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Although I reject the ULI of Calvinism, there are many dimensions to its teaching I accept.
One cannot in good conscience accept parts of TULIP and reject other parts. They all stand and fall together. If the Atonement is limited, then they all fit. But if the Atonement is unlimited (which it is) then they are all false.
 

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Oz,

Yea I have heard of them... Don't need them but they are useful.

The Bible has already been successfully translated into English. Folks who like to dwell over Greek and Hebrew definitions of words often are just trying to get out of doing what the Bible says. It gives them wiggle room.

Of course, you are the exeption. You would never do that, would you?

Sarcasm! :rolleyes:

Of course, you didn't respond to what I wrote about the content of Hebrew and English words, including etymology, through the Greek and Hebrew word studies.

Do you read OT Hebrew and NT Greek. Do you know the grammar and syntax of these languages?
 

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I hadn't heard that Norman Geisler had passed away...

farouk,

Dr Geisler passed away on 1 July from a stroke.

Ravi Zacharias spoke at the funeral/memorial service. His eulogy is in video HERE. What Ravi said brought me to tears as he described the warrior, Dr Norman Leo Geisler.

Blessings,
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One cannot in good conscience accept parts of TULIP and reject other parts. They all stand and fall together. If the Atonement is limited, then they all fit. But if the Atonement is unlimited (which it is) then they are all false.

Enoch,

I understand what you say but I don't agree. I can accept total depravity and perseverance of the saints because I understand the free will God has given to us (Ac 16:31), the grace extended to all (Titus 2:11), God's drawing all, as a result of Calvary (Jn 12:32), and offer to whoever believes (Jn 3:16).

God has given us the ability of contrary choice. We can choose not to accept the wonderful offer of salvation (Rom 1:18) and in the OT (Josh 24:15).

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I assume all of you Calvinists have John Calvin's FOUR BOOKS OF THE INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION. (It kind of goes without saying you would have a copy.)

I do too. But I have something more some of you might not have, and I thought I would offer it here... for anyone who would like to have it. It's kind of convenient. (These were kindly furnished by the Rev. William Pringle of Auchterarder.)

ONE HUNDRED APHORISMS,
CONTAINING, WITHIN A NARROW COMPASS, THE SUBSTANCE AND ORDER OF THE FOUR BOOKS OF THE INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION.

PM me if you would like a free copy.
 
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Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the (spoken) words of God. Without the power gifts of the Spirit, we cannot hear God.
Well, sure... That's true to an extent. Actually we cannot hear God without a preacher.

Now that you know all this about grace, I find it strange you still don't believe grace covers all sins.
 
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This says it a bit clearer.
Romans 10:17 The Passion Translation (TPT)
17 Faith, then, is birthed in a heart that responds to God’s anointed utterance of the Anointed One.

But, be aware and forewarned that "faith" is not just some religious sentiment. Faith is everywhere, and in all things. "Faith" does not always mean "Faith in God." You place faith in your local traffic officials every day when you breeze right through a green light..... having total "faith" that the light is RED for the other drivers. All the people who followed various False Prophets to their own suicides (Jamestown, et al) had complete faith in what they were doing.
That verse ADDS that the faith we choose to follow needs to come from one source only... the word of God...….. Jesus. (No, not just faith in "anything" we can locate somewhere in a book called, The Bible, but in the words Jesus spoke.)
 
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Enoch,

I understand what you say but I don't agree. I can accept total depravity and perseverance of the saints because I understand the free will God has given to us (Ac 16:31), the grace extended to all (Titus 2:11), God's drawing all, as a result of Calvary (Jn 12:32), and offer to whoever believes (Jn 3:16).

God has given us the ability of contrary choice. We can choose not to accept the wonderful offer of salvation (Rom 1:18) and in the OT (Josh 24:15).

Oz
If man is born with a totally depraved nature how then can he have free will? His depraved nature controls his choices, a totally depraved nature would prevent him from being able to choose to accept the 'wonderful offer of salvation'.

Free will is simply having the ability to choose between two or more options. A totally depraved nature dictates what a man can or cannot choose preventing man from having the ability to choose to do well leaving him only to do that which is not well, Genesis 4:7
 

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True. We have to recognize that ONLY Jesus can save us.



Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the (spoken) words of God. Without the power gifts of the Spirit, we cannot hear God. Faith is one of the gifts of Spirit. It is more powerful than the measure of faith given to all people to repent unto Christ.
Indeed, we can't come to Christ in faith in the energy of the flesh.
 
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Well, sure... That's true to an extent. Actually we cannot hear God without a preacher.

Now that you know all this about grace, I find it strange you still don't believe grace covers all sins.

You still don't understand the POWER of the baptism of the Holy Spirit which you wouldn't being Calvinist. It's not your fault. Don't you understand that we are cleansed of our PAST sins, and then given power to have no desire to commit willful sin ever again? That is ALL sin.

That doesn't make us perfect; we still have to grow in the fruit of the Spirit. We will still commit trespasses against one another, but if we walk in the Spirit according to 1 John 1:7, we keep fellowship with one another, forgiving each other our trespasses against each other, and the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our trespasses. This is more advanced, but all you need to know right now is when baptized with the Holy Spirit that takes care of present and future willful sins. Learning the difference between sins unto death, and sins NOT unto death is still advanced, and I don't think you are ready for it. It goes against Calvinism teachings.

As for spoken words, the gifts of the Holy Spirit once baptized with the Holy Spirit allow us to actually hear God, not just men.
 

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You still don't understand the POWER of the baptism of the Holy Spirit which you wouldn't being Calvinist. It's not your fault. Don't you understand that we are cleansed of our PAST sins, and then given power to have no desire to commit willful sin ever again? That is ALL sin.

1. I am not a Calvinist.
2. We get back to the original question, what is different about Jesus' death and that of a bull or bullock?
3. This ridiculous notion that we are given power to have no desire is a load of bull pucky! If you are going to tell me that you no longer have any desire to sin than I am going to flat out state you are a liar. If you really do have no desire to sin than you are the only one in the history of the world.
4. So we have grace but still must keep the law then? That's ridiculous.


Romans 4:8 Blessed is that man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

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1. I am not a Calvinist.

Good, but you believe like one.

2. We get back to the original question, what is different about Jesus' death and that of a bull or bullock?

Bulls and goats only covered sins, but they remained. Only Christ's blood actually takes away the sin completely.

3. This ridiculous notion that we are given power to have no desire is a load of bull pucky! If you are going to tell me that you no longer have any desire to sin than I am going to flat out state you are a liar. If you really do have no desire to sin than you are the only one in the history of the world.

As I said, you sound like a Calvinist. Not ready for advanced theology. How's that milk tasting? "14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

4. So we have grace but still must keep the law then? That's ridiculous.

The Law was the Law of "sin and death," 2 Corinthians 3 calls it the ministry of death. No we are not under the Law. We are under the law of the SPIRIT of life in Christ, that has set us free of the law of sin and death. Romans 8:2. But you have to be baptized in the Spirit to relate to this. We keep deeper laws than the superficial laws of sin and death that made no man righteous.
 

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Good, but you believe like one.



Bulls and goats only covered sins, but they remained. Only Christ's blood actually takes away the sin completely.



As I said, you sound like a Calvinist. Not ready for advanced theology. How's that milk tasting? "14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."



The Law was the Law of "sin and death," 2 Corinthians 3 calls it the ministry of death. No we are not under the Law. We are under the law of the SPIRIT of life in Christ, that has set us free of the law of sin and death. Romans 8:2. But you have to be baptized in the Spirit to relate to this. We keep deeper laws than the superficial laws of sin and death that made no man righteous.


When you say we are not under the law here, but earlier you said we were not to sin "wilfully" (and more shockingly, not to forgive other people's willfully sins) and that Jesus's death only covers past sins there is a contradiction. Stop sinning? That basically demands we follow the law.

If you keep one point of the law, you are in debt to the whole law.

Now under the new covenant things have changed and yes, we are now under the Law of Christ. That is not in question. It comes down to what Jesus said in Mat 22:37 and 38. However, this notion that we must stop sinning or that the holy spirit gives us power to stop sinning is foolish.
 

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When you say we are not under the law here, but earlier you said we were not to sin "wilfully" (and more shockingly, not to forgive other people's willfully sins) and that Jesus's death only covers past sins there is a contradiction. Stop sinning? That basically demands we follow the law.

Hi Clint,

Matthew 6:14-15
14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Matthew 18:
15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector."

Matthew 18:
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.

The type of sin a "debt" is, is a "trespass." They are not willful sins, but unintentional. The servant found himself not able to repay the debt when promised. Because we know that this type of sin is not unto death, as is a willful sin, this is to be forgiven according to Matthew 6:14-15.

You are still in kindergarten and believe "sin is sin." You are not taught the advanced theology that there are different types of sin - sins unto death (willful), and sins not unto death (unintentional debts and trespasses). Even Catholics know that. But everything you have said is straight out of the Reformation - the dead church. The truth is just foolishness to you even though Scripture is blatantly clear. And you dare mock the truth. 1 John 3:5 "Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY OUR SIN, and in Him there is no sin." You probably believe we will always sin, even though the born again nature is divine due to the seed of the Father. 1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

God, Himself, does not forgive willful sin without repentance. Are we commanded to do something He won't do? If a murderer asks forgiveness, God will forgive Him, and so must we.

If you keep one point of the law, you are in debt to the whole law.

Galatians 5:2-4
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

James 2:8-13
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

We are not under the Mosaic laws, so if we believe we must be circumcised, that is a false teaching and we have fallen from grace. We are under the Law of Liberty. Jesus has freed us from the law, by giving us the ability to love our neighbors as ourselves through the baptism of the Holy Spirit who does not lead us into any evil. If you love someone, what old commandment are you able to break? Murder? No. Theft? No Adultery? No. Those are not the laws that if we keep we must keep the whole law as in Galatians 5. These are "moral" laws, or the "royal law." Circumcision is not a moral law, but a foreshadowing law that is fulfilled in Christ. If you still think you need to be circumcised or keep the Sabbath day (Saturday) to be saved, then you are bypassing Jesus and have fallen from His grace, and then must keep the whole old law.

Here are the commandments of the New Covenant:

1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

If you hate your brother, that is the same as murder and you are breaking the whole law.

Now under the new covenant things have changed and yes, we are now under the Law of Christ. That is not in question. It comes down to what Jesus said in Mat 22:37 and 38. However, this notion that we must stop sinning or that the holy spirit gives us power to stop sinning is foolish.

The carnal person does sin. They can't stop. They have never been born again. I can't help it that false teachers got to you before you could understand the Scriptures, but read the truth.

John 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. (What false teachers teach, is that we are only free of the law, but Jesus means He frees us from committing willful sin.)

1 John 3:5-6
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

1 John 3:9
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (the seed is given at the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and we cannot sin.)

Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
 
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If man is born with a totally depraved nature how then can he have free will? His depraved nature controls his choices, a totally depraved nature would prevent him from being able to choose to accept the 'wonderful offer of salvation'.

Free will is simply having the ability to choose between two or more options. A totally depraved nature dictates what a man can or cannot choose preventing man from having the ability to choose to do well leaving him only to do that which is not well, Genesis 4:7

Ernest,

I don't understand total depravity that way.


Total Depravity (the T in FACTS) [Cf. Article 3 of the 5 Articles of the Remonstrance]

Humanity was created in the image of God, good and upright, but fell from its original sinless state through willful disobedience, leaving humanity in the state of total depravity, sinful, separated from God, and under the sentence of divine condemnation (Rom 3:23; 6:23; Eph 2:1-3).

Total depravity does not mean that human beings are as bad as they could be, but that sin impacts every part of a person’s being and that people now have a sinful nature with a natural inclination toward sin. Human beings are fundamentally corrupt at heart. As Scripture tells us, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick” (Jer 17:9; cf. Gen 6:5; Matt 19:17; Luke 11:13).

Indeed, human beings are spiritually dead in sins (Eph 2:1-3; Col 2:13) and are slaves to sin (Rom 6:17-20). The Apostle Paul even says, “I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh” (Rom 7:18). Elsewhere he testifies, “as it is written: ‘None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one’ ” (Rom 3:10-12; cf. Rom 1:18-32; Eph 4:17-22).

In their natural state, human beings are hostile toward God and cannot submit to his Law nor please him (Rom 8:7-8). Thus, human beings are not able to think, will, nor do anything good in and of themselves. We are unable do anything that merits favor from God and we cannot do anything to save ourselves from the judgment and condemnation of God that we deserve for our sin. We cannot even believe the gospel on our own (John 6:44). If anyone is to be saved, God must take the initiative.​

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Ernest,

I don't understand total depravity that way.


Total Depravity (the T in FACTS) [Cf. Article 3 of the 5 Articles of the Remonstrance]

Humanity was created in the image of God, good and upright, but fell from its original sinless state through willful disobedience, leaving humanity in the state of total depravity, sinful, separated from God, and under the sentence of divine condemnation (Rom 3:23; 6:23; Eph 2:1-3).

Total depravity does not mean that human beings are as bad as they could be, but that sin impacts every part of a person’s being and that people now have a sinful nature with a natural inclination toward sin. Human beings are fundamentally corrupt at heart. As Scripture tells us, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick” (Jer 17:9; cf. Gen 6:5; Matt 19:17; Luke 11:13).

Indeed, human beings are spiritually dead in sins (Eph 2:1-3; Col 2:13) and are slaves to sin (Rom 6:17-20). The Apostle Paul even says, “I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh” (Rom 7:18). Elsewhere he testifies, “as it is written: ‘None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one’ ” (Rom 3:10-12; cf. Rom 1:18-32; Eph 4:17-22).

In their natural state, human beings are hostile toward God and cannot submit to his Law nor please him (Rom 8:7-8). Thus, human beings are not able to think, will, nor do anything good in and of themselves. We are unable do anything that merits favor from God and we cannot do anything to save ourselves from the judgment and condemnation of God that we deserve for our sin. We cannot even believe the gospel on our own (John 6:44). If anyone is to be saved, God must take the initiative.​

Oz

The WCF says of total depravity:

Chapter 6:
II. By this sin they fell from their original righteousness and communion with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.

III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.

IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.



Chapter 9:
III. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation: so as, a natural man, being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.

IV. When God converts a sinner, and translates him into the state of grace, He freeth him from his natural bondage under sin; and, by His grace alone, enables him freely to will and to do that which is spiritually good; yet so, as that by reason of his remaining corruption, he doth not perfectly, nor only, will that which is good, but doth also will that which is evil.

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You posted "In their natural state, human beings are hostile toward God and cannot submit to his Law nor please him." Man then has no free will to choose to submit to God's law.

You posted "We cannot even believe the gospel on our own (John 6:44)." Then man has no free will to choose to believe what he has heard (Romans 10:17). Many verses command men to believe and men could not choose to obey that command.

Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Verses do speak to the fact man has a deceitful wicked heart yet no verse says he was born with a wicked, deceitful heart. Men have wicked hearts by choice, not passively born that away against their will.
 
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Hi Clint,

Matthew 6:14-15
14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Matthew 18:
15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector."

Matthew 18:
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.

The type of sin a "debt" is, is a "trespass." They are not willful sins, but unintentional. The servant found himself not able to repay the debt when promised. Because we know that this type of sin is not unto death, as is a willful sin, this is to be forgiven according to Matthew 6:14-15.

You are still in kindergarten and believe "sin is sin." You are not taught the advanced theology that there are different types of sin - sins unto death (willful), and sins not unto death (unintentional debts and trespasses). Even Catholics know that. But everything you have said is straight out of the Reformation - the dead church. The truth is just foolishness to you even though Scripture is blatantly clear. And you dare mock the truth. 1 John 3:5 "Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY OUR SIN, and in Him there is no sin." You probably believe we will always sin, even though the born again nature is divine due to the seed of the Father. 1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

God, Himself, does not forgive willful sin without repentance. Are we commanded to do something He won't do? If a murderer asks forgiveness, God will forgive Him, and so must we.



Galatians 5:2-4
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

James 2:8-13
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

We are not under the Mosaic laws, so if we believe we must be circumcised, that is a false teaching and we have fallen from grace. We are under the Law of Liberty. Jesus has freed us from the law, by giving us the ability to love our neighbors as ourselves through the baptism of the Holy Spirit who does not lead us into any evil. If you love someone, what old commandment are you able to break? Murder? No. Theft? No Adultery? No. Those are not the laws that if we keep we must keep the whole law as in Galatians 5. These are "moral" laws, or the "royal law." Circumcision is not a moral law, but a foreshadowing law that is fulfilled in Christ. If you still think you need to be circumcised or keep the Sabbath day (Saturday) to be saved, then you are bypassing Jesus and have fallen from His grace, and then must keep the whole old law.

Here are the commandments of the New Covenant:

1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

If you hate your brother, that is the same as murder and you are breaking the whole law.



The carnal person does sin. They can't stop. They have never been born again. I can't help it that false teachers got to you before you could understand the Scriptures, but read the truth.

John 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. (What false teachers teach, is that we are only free of the law, but Jesus means He frees us from committing willful sin.)

1 John 3:5-6
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

1 John 3:9
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (the seed is given at the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and we cannot sin.)

Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
There is so much WRONG with your theology it's hard to pick a spot to start with.

Your whole practice of classifying sins as big/little, willfully/unintentional is u biblical. If you want to classify them as spiritual or carnal, it would work. But no...any small sin will damn you as much as the big ones.

All those verses you gave... They will testify against you. You are simply playing word games and it won't work with God.

You may think you have a verse about willfully sin, but you don't. You are going to find out that when your pet verse talks about sinning wilfully, its talking about sin in particular.

G"don't forgive wilfully sins and neither should we".... Gimmie a break!
 

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There is so much WRONG with your theology it's hard to pick a spot to start with.

Your whole practice of classifying sins as big/little, willfully/unintentional is u biblical. If you want to classify them as spiritual or carnal, it would work. But no...any small sin will damn you as much as the big ones.

All those verses you gave... They will testify against you. You are simply playing word games and it won't work with God.

You may think you have a verse about willfully sin, but you don't. You are going to find out that when your pet verse talks about sinning wilfully, its talking about sin in particular.

G"don't forgive wilfully sins and neither should we".... Gimmie a break!

Do you honestly believe if you willfully sin presently and don't ask for forgiveness that God automatically forgives your sin now and in the future? Show me.