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Anthony D'Arienzo

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My point is still the same, Anthony. If you plan to move towards exposing false doctrine and reconciliation, I recommend you use compassionate mercy, which is what Jesus offers to you and me.
Oz, I have no problem with that.
However this man is unrepentant. He is doing intentional evil.
It must be stopped.
 

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...If you plan to move towards exposing false doctrine and reconciliation, I recommend you use compassionate mercy, which is what Jesus offers to you and me.
This is a good point.

While I believe a paticular method is proper it is up to me to express my view and guard against false doctrine within those for whom I am responsible (we are commanded not to "judge the servant of Another).

In dealing with things we speak of doctrine, not against other people. We are commanded not to keep a record of wrongs (real or imagined).

When we start arguing past doctrine we engage ad hominem. This is never appropriate. Sometimes I think people just want an enemy so they create one, I suppose to "fight" without entering the real fight before us. Our struggle is not with flesh and blood and God never blesses disobedience.

Also, just because I think the "literal method" is correct does not mean I try to force it on other people. I can actually see a value in the justification some use for the "liberal method" but at the same time I personally see it as dangerous.
 
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That does not tell specifics of his intentional evil.
Yes. I, for one, would like to see where John said he hated Calvinists. I honestly can't imagine him saying that. Sure, I can see anyone saying they hate the tenants of Calvinism, but not that they hate the actual people in that type of church. You have only six more days, Tony, until your "spanking" is over, and you can go back on BB. Will we see fully quoted textual proof then?
 
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Yes. I, for one, would like to see where John said he hated Calvinists. I honestly can't imagine him saying that. Sure, I can see anyone saying they hate the tenants of Calvinism, but not that they hate the actual people in that type of church. You have only six more days until your "spanking" is over, and you can go back on BB. Will we see fully quoted textual proof then?
I’m afraid you’re all going to be disappointed.

I do not hate people, much less hate people for their understanding of predestination (or their eschatology, their ecclesiological leanings, or even their political affiliations).

I do not believe that one can be a Christian and hate other people, regardless of the correctness of the theology they hold. It is not for hate that Christ died – it was to free us from the bondage of sin and death. It is not for hate we were saved. We were saved to do Kingdom (God's Kingdom) work. Hatred for one another is sin and death.

Whether we hate someone for their theological leanings or we hate someone for a wrong (real or imagined), that is “walking in darkness” and it is dangerous.
 
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I find a conceptual study of the Bible is important. In understanding "The Spiritual," there are layers to the Spiritual like layers in the Atmosphere. In interpreting the Bible, and understanding allegories, someone may need a Conceptual Study of the Bible. Without the Spirit of God, and a more conceptual study, someone may have a hard time understanding The Prophets and God for example.

A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (1 Corinthians 11:7)

Man is made in the image and Glory of God. That may be a particular concept with cause and effect to it. Given someone studied someone like Saint Patrick, Saint Patrick went into pagan Ireland. What were the pagans there doing and why, and how did Saint Patrick counter them? In answering these question, someone may need to understand the concept of "Man is made in the image and Glory of God." The Pagans would do things to put a man in a dishonorable or sexually submissive position in a way to bring shame and dishonor "man made in the image and glory of God." That would be demonic.

News Article: Hofstra Fraternity Accused of Sickening Hazing Rituals.

In the news article, what is going on, and why would someone do that to another man? With an understanding of the concept of "Man is made in the image and Glory of God" without knowing anything other than what was provided in the article, I would postulate with God that there were, or have been Satanists and demonically possessed people associated with said fraternity, and am probably right. They seemed to be doing very specific things to "shame and dishonor" man made in the image and Glory of God.

Eye of the Needle.

What does it mean to go through the Eye of the Needle? Joseph and Daniel were both made slaves, and lost everything they had. They had nothing. They had to learn to lean on God. Joseph and Daniel had nothing, they learn to lean on God, and God built them back up. We read the New Testament from an Old Testament Understanding. An understanding of The Prophets is important.

Prophets and God and Allegories

The Question: Dwelling on The Law of the Lord, why did the Prophets do some of the things they did?

Related: "Applying Allegorical Interpretation of The Bible - Living Dead"

The Prophets in the Old Testament, working for God, did somethings that their contemporaries may have seen as odd.

- Ezekiel laid on his side for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem. (Ezekiel 4)

- Isaiah walked three years naked. (Isaiah 20)

- Jeremiah walked with an Ox Yoke. (Jeremiah 27)

- Breaks staffs over knees. (Zechariah 11)

In studying the Old Testament Prophets, God was instructing them to give allegories, and do specific things in front of people to be seen. Why?

Man is made in the image of God. What man does reflects. A man working in obedience to God, may be giving God authority on Earth to act, and/or setting something in the principalities.

In the Principalities or Spiritual there may have been specific things set. There may be laws. There are concepts, ideas, or things. Slavery, for example, may be a concept in the principalities. Slavery may be like a coin or it may have some Angel or being associated with it. This concept can be turned different ways. It doesn't matter how someone views the concept in terms of liking it or hating it. The concept is part of creation. Someone could be a slave to sin and their passions. There is Freedom in the Lord. Someone may be like a slave to a man as a private property. Someone on Probation, in Jail, on Welfare or unemployment, may be a slave to the State. Communism is a form of Slavery where man has no personal property, and whose person is owned by the State. Feminists used to call Christian marriage like Slavery. "50 Shades of Grey" came out with the lead male character named Christian. A man's heart may be chained to past loves in some sort of bondage. There is the song "Unchain my Heart." The concepts and ideas in the principalities are tied together or related. A man experiences Freedom in The Lord.

In the Principalities their are concepts or ideas. God may have a specific definition for a variety of things. God gives Ezekiel specific instructions in Ezekiel 4. Everything Ezekiel did may of had specific allegorical meaning as related to something in the spiritual. Man is made in the image of God or "our image." What man does may reflect.

Mankind as God's Vineyard
The Allegory of Mankind as God's Vineyard is used a number of times in the Bible. This is tied to the Ritual of Communion. Man would be like grapes in a vineyard. They are attached by The Spirit of God or vine. Christians are a Body of Christ. They are attached through the blood or the vine. Jesus is the vine, The Father the gardener.

(Isaiah 63:1-6)

(Luke 20:9-19)

(John 15:1-17)

God has had me use songs to display certain things for him. There is a song "Heard it Through the Grapevine." What does "Heard it Through the Grapevine" mean? On a physical level, it may mean that gossip is going up or down the grapevine and people are talking. On a Spiritual Level, someone may be standing in the Council of the Lord. It may mean he has ears to hear, and he is hearing what the Spirit is saying to the Churches. (Mark 4:9)(Revelation 2:29) God has had me give two songs for this. We have:

"Heard it Through The Grapevine"

and

"Private Eyes"

Somewhere I heard once that "The Eyes are mirrors into the soul." Working for God, that concept suddenly went off like a light in my head. Someone sees a prophet break a staff over his knee? He sees Jeremiah walking around with an Ox Yoke. The eyes have said to be mirrors into the soul. That is going down the grapevine? The last King of Judah had his children killed before him. He was blinded. (2 Kings 25:7)

I don't that the following song is right, but it did display the concept of Eyes being Mirrors into the soul towards some purpose.

"In and out of Love."

Theological or Spiritual Concepts that we went over:

Man is made in the image of God.

What man does is a reflection.

Man working in obedience to God giving authority to act.

Mankind as God's Vineyard.

Eyes are mirrors into the soul.


 

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That does not tell specifics of his intentional evil.
When I can get online I can give you page after page of this.
On baptistboard I started a thread on Apostolic Uniqueness. In the first few posts I stated the teaching.
Read through the thread. By post number 41 he has suggested several errors , none of which I ever posted, none of which I believe.
He states them as if they are true, when in reality he has made them up.
Read the thread,look what he accuses me of, and notice I never taught any of it.
 

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I have a feeling this is going to turn out to be just like when Trump was recently accused of calling the "Whistle Blower" a spy.
In actuality, he never said that. He said that the W.H. Staff who gave the Whistle Blower details they were not authorized to divulge were acting as spies.
I suspect this is a case of Tony taking personally, John's probable criticism of the doctrine of Calvinism.
 
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Yes. I, for one, would like to see where John said he hated Calvinists. I honestly can't imagine him saying that. Sure, I can see anyone saying they hate the tenants of Calvinism, but not that they hate the actual people in that type of church. You have only six more days, Tony, until your "spanking" is over, and you can go back on BB. Will we see fully quoted textual proof then?
Yes...I will show the ones JonC has not deleted.
Call me Willie T and I can let you see for yourself what he does...I will walk you through it.
Again, the friction is not doctrinal but rather his consistent evil false witness.
 
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I have a feeling this is going to turn out to be just like when Trump was recently accused of calling the "Whistle Blower" a spy.
In actuality, he never said that. He said that the W.H. Staff who gave the Whistle Blower details they were not authorized to divulge were acting as spies.
I suspect this is a case of Tony taking personally, John's probable criticism of the doctrine of Calvinism.
LOL....yes. A lot of "tweets" I probably should have kept to myself but nothing substantial to the charge.

If the "proof" comes it will be a smear tactic/ smoke screen or nothing but a liberal interpretation of what was actually said.

There are more important things we should be doing....like praying the Braves win this Wednesday.
 
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Yes...I will show the ones JonC has not deleted.
Call me Willie T and I can let you see for yourself what he does...I will walk you through it.
Again, the friction is not doctrinal but rather his consistent evil false witness.
No thank you. I have no desire to be on a Denominationally specific Board. I can wait six days.
 

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No thank you. I have no desire to be on a Denominationally specific Board. I can wait six days.
You can purchase "non-baptist offsets" through the SBC, then I can get you a "honorary baptist" card if you'd like. Let me know and I'll give you the address to send the money. :D
 
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I just spent some time looking around on BB. About the only one there who really stands out with a bad attitude seems to be a poster called, *Iconoclast*.
 
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In what way did he have a bad attitude?
Did you read the thread I mentioned to you,Willie T?
It seems to be a difficult site for me to navigate as a 'guest'. So, I just "SEARCHED" for any threads pertaining to JonC that had the word "hate" in them. As for this *Iconoclast* person, most all of his posts seemed combative and negative.
 

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It seems to be a difficult site for me to navigate as a 'guest'. So, I just "SEARCHED" for any threads pertaining to JonC that had the word "hate" in them. As for this *Iconoclast* person, most all of his posts seemed combampleative and negative.
Yeah,lol. No specific example though?
Yes, I can see you are really interested in the facts,lol.
You knew how to search, but not enough to search for the title I gave you.
I am sure you are sincere.
 
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A specific example did not prevent a member from claiming I stated that I hate Calvinists.

Make a charge and then try to prove it. That is the way of the world I guess.

We need to take care that we do not expect of others what proves beyond our own reach.
 
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A specific example did not prevent a member from claiming I stated that I hate Calvinists.

We need to take care that we do not expect of others what proves beyond our own reach.
JonC,
Why not restore your deleted post here so we can see how you expressed your love for the Calvinist brethren
 
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