-tik-os')
Definition: prophetic
Usage: prophetic, uttered by a prophet**.

**Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4396: προφήτης (prophétés)

προφήτης, προφήτου, ὁ (προφημι, to speak forth, speak out; hence, properly, 'one who speaks forth'; seeπρό, d. ἆ.), the Sept. for נָבִיא (which comes from the same root as , 'to divulge,' 'make known,' 'announce' (cf. Fleischer in Delitzsch, Com. ü. d. Gen, 4te Aufl., p. 551f), therefore properly, equivalent to interpreter, Exodus 7:1, cf. 4:16; hence, an interpreter or spokesman for God; one through whom God speaks; cf. especially Bleek, Einl. in d. A. T. 4te Aufl., p. 309 (B. D. under the word and references there; especially also Day's note on Oehler's O. T. Theol. § 161, and Winers Grammar, Robertson Smith, Prophets of Israel, p. 389 (note on Lect. ii.))), one who speaks forth by divine inspiration;

And divine inspiration = Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16,17)


 
  • Like
Reactions: amadeus

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
22,475
31,609
113
80
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Quite a few Christians misunderstand the meaning of prophecy. But the Bible makes it quite clear that what it means is DIRECT divine revelation from God which has the force of Scripture -- inspired, inerrant, infallible (theopneustos = God-breathed). When Christians speak and even quote from Scripture it is either preaching, teaching, exhortation, words of wisdom, or words of knowledge. But prophecy is very different in that it is the very words of God to all mankind.

I agree that prophecy is the very words of God to mankind. When we are in the Spirit and speaking with our mouth, His Word, that is prophecy. As I has already said people here on the forum have done that and will continue at times to do it. I could not deny this as sometimes God has spoken also through me. It is not finished yet.

For Jesus it was finished on the cross when he said it, but that was the Head. The Body is not yet finished. Until it is, the need for the gifts and prophecy remains.


"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:" Eph 4:11-15
 

Anthony D'Arienzo

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2019
2,585
2,084
113
70
georgia
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
We went to a strict Presbyterian church one time and I adopted at least some of their values: they were very strictly against women teachers in accordance with Paul's admonition that he "does not allow a woman to teach." Yet we see more and more women teachers.

What is your take on this?
They were not strict, but rather obedient.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Soverign Grace

Anthony D'Arienzo

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2019
2,585
2,084
113
70
georgia
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The Church was very young, and Jewish women were uneducated in the Torah. And with women on one side and all the men on the other, Paul didn't want a lot of questions by the women calling out to their husband on the other side, but to ask them at home. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. However, these two verses broke up the context of what Paul was saying about Prophecy, and it is believed that these were added at a later date. Read the context without the interruption. If Paul did write against a lot of questions by the women to their husbands, it would have been at the end, not in the middle of Paul's thoughts on prophecy. Besides, women prophets could speak the word of the Lord. The gift was not just to men. So, with those two verses in the middle of his commands to prophets, he would be including women prophets also, and against their speaking out when that is not the case. Who the Spirit inspires a Word is up the the Spirit, not to Paul, or any man.

29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

As for Paul's letter to Timothy, let us first refer to his letter to the Corinthians, chapter 7 where he distinguishes between what are commandments of the Lord, and what are his own thoughts.

6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.

8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.


10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife. 12 But to the rest I, not the Lord, say:


To Timothy, Paul's prodigy, he is merely giving his own thoughts, not the Lord's.

8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

It is interesting, even today in Jerusalem at the wailing wall, you only see men there, no women. Remember, Paul was trained as a Pharisee first.
Completely false and demonstrates why woman are not to teach.
 

Waiting on him

Well-Known Member
Dec 21, 2018
11,674
6,096
113
56
North America
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
If my recollection is correct schools in the United States got their start because people wanted their children to learn how to read and understand the Bible. Over the years the focus as we know has changed to the point where the public schools where it all began now avoid, or even are not allowed, the usage of Bibles.

WWII caused or at least increased serious changes in the United States, because there were not enough qualified men to operate our society under war time conditions. Women left homes in droves to do the jobs which traditionally had belonged to men. When the war was over and men came home, many young families found that they could maintain a higher standard of living with both spouses bringing home a paycheck. Eventually, it got to the point where it was difficult for a one income family to make it. Our whole outlook on society changed... and that is in things secular.

My pastor, now 94, tells of his early school days in Canada. He was born a half-breed Chippewa Indian [his father was full-blood Chippewa and his mother was British] in London, Ontario. His early days in school the very first item on the agenda each morning was a gathering in the auditorium of the entire student body and teaching staff met for prayer. Someone would also read several Bible verses prior everyone going to their classrooms. My pastor moved to United States permanently before he was 10 years old.
My wife and I have been provided for for 32 years on one income. It’s doable
 

Anthony D'Arienzo

Well-Known Member
Jan 3, 2019
2,585
2,084
113
70
georgia
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The point is, it was Paul's opinion and prejudice, that scripture doesn't agree with, not a commandment of the Lord.

As for Adam and Eve, who had the greater sin? Eve was tricked, and nothing happened; but when Adam willfully sinned (the greater sin) their eyes were opened and they saw themselves as naked. We were damned because of Adam's sin, not Eve's.
All Paul's writing was scripture. You statement is heretical
 

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
22,475
31,609
113
80
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
My wife and I have been provided for for 32 years on one income. It’s doable
Oh yes! My wife is also one of those rare "housewife's" who for the most part stayed at home during our marriage life [47 years now], took care of the kids and me. Now we are both home bodies since my retirement 19 years ago.