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I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church in 1944. When old
enough, my mom put me into Catechism where, in time. I managed to
complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. Our church attendance on
Sunday was fairly regular. We didn't always make it, but most of the time
did.

The liturgy incorporated homilies based upon the apostle Peter's epistles;
which I sort of let go in one ear and out the other. It wasn't till years later
when I caught on that Peter spoke for Christ, and that non compliance with
Peter's instructions is all the same as non compliance with Christ's; it's a
domino effect all the way to the top.

Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you;
rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

Paul's epistles have much to say about one's personal conduct, and Peter's
do too; in point of fact: quite much. I've included a few of his instructions in
this post which, if complied with, will make any Christian on either side of
aisle better people; whether Catholic or non Catholic makes no difference.

First: say hello to the apostle Peter.

2Pet 1:2 . . Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the
knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

Now please; listen to some of Peter's knowledge of God and of Jesus our
Lord.

1Pet 1:14-16. . As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former
lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called
you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written: You
shall be holy, for I am holy.

1Pet 1:17-18 . . And if you address as "Father" the one who impartially
judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves in reverential fear
during the time of your stay upon earth

1Pet 2:21-24 . . For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps . . who, when
He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not
threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously

1Pet 1:22b . . See that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

1Pet 2:1-3 . .Lay aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil
speaking;

1Pet 2:17a . . Honor all men.

1Pet 3:8b-9 . . Having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be
pitiful, be courteous; not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but
contrariwise blessing.

1Pet 3:10-11 . . Let him who means to love life and see good days refrain
his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking guile. And let him turn away
from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

2Pet 1:5-7 . . Make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to
goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control,
perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly
kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

I should think it goes without saying that Peter's knowledge of God and of
Jesus our Lord is quite useless for the purpose of obtaining grace and peace
in abundance unless it's put into practice.

Jas 1:22-25 . . Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive
yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do
what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking
at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.

. . . But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom,
and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it-- he
will be blessed in what he does. (cf. Matt 7:24-27)
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I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church in 1944. When old
enough, my mom put me into Catechism where, in time. I managed to
complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. Our church attendance on
Sunday was fairly regular. We didn't always make it, but most of the time
did.

The liturgy incorporated homilies based upon the apostle Peter's epistles;
which I sort of let go in one ear and out the other. It wasn't till years later
when I caught on that Peter spoke for Christ, and that non compliance with
Peter's instructions is all the same as non compliance with Christ's; it's a
domino effect all the way to the top.

Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you;
rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

Paul's epistles have much to say about one's personal conduct, and Peter's
do too; in point of fact: quite much. I've included a few of his instructions in
this post which, if complied with, will make any Christian on either side of
aisle better people; whether Catholic or non Catholic makes no difference.

First: say hello to the apostle Peter.

2Pet 1:2 . . Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the
knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

Now please; listen to some of Peter's knowledge of God and of Jesus our
Lord.

1Pet 1:14-16. . As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former
lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called
you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written: You
shall be holy, for I am holy.

1Pet 1:17-18 . . And if you address as "Father" the one who impartially
judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves in reverential fear
during the time of your stay upon earth

1Pet 2:21-24 . . For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps . . who, when
He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not
threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously

1Pet 1:22b . . See that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

1Pet 2:1-3 . .Lay aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil
speaking;

1Pet 2:17a . . Honor all men.

1Pet 3:8b-9 . . Having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be
pitiful, be courteous; not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but
contrariwise blessing.

1Pet 3:10-11 . . Let him who means to love life and see good days refrain
his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking guile. And let him turn away
from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

2Pet 1:5-7 . . Make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to
goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control,
perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly
kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

I should think it goes without saying that Peter's knowledge of God and of
Jesus our Lord is quite useless for the purpose of obtaining grace and peace
in abundance unless it's put into practice.

Jas 1:22-25 . . Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive
yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do
what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking
at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.

. . . But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom,
and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it-- he
will be blessed in what he does. (cf. Matt 7:24-27)
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As usual – you pervert the Catholic position because you are as ignorant of it now as you were on the day you left the Church.

First of all – NOT all of the homilies you grew up on were based on Peter’s Epistles They would be pretty limited, seeing as how Peter’s Epistles only make up a very small part of the Liturgical calendar.

Secondly – the Church doesn’t teach that Peter’s Epistles carry ANY more weight than any of the other Books of Scripture because Peter is not the Author – the Holy Spirit is.

As for your comment that Peter speaks for Christ – so do ALL of the writers of Scripture – so does the Church. In Luke 10:16, Jesus was talking to the leaders of His Church – NOT to the crowds.

You paint a false picture of a Church who follows Peter and not Christ because you fail to understand the Authority given Him – AND the Church by Christ Himself (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-22, John 21:15-19).

Instead of constantly writing posts about things you don’t understand – like the Catholic faith – stick to things that you DO understand – like how easy it is to be seduced out of the Church because of spiritual laziness and Scriptural bankruptcy . . .
 
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Yeah...you "ignorant", "lazy", "spiritually bankrupt", "lost sheep" -- we have the authority of Christ, so take that!
 

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According to the apostle Peter, God does not practice favoritism.

1Pet 1:17 . . The Father, who judges each man's work impartially,

If Peter knew what he was talking about when he wrote that verse, then
Catholics are not God's special pets, no; they are in just as much, if not
more, danger of ending up in hell as all the rest of the world.

According to Luke 10:16, the apostle Peter's words are Christ's. Therefore,
failure to comply with Peter's epistles is all the same as failure to comply
with Christ's words, and Bible-trained Catholics are likely to be aware of
what's been said about that.

Matt 7:26-27 . . And everyone who hears these words of mine, and does
not act upon them, will be like a foolish man, who built his house upon the
sand. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and
burst against that house; and it fell, and great was its fall.

The word "everyone" in that passage allows for neither exemptions nor
exceptions; so I do not recommend relying upon the Catholic label for
protection.

John 3:36 . . He who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the
wrath of God abides on him.

Just imagine the crushing chagrin that numbers of Catholics undergo who all
their lives defended Peter's supremacy only to end up in hell for failing to
comply with his epistles.
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Catholics are not God's special pets, no; they are in just as much, if not
more, danger of ending up in hell as all the rest of the world.

Hello Webers,
You may be right on this; to whom much has been given, much is expected,
Yet we all fall short, and so I will hope in the mercy of Christ.
For who can argue with His judgements?

Peace be with you!
 
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So welcoming aren’t they?

I started this thread because many of the Catholics I encounter online are
quick to mount a defense of Peter's supremacy while failing to pay suitable
attention to his knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. Consequently, their
forum behavior is too often militant and unpleasant

Peter's Christianity is a very practical religion. It not only brings sinners into
a right relationship with their creator, but it also makes them better people;
viz: makes them more civil and humane; for example:

1Pet 2:1 . .Lay aside all malice

The Greek word for "malice" is kakia (kak-ee'-ah) which basically refers to
badness, i.e. depravity, malignity, and trouble.

Malignity commonly describes aggressive cancers, which tend to spread and
produce death or deterioration, viz: malignant people are toxic, viz:
poisonous.

There are at least seven types of toxic people out there.

1• The Conversational Narcissist

Have you ever been talking to someone who keeps interrupting you? Maybe
I should revise that sentence: have you ever been trying to talk to someone
who won’t let you get a word in? Conversational narcissists LOVE to talk
about themselves-- or just hear themselves talk. They don’t ask you any
questions, they don’t wait for your responses and they won’t shut up. In a
relationship, these people will end up being completely self-centered and
never be attentive to your needs.

2• The Straight Jacket

The straight jacket is someone who wants to control everything and
everyone around them. They want to be in charge of what you do, what you
say, and even what you think. You know the person I am talking about--
they freak out when you disagree with them and won’t stop trying to
convince you that they are right and you should do what they say. In a
relationship, this person will give you no breathing room and constantly will
nag you until you are in complete alignment with them. Be careful, these
people will go after your emotional, conversational and mental freedom until
you have nothing left.

3• The Emotional Moocher

An emotional moocher also is known as a spiritual vampire because they
tend to suction the positivity out of you or bleed you emotionally dry. These
are the kinds of people who always have something sad, negative or
pessimistic to say. In conversations and relationships, they never can see
the positive and tend to bring everyone down with them; they only have bad
things to say. (These folk tend to be perpetual fault-finders, i.e. they have a
natural talent for tearing people down instead of building them up.)

4• The Drama Magnet

Some toxic people are magnets for drama. Something always is wrong.
Always. And, of course, once a problem is solved, another one emerges. And
they only want your empathy, sympathy and support-- but not your advice!
You offer help and solutions, but they never seem to want to fix anything.
Instead, they complain and complain. In a relationship, drama magnets are
victims and thrive in a crisis because it makes them feel important. If
someone is a beacon for adversity, watch out, you might one day become
part of the drama.

5• The JJ

A JJ is a jealous/judgmental person. Jealous people are incredibly toxic
because they have so much internal self-hate that they can’t be happy for
anyone around them. And typically, their jealousy comes out as judgment,
criticism or gossip. According to them, everyone else is awful, uncool or
lacking in some way.

6• The Fibber

Habitual liars, fibbers, and exaggerators… it’s exhausting to have them in
your life. Whether they tell little falsehoods or major lies, it’s impossible to
trust dishonesty in a relationship. It drains us because we constantly are
doubting their words.

7• The Tank

Tanks are intolerant. They crush everything in their path. A tank is always
right, doesn’t take anyone else’s feelings or ideas into consideration, and
constantly puts themselves first. In a relationship, tanks are incredibly
arrogant and see their personal opinions as facts. This is because they often
think they are the smartest person in the room. So, they see every
conversation and person as a challenge that must be won over. They rarely
see others as equals.

Thanx To: 7 Types of Toxic People and How to Spot Them | Science of People


NOTE: Peter's instructions don't say to avoid malice, they say lay malice
aside, i.e. get rid of it; viz: malicious Christians are under orders to reform.
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Yeah...you "ignorant", "lazy", "spiritually bankrupt", "lost sheep" -- we have the authority of Christ, so take that!
Actually, you don’t.

He gave His Church supreme Authority on earth over 2000 years ago.

The tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering offshoots of Protestantism and pseudo-Protestantism didn’t begin splintering off from that Church until the 16th Century.

YOU guys missed the bus by at LEAST 1500 years . . .
 

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I started this thread because many of the Catholics I encounter online are
quick to mount a defense of Peter's supremacy while failing to pay suitable
attention to his knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. Consequently, their
forum behavior is too often militant and unpleasant

Peter's Christianity is a very practical religion. It not only brings sinners into
a right relationship with their creator, but it also makes them better people;
viz: makes them more civil and humane; for example:

1Pet 2:1 . .Lay aside all malice

The Greek word for "malice" is kakia (kak-ee'-ah) which basically refers to
badness, i.e. depravity, malignity, and trouble.

Malignity commonly describes aggressive cancers, which tend to spread and
produce death or deterioration, viz: malignant people are toxic, viz:
poisonous.

There are at least seven types of toxic people out there.

1• The Conversational Narcissist

Have you ever been talking to someone who keeps interrupting you? Maybe
I should revise that sentence: have you ever been trying to talk to someone
who won’t let you get a word in? Conversational narcissists LOVE to talk
about themselves-- or just hear themselves talk. They don’t ask you any
questions, they don’t wait for your responses and they won’t shut up. In a
relationship, these people will end up being completely self-centered and
never be attentive to your needs.

2• The Straight Jacket

The straight jacket is someone who wants to control everything and
everyone around them. They want to be in charge of what you do, what you
say, and even what you think. You know the person I am talking about--
they freak out when you disagree with them and won’t stop trying to
convince you that they are right and you should do what they say. In a
relationship, this person will give you no breathing room and constantly will
nag you until you are in complete alignment with them. Be careful, these
people will go after your emotional, conversational and mental freedom until
you have nothing left.

3• The Emotional Moocher

An emotional moocher also is known as a spiritual vampire because they
tend to suction the positivity out of you or bleed you emotionally dry. These
are the kinds of people who always have something sad, negative or
pessimistic to say. In conversations and relationships, they never can see
the positive and tend to bring everyone down with them; they only have bad
things to say. (These folk tend to be perpetual fault-finders, i.e. they have a
natural talent for tearing people down instead of building them up.)

4• The Drama Magnet

Some toxic people are magnets for drama. Something always is wrong.
Always. And, of course, once a problem is solved, another one emerges. And
they only want your empathy, sympathy and support-- but not your advice!
You offer help and solutions, but they never seem to want to fix anything.
Instead, they complain and complain. In a relationship, drama magnets are
victims and thrive in a crisis because it makes them feel important. If
someone is a beacon for adversity, watch out, you might one day become
part of the drama.

5• The JJ

A JJ is a jealous/judgmental person. Jealous people are incredibly toxic
because they have so much internal self-hate that they can’t be happy for
anyone around them. And typically, their jealousy comes out as judgment,
criticism or gossip. According to them, everyone else is awful, uncool or
lacking in some way.

6• The Fibber

Habitual liars, fibbers, and exaggerators… it’s exhausting to have them in
your life. Whether they tell little falsehoods or major lies, it’s impossible to
trust dishonesty in a relationship. It drains us because we constantly are
doubting their words.

7• The Tank

Tanks are intolerant. They crush everything in their path. A tank is always
right, doesn’t take anyone else’s feelings or ideas into consideration, and
constantly puts themselves first. In a relationship, tanks are incredibly
arrogant and see their personal opinions as facts. This is because they often
think they are the smartest person in the room. So, they see every
conversation and person as a challenge that must be won over. They rarely
see others as equals.

Thanx To: 7 Types of Toxic People and How to Spot Them | Science of People


NOTE: Peter's instructions don't say to avoid malice, they say lay malice
aside, i.e. get rid of it; viz: malicious Christians are under orders to reform.
_
The “P.D.A.C.” (Perpetually Dishonest Anti-Catholic) is one who perpetually misrepresents the Catholic Church because of his own personal malice for it. Perhaps it was a nun who was a bit hard on him in grade school – or maybe he divorced and remarried and wasn‘t granted an annulment.

In any case – his arguments are easily-refutable which is a blow to his ego.
As such, he continues on his dishonest mission of malice, perpetuating lies, myths and fairy tales to any rube who will listen . . .
 

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Actually, you don’t.

He gave His Church supreme Authority on earth over 2000 years ago.

The tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering offshoots of Protestantism and pseudo-Protestantism didn’t begin splintering off from that Church until the 16th Century.

YOU guys missed the bus by at LEAST 1500 years . . .
Have you ever considered that maybe your candle got snuffed over 1500 years ago?
 

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1Pet 2:1-3 . .Lay aside all deceit (a.k.a. guile, cunning, and duplicity)

The Greek word for "deceit" is dolos (dol'-os) which basically refers to a
decoy, which Webster's defines as someone or something used to lure or
lead another into a trap.

Decoys can also be used as diversions, e.g. red herrings.

Dolos also refers to trickery; defined by Webster's as the practice of crafty
underhanded ingenuity to deceive or cheat, for example Gen 3:1.

A very common form of deceit is something called dissembling; which
basically means to conceal one's true feelings with pretense. I think it's
pretty safe to say that everybody at one time or another practices
dissembling; it's pretty much a natural propensity.

Peter's instructions don't say to avoid deceit, they say to lay it aside; viz:
stop it.
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Actually, you don’t.

He gave His Church supreme Authority on earth over 2000 years ago.

The tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering offshoots of Protestantism and pseudo-Protestantism didn’t begin splintering off from that Church until the 16th Century.

YOU guys missed the bus by at LEAST 1500 years . . .
...And we don't know who's on first, or when the joke is on us either--but we're "supreme"...so take that too!
 

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Well that would leave who? Alexandria?
2 Corinthians 6:15-18 KJV
[15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Tecarta BibleThis is really all I have to say
 
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I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church in 1944. When old
enough, my mom put me into Catechism where, in time. I managed to
complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation. Our church attendance on
Sunday was fairly regular. We didn't always make it, but most of the time
did.

The liturgy incorporated homilies based upon the apostle Peter's epistles;
which I sort of let go in one ear and out the other. It wasn't till years later
when I caught on that Peter spoke for Christ, and that non compliance with
Peter's instructions is all the same as non compliance with Christ's; it's a
domino effect all the way to the top.

Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you;
rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

Paul's epistles have much to say about one's personal conduct, and Peter's
do too; in point of fact: quite much. I've included a few of his instructions in
this post which, if complied with, will make any Christian on either side of
aisle better people; whether Catholic or non Catholic makes no difference.

First: say hello to the apostle Peter.

2Pet 1:2 . . Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the
knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

Now please; listen to some of Peter's knowledge of God and of Jesus our
Lord.

1Pet 1:14-16. . As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former
lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called
you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written: You
shall be holy, for I am holy.

1Pet 1:17-18 . . And if you address as "Father" the one who impartially
judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves in reverential fear
during the time of your stay upon earth

1Pet 2:21-24 . . For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps . . who, when
He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not
threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously

1Pet 1:22b . . See that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

1Pet 2:1-3 . .Lay aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil
speaking;

1Pet 2:17a . . Honor all men.

1Pet 3:8b-9 . . Having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be
pitiful, be courteous; not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but
contrariwise blessing.

1Pet 3:10-11 . . Let him who means to love life and see good days refrain
his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking guile. And let him turn away
from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

2Pet 1:5-7 . . Make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to
goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control,
perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly
kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

I should think it goes without saying that Peter's knowledge of God and of
Jesus our Lord is quite useless for the purpose of obtaining grace and peace
in abundance unless it's put into practice.

Jas 1:22-25 . . Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive
yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do
what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking
at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.

. . . But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom,
and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it-- he
will be blessed in what he does. (cf. Matt 7:24-27)
_

Yes your statement's are very true!
The Prophecy straight from God to Moses, Deuteronomy 18: 15 - The Lord Thy God will raise up to thee a Prophet of thy nation and of thy Brethren like unto Me [God]: Him thou shalt Hear. [Shema] Hear and obey!
verse 18, "I will raise them up a Prophet out of the midst of their Brethren like to thee [Moses]: and I will put My words in His Mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I [God] shall Command Him.
!9 - And he that will not hear His words, which He shall speak, in My name, I [God] will be the Revenger.
Scripture taken from the DAOUY-RHEIMS VERSION. Approved by the Catholic Cardinal, James Gibbons!
It seams that God is Serious about His Son's Ministry, His actions, and His Words!
So we would be Wise to [Shema] Hear and Obey our Savior!
 

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1Pet 2:1-3 . . Lay aside all malice

The seven examples of malice listed in post No.7 are pretty good, but I
would certainly include spite were it my list. Webster's defines it as petty ill
will or hatred with the disposition to irritate, annoy, or thwart; i.e. just plain
meanness.

A companion to spite is persecution; from the Greek word dioko (dee-o'-ko)
which means to pursue; i.e. to hound, to harass. In other words; a
persecuting personality is one whose mission in life is to ruin somebody's
day at every opportunity; and they are pretty good at finding ways to do it.

Heaven is described in the Bible as a place of peace. I think it goes without
saying that malicious people cannot be allowed to go there because they
would soon turn heaven into a hellish world like they've made the Earth.
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Have you ever considered that maybe your candle got snuffed over 1500 years ago?
No because that would mean that Jesus is a liar.
He guaranteed that the gates of Hell would NOT prevail against His Church (Matt. 16:18).