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Could we have a bible study on Jonas? I was reading about the sign of Jonas that Jesus talks about and wanted to to know more about him. Thanks !
 

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Could we have a bible study on Jonas? I was reading about the sign of Jonas that Jesus talks about and wanted to to know more about him. Thanks !
Jonas? You mean Jonah the one that was sitting inside the whale for three days and then the Lord got him out?BTW Jonas is a English transliteration for Greek in the NT spelling for Jonah in the OT.BTW, It is a type for Christ resurrection after death on the cross.
 

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Yes (((Jordan))))that is who I mean.
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Jonah was not exactly thrilled at the idea when God told him to preach in Nineveh. Some have even called him the reluctantprophet. God told Jonah to go north and east, and he went west toward Tarshish (probably Spain). In disobeying God, Jonah fell into a prophetic pattern that manifested the first work of Christ. While Jonah was on his escape boat, a tempest struck the sea with great violence. The frightened mariners on the boat with Jonah cast lots (Jonah 1:7) to see who was to blame for the trouble, and the lot fell upon Jonah. This reminds us of the lots cast to choose the scapegoat as well as the lots cast for Jesus' garments at the crucifixion. At any rate, the mariners threw Jonah overboard. Then Jonah 1:17 says,17 And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.In Matthew 12 the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign to prove that He was the Messiah. He did not give them the type of sign they desired, but He did give them a prophetic sign that they did not understand. Matthew 12:38-40 says,38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered Him, saying, Teacher, we want to see a sign from You. 39 But He answered and said to them, An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; 40 for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.This clearly identifies Jonah as a type of Christ in His death work on the Cross as the Passover Lamb. But it also has reference to Pentecost, where the Holy Spirit began to indwell our flesh. The Holy Spirit is pictured as a dove. Jonah's name means "dove." So even as Jonah indwelt the great fish, so also does the Holy Spirit indwell our flesh. Pentecost is only an earnest of the Spirit, which is to be completed under the Feast of Tabernacles at the end of this present age. Under Tabernacles, Paul says we will all be "changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet" (1 Cor. 15:51, 52).The Greek word translated "moment" is atomos, which literally means ATOMS. In ancient times the word was used to indicate the smallest particle of matter that could be subdivided. Paul used the word to indicate an atomic change in the material body itself that would allow the glory of God to be manifested even as Jesus' body after His resurrection. Even before His death on the Cross, this atomic change manifested briefly at His transfiguration. This is the sort of body that we will have "at the last trumpet," and this change will take place "in the twinkling of an eye."In the quote above, Jesus equates the belly of the fish with the heart of the earth. We are therefore both the fish and the earth, where the dove was to dwell. The early Church used the sign of the fish to identify Christians. Also, since Adam was made of the dust of the earth and was even named after the ground (adama means "ground"), it is clear that the Holy Spirit indwells earth men.After spending a few days in the belly of the fish, Jonah was vomited upon the shore. No doubt Jonah had been bleached white by the time he came to shore. His emergence from the fish represented resurrection "at the last trumpet," and because of the symbolic nature of his experience, it is likely that the fish vomited him upon the Feast of Trumpets in September of that year.Logabe
 

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After Jonah's experience in the fish, God gave Jonah a second call to preach to Nineveh. This is prophetic of the second work of Christ and gives us the clearest view in the Scriptures of the purpose of the second coming of Christ. Jonah 3:1 and 2 says,1 Now the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying, 2 "Arise, go to Nineveh the great city and proclaim toit the proclamation which I am going to tell you."This phase of Jonah's ministry represents the second work of Christ, wherein the Great Commission is completed and all nations come under the rule of Jesus Christ. This second workmust be done under the anointing of the Feast of Tabernacles, at which time the overcomers will be transfigured, putting on their "white garments," representing the righteousness of saints. When Jonah was bleached white, it prefigured the transfiguration that is yet to take place at the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles.Jonah was one of the few successful prophets in history, because he was a type of Christ in the capacity of His second work. Nineveh means "City of Fish," and they worshipped the fish god. No doubt Jonah's experience made the Ninevites think that he was a prophet sent to them by their fish god.This is an amazing example of the sovereignty of God, for if Jonah had gone to Nineveh when first called to go, it is doubtful if the men of Nineveh would have repented at his preaching. But Jonah did not go until after his experience with a large fish. Bleached white, there was no hiding the fact that he had come forth from the fish. His reputation preceded him, and the men of Nineveh heard that a prophet had been sent by their great fish god with a message. They all repented, from the king to the lowest citizen.Since Nineveh was the capital of Assyria, which conquered and captivated Israel, Assyria is symbolized by the great fish. Hosea 8:8-9 says,8 Israel is swallowed up; they are now among the nations like a vessel in which no one delights. 9 For they have gone up to Assyria, like a wild donkey all alone; Ephraim has hired lovers.Assyria represented the great fish, and Jonah represented Israel. In that the fish swallowed Jonah, so also would Assyria swallow up the House of Israel. Jonah knew that this would happen, and this was why he did not want to preach the Gospel to Assyria. He did not want them to repent, because he did not want God to have mercy upon that enemy nation. So he took a ship to Tarshish, and in so doing, he became a type of Christ in His first work.Logabe
 

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The second part of the sign of Jonah is prophetic of that which occurs AFTER the resurrection of the dead at the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets. Jonah's emergence from the belly of the fish (the heart of the earth) represents the resurrection of the dead at the last trumpet. He came forth bleached white (transfigured). He was then sent to preach the Gospel to Nineveh, representing all nations, including God's "enemies." When the world sees the manifestation of the sons of God, they will be converted in the age to come. Then will come to pass the prophecy of Isaiah 2:2-4, which says,2 Now it will come about that in the last days, the mountain of the house of the LORD will be established as the chief of the mountains, and will be raised above the hills; and all the nations will stream to it. 3 And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; that He may teach us concerning His ways, and that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And He will judge between the nations, and will render decisions for many peoples; and they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, and never again will they learn war.In the law we are told the basic facts of the two works of Christ. We are told that the first is a death work, while the second is a living work. In identifying the two doves with the cleansing of lepers over an eight-day period, it shows us that the work is not completed until the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles of some year. The story of Jonah tells us the practical significance of the second work of Christ. Jonah shows us that it is a preaching work that will bring all things under the feet of Jesus Christ. In that Jonah preached the Word AFTER his "resurrection," it shows us that this second work, though partially fulfilled under Pentecost, is not fully manifested until the resurrection of the dead and the atomic change that will occur at the fulfillment of Tabernacles.In Revelation 19:11 Jesus Christ is pictured on a white horse, and His robe is dipped in blood. He is pictured as coming to do His second work to bring all nations under His rulership. Joshua the Ephraimite teaches us that we will be led into the Promised Land of the Kingdom of God by Jesus Christ in His capacity as an Ephraimite, rather than as a Judahite. Joshua was the son of Nun, which means "fish." Jonah was birthed by a fish as well, for whenthe fish vomited him upon the shore, it was his resurrection day into newness of life.The message of the second work of Christ is summarized in 2 Cor. 5:18-20,18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were entreating through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.When God sends His people to the nations under the anointing of Tabernacles, they will preach this message. Nineveh will be overthrown by the Kingdom of God, because the people of the world will repent when they see the love of God manifested in His sons and daughters. There will be some with a wrong attitude like Jonah, and these will not be pleased when God saves the nations. In the fourth chapter of Jonah we find the prophet quite angry with God for sparing Nineveh. This was to show us a very important lesson. Some Christians believe so strongly that God must judge the nations that they will be quite upset when He causes them to repent so that He can reconcile the world to Himself.It is true, of course, that God must judge sin. That is the divine law. However, when the sinners repent, their judgment is borne by Jesus Christ on the cross. Many believe that the present situation is so fargone that even God cannot reverse it and will have to destroy the earth. The story of Jonah seems to indicate otherwise. It would be wise to examine our hearts to be sure that we would rejoice with God, were He to be the Savior of the world, rather than its destroyer. Remember what God told Jonah in 4:10 and 11,10 Then the LORD said, You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work, and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight. 11 And should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?God is pointing out a heart problem in Jonah. We must be careful that we do not allow ourselves to have the same attitude.Logabe
 

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(((( logabe)))Thank you for taking the time to explain it so well. I will have to take each part and read it very carefully. If I have any questions I will ask.
 

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Jonah constructed a booth, which prophetically portrays him to be one who fulfills of the Feast of Booths, or Tabernacles. God then sent a gourd to deliver him from his "discomfort" (NASB). Verse 6 says,6 So the LORD God appointed a plant and it grew up over Jonah to be a shade over his head to deliver him from his discomfort {Heb. ra, "evil"]. And Jonah was extremely happy about the plant.No doubt, of course, the gourd's shade delivered Jonah from the discomfort of the beating sun as well, but the deeper meaning signifies a deliverance from all evil through the Feast of Booths. We will all be very happy when God does this for us. Why, then, did God send a worm to destroy the gourd?The gourd is the Hebrew word for the castor oil plant, or literally the vomit plant. Anyone who has tasted castor oil can understand the reason it was called vomit. God is showing us that Jonah's heart was not yet perfect. He needed a good internal purge of his heart bitterness and judgmental attitude toward Nineveh. He needed to vomit out the evil that was still resident in his flesh. As we have already shown, the elimination of the evil within us comes through TWO works of Christ, not just one. Christ's first work on the cross (Passover) gave us an imputed righteousness by covering sin, while the second work under Tabernacles makes us actually righteous by removing all sin.Jonah does not receive the vomit plant to deliver him from evil until he builds a booth. And so we find in this brief ending to the book of Jonah a picture of the Feast of Booths and second work of Christ. But this is not all, for God sent a worm to kill the gourd, which made Jonah wish to die as well. What does this have to do with the story?7 But God appointed a worm [Heb. towla] when dawn came the next day, and it attacked the plant and it withered. 8 And it came about when the sun came up that God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah's head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, "Death is better to me than life."This was no ordinary worm. The Hebrew text calls it a towla, which is a worm from which crimson dye was extracted in ancient times. According to Henry Morris' book, Biblical Basis For Modern Science, page 73,"When the female of the scarlet worm species was ready to give birth to her young, she would attach her body to the trunk of a tree, fixing herself so firmly and permanently that she would never leave again. The eggs deposited beneath her body were thus protected until the larvae were hatched and able to enter their own life cycle. As the mother died, the crimson fluid stained her body and the surrounding wood. From the dead bodies of such female scarlet worms, the commercial scarlet dyes of antiquity were extracted."This tells us that the worm in the story of Jonah stained the booth with crimson as it gave its life to bring forth offspring. Is this not a perfect picture of Christ, who gave His life to bring many sons into glory? Psalm 22:6 prophesies of Jesus Christ in His death on the cross, saying, "I am a worm [Heb. towla], and not a man, a reproach of men, and despised by the people." When Jesus died, His blood stained the cross, even as the crimson from the worm stained the trunk of the gourd in Jonah's day.There is a second meaning of this as well. In the second work of Christ, depicted by the second dove in Leviticus 14, we find that the second dove was dipped in the blood of the first dove that had been killed. Likewise, we find that the worm dies and then stains the gourd that was attached to the BOOTH. In other words, the second work of Christ at Tabernacles is based upon the first work on the cross at Passover.Together, these two works or ministries will bring deliverance from the evil that is within all of us. In the story of Jonah, the prophet sat under a booth, but the evil in his heart was not exposed and covered by the blood until the worm came and destroyed the gourd. Then was his heart manifested. Even his desire to die was prophetic in that it shows us the way to life and perfection is through the death of the flesh. We must identify with Christ's death on the cross before we can identify with Him in His second work.Finally, there is a connection between the gourd and Nineveh. A great fish swallowed up Jonah and then vomited him on the shore, picturing Jesus' death and resurrection. In Jonah's second call to preach to Nineveh, Jonah goes to the "City of Fish" (Nineveh) and then sits in a booth that pictures the Feast of Tabernacles. Here the prophet sits under the vomit plant in order to be perfected. In both cases, the vomit represents resurrection, for Jonah was a type of Christ. Even as Jonah spent three days in the belly of the fish, so also did Jesus spend three days in the heart of the earth. Even as Jonah was vomited out of the belly of the fish to picture resurrection from the dead, so also was Jesus raised from the dead.There is an oppressive system in the world that is prophetically called Nineveh, Egypt, and Babylon. The story of Jonah is a prophecy that the second work of Christ is going to bring repentance to the world and the salvation of all people. Jonah did not want to see them delivered, and he complained bitterly when God did not destroy the city. In this attitude, he ceased to be a type of Christ and became more like Christians. We must not be bitter when God does this marvelous work. Are we going to demand that God destroy those sinners and give them what they deserve, or will we rejoice in their deliverance?This bad attitude arises from the evil within our hearts and must be put to death with all fleshly attitudes. Only when our heart is right and when we see Nineveh as God sees it will we be ready to bring them the Gospel of the Kingdom in a heart of true love. The Feast of Booths is designed to prepare our hearts fully for that ministry of the reconciliation of the world.Logabe
 

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Leviticus 23:43, says only that they were to live in booths for seven days in commemoration of Israel's dwelling in booths during their forty years in the wilderness. We accept this as truth, of course, but there is more to it than that. Later, God did reveal more about this feast than is recorded in Leviticus 23. Even so, this is a good place to begin.Numbers 33:5 tells us that when Israel began their departure from Egypt, they left from the town of Rameses and went to Succoth. Here they picked up the bones of Joseph to bring with them to the Promised Land (Exodus 13:19 and 20). In other words, Succoth was their first encampment as they departed out of Egypt. Succoth means "booths, tabernacles." It is the same Hebrew word used for the Feast of Tabernacles. So at first glance it might seem as though the Feast of Tabernacles should be celebrated on Passover. But this is not the established day for this feast. The question is, why was Israel's first encampment at the town of Succoth? In what sense does it signify the Feast of Tabernacles?God gave Israel a vision of Tabernacles from the beginning of their journey. Their instructions were to dwell in booths during their sojourn in the wilderness. This was designed to keep them from becoming too settled in the wilderness. For the Church under Pentecost, this lesson tells us that we should not become too settled and comfortable in our own 40-Jubilee sojourn, lest we build denominational houses and think we are now in the Promised Land.Throughout the Age of Pentecost, the Church should remain in "booths" and keep the vision of Tabernacles alive. In our journey through the wilderness, we should carry the bones of Joseph with us. That is, we must understand that we have not yet reached immortality, but are still in the valley of dry bones (Ezekiel 37:1). Nor have we come to the second coming of Christ, which we see as a Joseph work, where Jesus will come with His robe dipped in blood (Rev. 19:13; Genesis 37:31). The promise of Succoth is our HOPE, but is not yet a fully experiential reality in our lives. The wilderness is the place where we carry around the bones of Joseph.The wilderness is no place to settle in a permanent house. It is only a transition stage. Abraham himself confessed that he was but a stranger and pilgrim in the land, because he sought the city of the New Jerusalem (Hebrews 11:13-16). His life in Canaan was his own wilderness experience. And yet Abraham had the faith to see the promise, and it was counted to him for righteousness. In like manner, the church in the wilderness was to have faith in the promise of God, not only by carrying the bones of Joseph, but also by dwelling in booths.Unfortunately, the Church largely threw away the divine law, including the Feast of Booths, and built many denominational houses along the way. Most people settled down in a denomination, convinced that its priesthood or clergy possessed all the truth that was necessary to "get to heaven." Many of these Christian sojourners were then left behind when the pillar of cloud moved to the next oasis to teach them something new.Christians largely lost the vision of Tabernacles and forgot that there was ever such a feast day. In the twentieth century there have been thousands of books written about the second coming of Christ, but only a tiny fraction of them show the slightest knowledge of the autumn feasts, which are God's appointed times. As a result, many strange doctrines are being taught with few people questioning the validity of those teachings.Logabe
 

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But it is not our purpose to criticize the Church or any portion of it. Our purpose is to help those who want to learn more of those parts of the Word that are not normally taught in their particular church or study group. Our purpose is to reveal the meaning of these feast days, in order that Christians may believe what is written in the Word. The Feast of Tabernacles is the appointed time for the bodily change--what Paul calls "the redemption of our body" (Romans 8:23). The apostle also says in 1 Corinthians 15:51,51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep ["die"], but we shall all be changed [Greek: allasso, "to change, exchange one thing for another, transform"].In other words, we will exchange one body for another. Our present "house" or "tabernacle" is mortal and imperfect, limited by many earthly factors. In the Feast of Tabernacles we will exchange this house for another. We will move from our present earthly house to a house depicted by the booths made of tree branches. The booths are made of materials that are LIVING. In the redemption of our body, the LIVING body that we lost through Adam's sin (debt) will be redeemed. This is our true inheritance, our true Promised Land on the highest level of meaning. It's not some small piece of land in the middle east.Logabe
 

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Logabe, slow down a bit...How does all this fit ?
Lookin'4ward, Logabe always post like that and won't stop. And Lookin'4ward, be careful with him, I just hate his posts. I say this in a warning, cause I care about you. Just be careful...
 

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In order to understand the booths "Lookin'4wardtoheaven" we need to goback to the three main feasts.Exodus 23:14-17.14 Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. 16 Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17 Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord GOD.The feast of Passover and the seven days of Unleavened Bread, is first. It commemorates the day Israel left Egypt under Moses on their way to the Promised Land. The second feast, Pentecost, or Harvest, commemorates the giving of the law at Mount Sinai, the day the fire of God came down upon the mount, and God spoke to all the people. The third feast, Tabernacles, or Ingathering, commemorates two things: (1) the building of the tabernacle in the wilderness; and (2) the time Israel was supposed to cross the Jordan into the Promised Land.These experiences were set up to remember certain key experiences in the life of the nation. But they also have other levels of meaning. On the personal side, Passover signifies our Justification from the bondage of sin (“Egypt”). Pentecost signifies our Sanctification by the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Tabernacles signifies our Glorification at “the redemption of our body” (Romans 8:23), when we inherit our “Promised Land.”This third and final feast is what we are waiting for. Most Christians call thisTabernacles experience "the rapture" but it is actually when we trade our imperfectbooth (house) for a perfect house. Know you not, that your BODY is the TEMPLE of the Holy Ghost [1st Cor. 3:16]. God didn't want us to think we were in the Promise Land while we are in this temporary house. As I said in the last post, He wants usto understand this state of being is temporary and we must carry Joseph's boneswhile we are in this fallen state.Jesus said, I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly. He wasspeaking of the appointed time when we would receive that immortal body from above. Rom. 8:11 says,But if the Spirit (TRUTH) of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken (make alive) your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.Logabe
 

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A particular harvest is associated with each of these three feast days. Passover is associated with the harvest of barley; Pentecost is associated with the harvest of wheat; and Tabernacles is associated specifically with the grape harvest. Because this is so little-known, most do not understand Paul’s teachings on the three harvests.In the land of Palestine, barley was the first to ripen in the spring of the year. When the people came to Jerusalem for the Passover, each brought a handful of ripe barley to give to God as the firstfruits of the harvest. On the Sunday after Passover, the priest took some of the barley and waved it up and down before God (Lev. 23:10-14). The New American Standard Bible has a footnote on this passage, which reads:“The feast of first fruits involved presenting to the Lord a sheaf (lit. an omer) of the barley harvest . . . First fruits symbolized the consecration of the entire harvest to God and was an earnest, or pledge, of the full harvest yet to be gathered.”Only barley could have been used, because the wheat had not yet ripened at Passover in that part of the world.There is an Old Testament story that shows this as well. Recall that in the days of Moses, God put ten plagues upon Egypt before Pharaoh allowed Israel to leave. Israel finally left the day after the tenth plague, and this came to be celebrated as the feast of Passover. The seventh plague to come upon Egypt shortly before Passover was the hail. The Bible tells us that the hail destroyed the barley, becauseit had already eared out (ripened), but the wheat was not destroyed, because it had not ripened yet. Exodus 9:31 and 32 says,31 Now the flax and the barley were ruined, for the barley was in the ear and the flax was in bud. 32 But the wheat and the spelt were not ruined, for they ripen late.A footnote in the NASV comments on this:“The wheat and spelt (an inferior kind of wheat) were not harmed at this time because they ripen a month or so later.”So we see that the wheat ripened later around the time of Pentecost. Just as barley was offered to God on the first day of the week after Passover, so also was wheat offered on Pentecost seven weeks later. This is made clear in Exodus 34:22, which reads,22 And you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. The grapes ripened at the end of the growing season, in late summer. The grapes were harvested and thrown into the winepresses to be trodden down, and the juice was collected. On each of the seven days of the feast of Tabernacles a pitcher of grape juice from this harvest was poured out before the Lord as a drink offering in the temple (Lev. 23:27).And so we see there were three main feast days of Israel: Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Each of these called for temple ceremonies involving a different product of the harvest: barley, wheat, and grapes. The first two are grain; the last is a fruit. These are harvest festivals at the three times in the year when all the males were to stand before the presence (“face”) of God. These three festivals are prophetic of the “harvest of souls,” where the divine command goes forth for men to stand before God.Take your time Lookin'4wardtoHeaven and mediate upon thescripture that God has given us. It actually took about three yearsto fully understand the feast days by the Spirit. I am still a long wayfrom understanding the full measure of this exciting revelation butGod want's us to restore the feast within us.Zechariah 14:16 says,And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.17And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.Logabe
 

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In order to understand the booths "Lookin'4wardtoheaven" we need to goback to the three main feasts. On the personal side, Passover signifies our Justification from the bondage of sin (“Egypt”). Pentecost signifies our Sanctification by the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Tabernacles signifies our Glorification at “the redemption of our body” (Romans 8:23), when we inherit our “Promised Land.”This third and final feast is what we are waiting for. Most Christians call thisTabernacles experience "the rapture" but it is actually when we trade our imperfectbooth (house) for a perfect house. Know you not, that your BODY is the TEMPLE of the Holy Ghost [1st Cor. 3:16]. God didn't want us to think we were in the Promise Land while we are in this temporary house. As I said in the last post, He wants usto understand this state of being is temporary and we must carry Joseph's boneswhile we are in this fallen state.Jesus said, I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly. He wasspeaking of the appointed time when we would receive that immortal body from above. Rom. 8:11 says,But if the Spirit (TRUTH) of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken (make alive) your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.Logabe
I agree with your post up uto this point I have quoted above all this is from where scripture or men????????? Passover signafies Justification sense when ???????
 

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Your reasons for these feasts are for the most part not true Passover in a New Testament view is about our redemtion by the blood of the lamd it has nothing to do with justification ..we are justified for nothing ..we are saved by Grace because our true Passover Lamb, Jesus Christ The New Testament veiw of Passover is a memorial of the death of Jesus Christ as the true Passover Lamb. his sacrifice makes possible the forgiveness of our sins. By partaking of the Passover symbols of bread and wine, we are proclaiming our continual faith in Jesus' sacrifice."Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us." (1 Corinthians 5:7). " The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world " (John 1:29)! " Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. " (1 Peter1:18-19).I would suggest Logabe you study true meanings of these feasts and not study them through the filter of where ever you get your doctrinewhich as far as Im concerned mixes so much fact and fiction it should be avoided like the plague
 

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Krissie, what part of Passover you don't understand. You are saved byfaith in the Lamb of God. Don't you remember when the Israelites killeda Passover Lamb in Egypt. They believed what God said and they werespared or passed over by the death angel. When we believe on the Lamb of God, we are justified because we believe.What happened in Egypt was a type and shadow of our salvation. We are justified when we believe in the Lamb of God and what He done on thecross. Most of us don't have any problem with justication but the struggle comeswhen God brings us into the wilderness to be sanctified. It's called Pentecost,and it is where God begins to write His Laws in our hearts. It is where Israeltold Moses to hear God for them and tell them what God said. In other words,they wanted their preacher to hear because they thought they would die if they heard God for themselves.So Krissie, I said all that to say, we are saved when we believe but in order to qualify for the first ressurection we must be sanctified and that only happens whenwe begin to drink that cup that Jesus was talking about. We must be chastised bythe Lord for the purpose of correction because God Loves us and He doesn't wantus to act like a rebellious child. Hope I answered your question.Logabe
 

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...I would suggest Logabe you study true meanings of these feasts and not study them through the filter of where ever you get your doctrinewhich as far as Im concerned mixes so much fact and fiction it should be avoided like the plague
Christina, forget it, he ain't going to listen anytime to God anytime soon...
 

Christina

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Again you mix fact and fiction we are redeemed by Grace not Justifcation ... Yes I understand passover and the feasts just fine am even a student of them and you are adding what isnt there ...