Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

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ScottA

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Unfortunately, you are correct.
Her story is VERY common.

There are FAR too many lazy Catholics who are seduced out of the Church for a feel-good, “easy-believism” message that simply isn’t Biblical.

We must cooperate with God’s grace in order for it to work. It is not something that it thrust upon us against out will. It is a gift that must be received.

The cause of her being “misguided” was ignorance of her faith . . .
No, you are spinning that to favor those leaders within the church who misguided babes in the flock.

That does not mean there are not good leaders and congregations. But like her story, many just eat/ate what was put in front of them and did not question the authority of those who acted against what is called for, against Christ.
 

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And there is one big reason I left !!!!!!!!
Going to a bible Church,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!! Were I finally got a bible to read not a prayer book !
It is so good to learn What GOD is telling me !! not what a priest was telling me.....
Or back then a NUN !
 

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No, you are spinning that to favor those leaders within the church who misguided babes in the flock.

That does not mean there are not good leaders and congregations. But like her story, many just eat/ate what was put in front of them and did not question the authority of those who acted against what is called for, against Christ.
Not sure how it works in whatever sect YOU belong to – but in the Catholic Church – pastors and their associates are cycled out every few years. Unless @Grams was only a Catholic for one cycle of priests – her story doesn’t hold water. To have us believe that she was plagued by wave after wave of priests who “forbade” her from reading Scripture is nothing short of science fiction.

I suggest YOU and Grams do your homework . . .
 

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And there is one big reason I left !!!!!!!!
Going to a bible Church,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, !!!!!!!!!!!! Were I finally got a bible to read not a prayer book !
It is so good to learn What GOD is telling me !! not what a priest was telling me.....
Or back then a NUN !
Like I said - if you weren't reading the Bible back then - shame on YOU.
That's YOUR laziness - not the Church's.
 

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Like I said - if you weren't reading the Bible back then - shame on YOU.
That's YOUR laziness - not the Church's.

I am glad you belong to a good CHURCH................. BreadOfLife,,,,
But the one I grew up was NOT!

You were not there to see how it was back then................... and a lot more different goofy things !!!!!!
You do not believe me on this .......... So I will not bring up all the other goofy things..........
 

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The Church is Catholic.
All Churches are Catholic.
If any Church is not Catholic, then they are not of Jesus Christ and that's a fact.
Protestant Churches do claim to be Catholic as well.

So there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church in fact.
 
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How typically arrogant of you to assume that you automatically know everybody’s past.

It indeed is arrogance to assume to know sometimes past... Particularly in the face of that person's own testimony. And here we see an example of it....
The Church doesn't “forbid” people from reading the Scriptures – and certainly never did during her lifetime.
 

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Not sure how it works in whatever sect YOU belong to – but in the Catholic Church – pastors and their associates are cycled out every few years. Unless @Grams was only a Catholic for one cycle of priests – her story doesn’t hold water. To have us believe that she was plagued by wave after wave of priests who “forbade” her from reading Scripture is nothing short of science fiction.

I suggest YOU and Grams do your homework . . .
That's weak. You are quick to call everyone else "ignorant"--now the truth comes out. Psychological projection.
 

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Why don't all of you just Praise our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and have Faith, accept his Grace and Forgiveness, and live HAPPY for ETERNITY? Life Is Short! We will be with him tomorrow maybe? I kissed my wife tonight before bed and told her I love her and hope we see another day together. If not, just remember baby, I get the Gold Mansion on the right side of the New Heaven. A deal is a deal!! Oh Jerusalem!!! How Beautiful you will be when I walk clothed in the Glory of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!!
 

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That's weak. You are quick to call everyone else "ignorant"--now the truth comes out. Psychological projection.

He's quite right. The Church does not tell people to not read Bibles.
 

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The Church is Catholic.
All Churches are Catholic.
If any Church is not Catholic, then they are not of Jesus Christ and that's a fact.
Protestant Churches do claim to be Catholic as well.

So there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church in fact.
If by catholic you mean universal, sure. If by catholic you mean roman, no.
 
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I have no problem with ecfs, but when they contradict scripture we go with the inspired word of God, not fallible men hundreds of years later. .
Hi Nondenom,

WHO are the in-fallible men that decide when the ECF's contradicted Scripture?

Curious Mary
 

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Its clear you don't understand the difference between mediator and intercessor. They are not synonymous. So youre wrong out of the gate. There is no ministerial priesthood in the new covenant. The priesthood of believers and Jesus' high priesthood. Thats it.
Hi,

I think you are saying that we are all "priest" since we are the priesthood of believers. If I understand you correctly, I agree. However when one looks at all of Scripture instead of cherry picking certain passages we see that there is a "ministerial priesthood".

In Acts 14:23 there were elders appointed by Paul and Barnabas for each church and they committed them to the LORD. These men were CLEARLY set apart from the "priesthood of believers". So the question is HOW are these men set apart. Well, Scripture tells us HOW.

James 5:14 says that elders administer oil to those that are sick. It doesn't say the "priesthood of believers" administer the oil.

In 1 Corinthians 10:16-22 Paul talks about communion being a "sacrifice". Wouldn't the person that offers the sacrifice and administers it to the participants of the communion be engaging in a ministerial action? Clement of Rome, a student of the Apostles, makes it clear who these men are set apart.

1 Thess 5:12 tells us we are to respect and esteem very highly in love the work of those who labor among us, and have charge of you in the Lord and admonish you. These men are CLEARLY set apart from the "priesthood of believers". Part of their ministerial duties is to admonish us. If we, as "priesthood of believers", have a disagreement we are not to admonish each other. We are told to fulfill Matthew 18:17.

Hebrews 13:17 tells us to Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls. If they are our leaders that means they are set apart from the average "priesthood of believers". They are set apart because the are ministers to our souls.

Philippians 2:29 Epaphroditus is sent by Paul as a "minister" and he risked his life to make up for those services. We are told to "honor such people". Paul makes it clear Epaphroditus is being sent to serve as a minister.

In post #1858 you stated you have no problem with the ECF's but what you are saying now contradicts what the ECF's wrote/believed/practiced. How do you explain your difference with them on this matter?

Curious Mary

PS....I am sure I left out some other examples from Scripture but maybe @BreadOfLife @epostle or @Philip James could share the ones I have left out.
 

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or @Philip James could share the ones I have left out.

H Mary,

How bout this one?

1Cor4:1

Thus should one regard us: as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God

Ministers of the Divine Mysteries...

If that is not referring to the celebration of the Eucharist I'll eat my hat...;)

Peace be with you!
 
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Marymog

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But since you will rebut anyway, i might offer...ha, any number of examples, "father forgive me, for i have sinned" comes to mind, Quote that if you can, and etc.
Hi bbyrd,

How far are you thru the bible? You apparently haven't gotten to the part where Jesus gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sins.

Have you made it to 2 Cor. 2:10 or 2 Cor. 5:18-20? When you have let me know so I can point you in the direction of what the 1st century Christians practiced which is opposite of what you believe.....2,000 years later.

Should I believe what you write or what the men who walked and talked with the Apostles wrote?

Curious Mary
 

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Yehren writes:
He's quite right. The Church does not tell people to not read Bibles.

No points for double negative service.

If you're going to be a grammar Nazi, at least get it right. That's quite correct grammatically and factually. The Church has never discouraged anyone from reading scriptures.

That's called disservice.

Perhaps English is not your first language?

Disservice
noun
harmful or injurious service; an ill turn.
verb (used with object), dis·serv·iced, dis·serv·ic·ing.
to provide inadequate or faulty service to: Small shippers are most often disserviced by transportation breakdowns.

Did you possibly mean "disabuse?"

Disabuse
verb (used with object), dis·a·bused, dis·a·bus·ing.
to free (a person) from deception or error.

As in "You were disabused of the false belief that the Church tells people not to read the Bible."
 

ScottA

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Yehren writes:
He's quite right. The Church does not tell people to not read Bibles.



If you're going to be a grammar Nazi, at least get it right. That's quite correct grammatically and factually. The Church has never discouraged anyone from reading scriptures.



Perhaps English is not your first language?

Disservice
noun
harmful or injurious service; an ill turn.
verb (used with object), dis·serv·iced, dis·serv·ic·ing.
to provide inadequate or faulty service to: Small shippers are most often disserviced by transportation breakdowns.

Did you possibly mean "disabuse?"

Disabuse
verb (used with object), dis·a·bused, dis·a·bus·ing.
to free (a person) from deception or error.

As in "You were disabused of the false belief that the Church tells people not to read the Bible."
No..."disservice" is exactly perfect. And your position obvious.
 

ScottA

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It's the Christian position. It would help if you read the Bible, yourself.
That just shows how ignorant you are--you don't know me, yet you judge in error.