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Mr. Trump has been too soft on those making wild accusations and inciting sedition. And that is why we have all this nonsense going on day after day.
Mueller and his gang, the top brass of the FBI, and the top brass of the DOJ should all have been prosecuted by now. He could have easily set up a separate commission to investigate the investigators. And he most certainly should have cleaned house more thoroughly.
You are totally correct, but the swamp has a lot of alligators and creepy crawlies in their, very murky waters as well, that one has to watch were one treads.

If Trump went under then Communism is just around the corner to enslave Americans.

Look how nasty the Socialist get with Christianity, I was a University car park playing Christian music and this dude parked just over waiting as well, got out of his car slammed the door and came stomping over in a real huff and then could see me and turned directly on his heal and went back into his car. they will try and intimidate you with fear tactics for all they are worth, but they are nothing but maggots.
 

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I think you would be hard pressed to find any expression of contempt from me for anyone on this entire site... Let alone for Trump on this thread. I think I made it very clear that this thread was not about Trump per se, but the seemingly shaky grounds upon which the Christian right is standing with regards their apparent unqualified support for him.
And I think we are all dreaming if we think our vote is what secures anyone into national leadership.
I have no personal feelings for or against Trump. However, I do wonder concerning his true loyalties. He is, along with every other president before him, both Democrat and Republican, including both Hilary and Bill, related to the royal houses of Europe. Do you understand that the US is owned and operated from London?
I am related to the Royal Houses of Europe as well. if I just look to all my cousins not all of us are on the same page at all.

But as for wealthy families such as you are pointing out, such birds do flock together and sure there is the ruling elite and that will never change, even with communism, as they still hold all the cards regardless in reality truth be tolled, only that the poor stupid socialist or demented Communist is too stupid to understand the facts of reality and is only truly enslaving himself.

So many fools nowadays believe that they the majority can lead a Nation to greatness, well fact is they can't. too many chiefs and not enough Indians and nothing gets done.

I had this communist mate over and he likes to listen about my story's of my old school mates, so I showed him on the net where they lived and he could not bear it at all, because they own farms or have some land. I just pointed out that is their block and he could not bear to look at such at all, now he is only worth 2 million himself and he is quite happy for China to come and take over Australia and take all of his money, as long as everyone is in the same boat as him:rolleyes:o_O:confused:, what it is that he can not stand is that he has huge inferiority complexes that he can not deal with and that's his problem, nice enough dude but just has issues as many of his mates that he worked with are just the same. as they only worked for the government bludging there years away doing nothing much at all but moan dribbling nonsense like a 5yo brat, oh boy the world is against them, oh the pain the pain ! not fair koala bear and sitting around retired freaking out 24/7 do they have enough $ to live to 100.;)
 

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Only in so much as they don't contradict the laws of God. There was once a law in America that required the return of all runaway slaves to their former owners. If a slave turned up at your doorstep and asked for a bed for the night and a meal, would you have turned him over to his owner?
There was a riot in my town (about two blocks from where I live now) in 1847 over just that. Federal law said slaves had to be returned while the state law forbid it. What's a judge to do in that case? The slave owner got beaten so bad, he died a few weeks later.

The McClintock Riot Historical Marker
 
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I think you would be hard pressed to find any expression of contempt from me for anyone on this entire site... Let alone for Trump on this thread. I think I made it very clear that this thread was not about Trump per se, but the seemingly shaky grounds upon which the Christian right is standing with regards their apparent unqualified support for him.
And I think we are all dreaming if we think our vote is what secures anyone into national leadership.
I have no personal feelings for or against Trump. However, I do wonder concerning his true loyalties. He is, along with every other president before him, both Democrat and Republican, including both Hilary and Bill, related to the royal houses of Europe. Do you understand that the US is owned and operated from London?
His only loyalty is to himself. He shrugged off Netanyahu's recent woes in the Israeli election saying the relationship was with Israel not Netanyahu.

Jared Kushner hasn't been mentioned much yet in this Ukraine business; but I am beginning to wonder if there is a "Jewish Connection" since Zelensky is also Jewish.

Photographic evidence emerges of Jared Kushner with Ukrainian president central to impeachment

On Thursday, Al-Monitor reporter Laura Rozen tweeted out a picture that has largely slipped under the radar: a photo of President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and policy adviser Jared Kushner dining with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at a function in Brussels in June.

Kushner has long served as an informal foreign policy negotiator for the president, making visits with foreign leaders that would normally be reserved for the secretary of state.

Trump is facing intense outrage and an impeachment inquiry for his attempt to extort Zelensky to help him dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden — something that he and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani have effectively admitted to be true.

You can view photo at the tweet here: Laura Rozen on Twitter
 

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I think we should all be able to see by now that Mueller bears no blame. He is just a confused old fool of a figurehead the Democrats used to lend legitimacy to their underhanded actions.... and I am now certain they knew, full well, his diminished mental capacity when they started this whole fiasco.
 
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I am related to the Royal Houses of Europe as well. if I just look to all my cousins not all of us are on the same page at all.

But as for wealthy families such as you are pointing out, such birds do flock together and sure there is the ruling elite and that will never change, even with communism, as they still hold all the cards regardless in reality truth be tolled, only that the poor stupid socialist or demented Communist is too stupid to understand the facts of reality and is only truly enslaving himself.

So many fools nowadays believe that they the majority can lead a Nation to greatness, well fact is they can't. too many chiefs and not enough Indians and nothing gets done.

I had this communist mate over and he likes to listen about my story's of my old school mates, so I showed him on the net where they lived and he could not bear it at all, because they own farms or have some land. I just pointed out that is their block and he could not bear to look at such at all, now he is only worth 2 million himself and he is quite happy for China to come and take over Australia and take all of his money, as long as everyone is in the same boat as him:rolleyes:o_O:confused:, what it is that he can not stand is that he has huge inferiority complexes that he can not deal with and that's his problem, nice enough dude but just has issues as many of his mates that he worked with are just the same. as they only worked for the government bludging there years away doing nothing much at all but moan dribbling nonsense like a 5yo brat, oh boy the world is against them, oh the pain the pain ! not fair koala bear and sitting around retired freaking out 24/7 do they have enough $ to live to 100.;)
Your warnings against communism and socialism are quite appropriate, however may I suggest that there is a form of power now ruling in America that is well established and very unlikely to be overturned. Fascism. Look up the meaning of true fascism and you will understand what I mean. Even the Catholic church is closer to fascism than anything else.
PS I might add that fascism as revealed in modern history books and beginning with Mussolini is not the fascism that is now currently ruling America... Although it is related... But the fascism in America goes way back older than the 20th century.
 
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Only in so much as they don't contradict the laws of God. There was once a law in America that required the return of all runaway slaves to their former owners. If a slave turned up at your doorstep and asked for a bed for the night and a meal, would you have turned him over to his owner?
I can't find that in the Bible can you give me the scripture you are referencing?
I don't put my faith in man....I only trust God's Will and purpose....I honor God by being obedient to His Word....I do have my personal thoughts towards leaders and sometimes I have to repent for passing my own judgment against them.....

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
— Romans 13:1

Jesus answered [speaking to Pilate], “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”
— John 19:11

By me kings reign…
— Proverbs 8:15

…he removes kings, and sets up kings…
— Daniel 2:21

Then God removed Saul and made David their king…
— Acts 13:22

No one … can exalt themselves. It is God who judges: He brings one down, he exalts another.
— Psalms 75:6-7

…the Most High has power over human kingdoms. He gives them to whomever he wishes.
— Daniel 4:17

The Bible not only teaches that God appoints our leaders, it also says he controls their behavior:

The king’s heart is like a stream of water directed by the LORD; he guides it wherever he pleases.
— Proverbs 21:1

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron…
--Exodus 9:12

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority…
— 1 Peter 2:13

Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves… For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
— Romans 13:2-5

This is the only scripture in the Bible where it addresses kings and princes set up without His consent....and the result was a God's wrath.
They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval.
— Hosea 8:4


So as for me I will honor God by being obedient to His Word and pray for our leaders.....
I have been through a few presidencies now in my lifetime and the biases and prejudices are the same today as they were then....nothing changes.....Democrats hate the republican presidents and Republicans hate the democrat presidents....and both strive to discredit the POTUS through scandal and slander... 2 presidents were hated so much that they were assassinated....and both of them were assassinated because of their agenda towards the black race. Lincoln for abolishing slavery and Kennedy for pushing the Civil Rights Act..

I wasn't going to respond but I keep trying to express the importance of being obedient to God's Word on the matter. At this point, do whatever you want. It isn't going to change God's mind....and if Trump is re-elected it is because that's who God chose to be in power....work out your own salvation.
 
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I can't find that in the Bible can you give me the scripture you are referencing?
I don't put my faith in man....I only trust God's Will and purpose....I honor God by being obedient to His Word....I do have my personal thoughts towards leaders and sometimes I have to repent for passing my own judgment against them.....

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
— Romans 13:1

Jesus answered [speaking to Pilate], “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”
— John 19:11

By me kings reign…
— Proverbs 8:15

…he removes kings, and sets up kings…
— Daniel 2:21

Then God removed Saul and made David their king…
— Acts 13:22

No one … can exalt themselves. It is God who judges: He brings one down, he exalts another.
— Psalms 75:6-7

…the Most High has power over human kingdoms. He gives them to whomever he wishes.
— Daniel 4:17

The Bible not only teaches that God appoints our leaders, it also says he controls their behavior:

The king’s heart is like a stream of water directed by the LORD; he guides it wherever he pleases.
— Proverbs 21:1

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron…
--Exodus 9:12

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority…
— 1 Peter 2:13

Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves… For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
— Romans 13:2-5

This is the only scripture in the Bible where it addresses kings and princes set up without His consent....and the result was a God's wrath.
They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval.
— Hosea 8:4


So as for me I will honor God by being obedient to His Word and pray for our leaders.....
I have been through a few presidencies now in my lifetime and the biases and prejudices are the same today as they were then....nothing changes.....Democrats hate the republican presidents and Republicans hate the democrat presidents....and both strive to discredit the POTUS through scandal and slander... 2 presidents were hated so much that they were assassinated....and both of them were assassinated because of their agenda towards the black race. Lincoln for abolishing slavery and Kennedy for pushing the Civil Rights Act..

I wasn't going to respond but I keep trying to express the importance of being obedient to God's Word on the matter. At this point, do whatever you want. It isn't going to change God's mind....and if Trump is re-elected it is because that's who God chose to be in power....work out your own salvation.

Great verses H2S!
"Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves… For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good." <--- I will say I have a tough time with this one. Only because I believe there is only a very small handful of faithful prayerful Christians who DO pray and have always prayed for our leaders. My issue is that in this day and age, all pol.s seem to be corrupt to the core and, it is not for "our good" anymore. "Trust no man"...like yourself, I too trust Him for every single thing and, I do believe He puts all those He chooses in power for the good or the bad...His purposes can be mostly unknown?
Good post,
Okay, that's all :)
 

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Great verses H2S!
"Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves… For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good." <--- I will say I have a tough time with this one. Only because I believe there is only a very small handful of faithful prayerful Christians who DO pray and have always prayed for our leaders. My issue is that in this day and age, all pol.s seem to be corrupt to the core and, it is not for "our good" anymore. "Trust no man"...like yourself, I too trust Him for every single thing and, I do believe He puts all those He chooses in power for the good or the bad...His purposes can be mostly unknown?
Good post,
Okay, that's all :)
When I was around 20 years old I was so sick of corrupt government that I made a statement that I am ANTI-GOVERNMENT....not ANTI-AMERICAN or UNPATRIOTIC.....and I said many times that the government is a vessel for the anti-christ.
 
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When I was around 20 years old I was so sick of corrupt government that I made a statement that I am ANTI-GOVERNMENT....not ANTI-AMERICAN or UNPATRIOTIC.....and I said many times that the government is a vessel for the anti-christ.

You had good insight, Imo. I come from a military family, mom, dad, 2 brothers and myself, even while in the service, there were questions within my heart...and that was in 81. It's like you see the writing on the wall so to speak. We are neither un nor anti but we are PRO Christ ❤
 

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Your warnings against communism and socialism are quite appropriate, however may I suggest that there is a form of power now ruling in America that is well established and very unlikely to be overturned. Fascism. Look up the meaning of true fascism and you will understand what I mean. Even the Catholic church is closer to fascism than anything else.
PS I might add that fascism as revealed in modern history books and beginning with Mussolini is not the fascism that is now currently ruling America... Although it is related... But the fascism in America goes way back older than the 20th century.
I know what Fascism is all about in depth, but the RCC is not Fascism.
Just because one holds values and demands people to live up to such examples is a good thing or society goes to crap some things are demanded of you like brushing your teeth ect and if you don't live up to a standard then you will be looked down on and that's a good thing, we are a community and as such their are standards.
I see many people are so self absorbed nowadays and they refuse to do their duty to their community, like Jury duty or anything to serve there community, but will cry foul when it comes to serving them.
 
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Had to run before so did not finish off what I was going to say.

People feel that they have a safety net under them so they just indulge in stupid things much like a dog on the loose, so they take the risks with drugs or what ever in business and if others get hurt they do not truly care, but only for themselves.
Now the Police are considered fascist but they are only trying to clean up the mess of all the morons, thing is that the police would not be needed if people were not such morons in the first place.

Nowadays we have Lefty's and real wealthy far right wanting to bring 3rd rate cultures into our society's and turn a blind eye to all the problems that this creates and oh they will only talk about the positives of such if they can find one but you are not to point out the bad side of such things because they dictate to the majority that it's a taboo subject and try to peddle that if you question them you are the fascist ! but no ! I am the community who does not live in a gated compound or take advantage of cheap labour like the real wealthy love or the low life on the other hand that just don't care because they don't have the brains and are the brain washed dupes who can't think for themselves because they never ever had to, so they just act nice façade, oh that does not sound nice ? so they take offence to anything because they are just too shallow to see past their own nose.
And that's why Christianity has failed and why were are all heading to become enslaved in a New Communist world order.

If Trump goes you can kiss your arse good by to Christianity because the Socialist will destroy everything that built our Nations up to what it once was and bring in Communism and then do what the communist are best at killing people and that's the only thing that they have ever been really good at.

Trump is just not making stupid deals that undermine his Nation, that's not Fascism at all, Trump is a Nationalist, well that's loyalty to the Nation in fact. oh no Trump is trying to dig the Nation out of a hole that was going destroy it like a cancer, that's not Fascism. that's intelligent !
 

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The ruling elite always rule regardless even if be it Communism as they do not care when one is in such a position as it only means that the people have squandered themselves to the point of having no rights worth a cracker.

The ruling elite created Communism anyway, just that the average communist is to much of a moron to understand this fact.

The ruling elite will always win regardless because they hold all the cards, if one thinks that they could take on a Casino and take them over no way ! or do you think that any Nation could take on the world Banks, no way ! net even the greatest army the world ever seen could do that nor did one ever try.

Socialism was just creation to bring about Communism, not to mention that all Communism was always propped up by the elite using your taxes, only the majority are to stupid to understand this fact.

As for the RCC well as with all big religious company's they are not Saints and their are always factions of demonic trash with in all of them, Pope Frances for one is called the peoples Pope ? and the majority are to stupid to not understand that that is a direct insult to God in fact ? the Pope is suppose to be Gods Pope not the peoples pope ? now who was it that were the people of God ? they were not the people of the people now were they ? as that would be a God less people in fact.
The Pope should be representing God = he being a Servant of God ? he is not to be the servant of the people as he should not be looking to them for guidance but only to Jesus Christ as all men of God must do, for if they don't they are of Satan.

With Pope Frances we see that he is the medias Pope and takes his orders from Lord Rothschild and that is a proven fact.
 
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I can't find that in the Bible can you give me the scripture you are referencing?
I don't put my faith in man....I only trust God's Will and purpose....I honor God by being obedient to His Word....I do have my personal thoughts towards leaders and sometimes I have to repent for passing my own judgment against them.....

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
— Romans 13:1

Jesus answered [speaking to Pilate], “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”
— John 19:11

By me kings reign…
— Proverbs 8:15

…he removes kings, and sets up kings…
— Daniel 2:21

Then God removed Saul and made David their king…
— Acts 13:22

No one … can exalt themselves. It is God who judges: He brings one down, he exalts another.
— Psalms 75:6-7

…the Most High has power over human kingdoms. He gives them to whomever he wishes.
— Daniel 4:17

The Bible not only teaches that God appoints our leaders, it also says he controls their behavior:

The king’s heart is like a stream of water directed by the LORD; he guides it wherever he pleases.
— Proverbs 21:1

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron…
--Exodus 9:12

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority…
— 1 Peter 2:13

Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves… For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
— Romans 13:2-5

This is the only scripture in the Bible where it addresses kings and princes set up without His consent....and the result was a God's wrath.
They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval.
— Hosea 8:4


So as for me I will honor God by being obedient to His Word and pray for our leaders.....
I have been through a few presidencies now in my lifetime and the biases and prejudices are the same today as they were then....nothing changes.....Democrats hate the republican presidents and Republicans hate the democrat presidents....and both strive to discredit the POTUS through scandal and slander... 2 presidents were hated so much that they were assassinated....and both of them were assassinated because of their agenda towards the black race. Lincoln for abolishing slavery and Kennedy for pushing the Civil Rights Act..

I wasn't going to respond but I keep trying to express the importance of being obedient to God's Word on the matter. At this point, do whatever you want. It isn't going to change God's mind....and if Trump is re-elected it is because that's who God chose to be in power....work out your own salvation.
Those scriptures apply only in as much as those governing powers are cooperating with God in doing good. Are they not also to be in subjection to God's authority? So if they are not in subjection to God's authority, and begin to rule according to their own authority, placing their own authority above that of God's, then we ought to obey God rather than men.
KJV Matthew 15
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Surely the above applies to secular rulers as well as religious? Particularly in this day and age when the separation between church and state is becoming blurred, and the state beginning to implement policies that undermine Christian faith and practice.. wasnt it you who posted that long list of grievances that the government had been doing that offend Christianity in the US? so Christians should obey the government when it comes to gay rights... Sex education... Gender id?
 
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So when the government legislates laws that undermine your worship, such as is going to happen soon according to Revelation 13, who do you obey?
 

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If Trump goes you can kiss your arse good by to Christianity because the Socialist will destroy everything that built our Nations up to what it once was and bring in Communism and then do what the communist are best at killing people and that's the only thing that they have ever been really good at.

Reggie, I usually like what you post, but what the hell is with this crap? I'm trying to be polite as possible right now, so I'll ask very politely so I don't get it wrong: If Donald Trump goes you can kiss your arse good by to Christianity? Christianity all comes down to Trump, is this what you are saying?
 

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Great verses H2S!
"Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves… For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good." <--- I will say I have a tough time with this one. Only because I believe there is only a very small handful of faithful prayerful Christians who DO pray and have always prayed for our leaders. My issue is that in this day and age, all pol.s seem to be corrupt to the core and, it is not for "our good" anymore. "Trust no man"...like yourself, I too trust Him for every single thing and, I do believe He puts all those He chooses in power for the good or the bad...His purposes can be mostly unknown?
Good post,
Okay, that's all :)

It's hilarious when people state they support their government cause God told them to in scripture (which I recognize is true), yet at the same time are defending/living in a country that only exists because some people earlier rebelled against God's word and didn't obey their government (Revolutionary War and the British). I guess it's "ok" as long as someone else rebelled against God for them...
 
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