Simple Obedience

(Copper25;65528)
John 15:22) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.John 15:23) He that hateth me hateth my Father alsoHow many people choose to live their life in sin, rebelling against God. What they have is what they can’t see, death. “for to be carnally minded is death” Romans 8:7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.)) When people choose to be sinful, that is the carnal mind, sin is rebellion, but when someone chooses not to sin and submit to God, they can become spiritually pleasing to God. Our body is a living sacrifice to God and just as in the old testament, God demands a sacrifice without blemish or spot. Roman 12:1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.)) This is not optional. Has anything that God commanded been optional? This is where people stumble, they think obedience is optional, a choice, or a matter of their decision in their Christian walk, but it is the opposite. Mandatory, God’s commandments are to be kept. Mandatory, we are to avoid and flee from sin. Mandatory, are we suppose to reject all ways of evil. Psalm 119:104) Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.)) People, my fellow Christians, to know what to hate, the things of the sinful nature, ways of falsehood, and evil, we need to lean to the word of God. Too many people have forsaken the truth because it is not convenient, or it is not the right time like Felix when he spoke with Paul, or how Martha, when she was entertaining the Lord, but did not sit down to hear his word, that one thing which is needful. Believe not everything that man tells you, but believe and listen to everything that God tells you in the word. This is how we are suppose to live. “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God”. This is it, the truth and nothing less. It is time to listen and heed the word of God. This is our purpose in life, that we “Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man”, nothing more, nothing less. Keep God’s commandments and obey his word. The choice is yours, what are you going to do, fight the word, looking for technicalities, or will you stand steadfast in the word of God? The choice is yours and no one else’s to make. It is time to rise into truth and reject falsehood and evil, and reach for Christ while there is still time “with all your heart”, soul, and mind.
I'm I to conclude that you do all these things? When you look into a mirrow don't you see a person that sins just like all the rest of us?Under grace our obedience is to believe, place our faith, trust and confidence in what God (Jesus) did on the cross. Since we believe in His work we have our cloak that covers all our sins and it isn't a cloak that we have made.John 15:22) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. ---- He was talking about un-believers.Richard

The Obedience of Faith: (Obedient to the faith, Acts 6:7)In the following study we will see what "obedience to the faith" is.Matthew 6:28-29, below, indicates that our work of faith is to believe in Jesus Christ.Mathew 6:28-29 (NKJV)28 Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" 29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."Acts 6:7, below, refers to some of the Jewish "priests as being obedient to the faith." Of course it means that they believed the gospel regarding the death and resurrection of Jesus.Acts 6:7 (NKJ)7 Then the word of God spread, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were obedient to the faith.Romans 6:17, below, again is in reference to the belief of the Christians in Rome, both Jews and Gentiles by saying they "obeyed" the doctrine that Paul taught them; That doctrine concerning the dying of Jesus on the cross for our sins and His resurrection from the dead which confirmed that He (Jesus) was sent by God.Rom 6:17 (NKJ)17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.Romans 11:30-32, below, describes the situation of the Jews as that of "disobedient" as were the Gentiles prior to believing the gospel. The KJV says they were "unbelieving." The words "unbelieving" and "disobedient" are chosen by different translators to represent the same Greek word. Rom 11:30-32 (NKJ)30 For as you (Gentiles) were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their (the Jews) disobedience,31 even so these (Jews) also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you (Gentiles) they (the Jews) also may obtain mercy.32 For God has committed them all (Jews and Gentiles) to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.Rom 11:30-32 (KJV)30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.The above scriptures are a few of those that teach the obedience of faith is about faith in Christ (Faith in His work on the cross), rather than Decalogue (the ten commandments) observance. Legalists think this is no problem. They simply reason that the Jews were disobedient because they retained the law ""without"" Christ. Legalists feel they have remedied this: they have retained the law ""with Christ."" Thus legalists define faith as ""inclusive"" of the law, when the Bible defines it as ""exclusive"" of the law - ("The law is not of faith, Gal. 3:11-12 below").Gal 3:11-12 (NKJ)11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."One would be hard-pressed to identify a more central error in the mind of the legalist than recursively: submission/inclusion of Christian principles to/within a legal construct, and redefinition of the whole as Christianity.One of the most striking definitions of the "obedience of faith" is found in Romans 10:16. It is a parallelism equating "belief" with "obey [ing]" the gospel. Rom 10:16 (NKJ)16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"The Law is not of Faith; That is, disobedience's being defined as disbelief, produces the paradox that to obey the law, is to disobey God. For our obeying the Law is self-usurping Christ's work on the cross. In other words Jesus was the only one that actually kept the law.In John 3:17-18 John wrote that the sin, which condemns, is the sin of "unbelief." John also wrote what Jesus said in John 16:8-9 below.John 3:17-18 (NKJ)17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.John 16:8-9 (NKJ)8 "And when He has come (The Holy Spirit), He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:9 "of sin, because they do not believe in Me;So we see that obedience of Faith is not the same as obedience to the Jewish Law. Obedience to the faith is placing your faith, trust, confidence and hope in what Jesus (God) did on the cross.--- let me say it another way, today, we are obedient when we place our faith in God’s work on the cross.Another passage that destroys the myth of a law based Christian faith is found in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10 below. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10 (NKJ)8 rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus: 9 who shall suffer punishment, even eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at in all them that believed (because our testimony unto you was believed) in that day. Note that those who "obey not the gospel" in verse 8 are contrasted with those "who believe" in verse 10. This is important.I seem to have left out these two other scriptures that support what I am saying in this article.Rom 1:1-91 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures,3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ; 7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. NKJVTheir faith, not their works (verse 8)Rom 16:25-27 NKJV25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith —27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.No one can say I didn't quote scripture!Richard

I understand what Copper25 is saying. From what I understand he says we Christians need to obey God and his commandments. Obedience to God is not an option but mandatory. Sometimes people teach the whole subject of grace in an incorrect way (false grace) Although God gives us grace that does not mean we must use it as a licene or excuse to sin and live any which way we want to. When we do not obey God know that there is always always a consequence to it. I don't know why often times people love to discard the old testament (which is very very important) when Jesus Christ himself clearly stated that he came to fulfill the laws not abolish it.Romans 6 verses 1-23[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.[8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:[9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.[10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?[17] But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.[18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.[19] I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.Matthew 5 verses 17-1817] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Gal.5[14] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.