The Percentage of Catholics, Calvinism, Arminianism, or Other, On The Christianity Boards?

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The Percentage of Catholics, Calvinism, Arminianism, or Other, On The Christianity Boards?

  • Catholic

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Calvinism

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Arminianism

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Mixture Of Calvinism/Arminianism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lutheran

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Baptist

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Methodist

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Non Denominational

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Pentecostals

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Total voters
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jshiii

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That is not how I understand "Limited Atonement".

How do you understand it? I guess the way I interpreted it above is not the correct interpretation, so I guess any other interpretation I would have to disagree with the "L" also. However.....

Limited Atonement - Christ bore the sin only of the elect, not everyone who ever lived.
  1. Christ's blood was sufficient for all, but not all sin was imputed to Christ. Christ's blood is sufficient to cover all people. But the sufficiency relates to his divine value which is different than our legal debt. Sin is a debt (Matt. 6:12 with Luke 11:4) since it is breaking the Law of God (1 John 3:4). In limited atonement, Calvinists are saying that there was a limit to whose sins were imputed to Christ in a legal sense. They are not denying the sufficiency of Christ's blood to cover all people. Instead, they look at the legal aspect of the sin debt. Peoples' sin debts were transferred to Jesus (1 Pet. 2:24) and were canceled on the cross, not when we believe (Col. 2:14). Therefore, legally speaking, those canceled sins cannot be held against the sinner because their quality of being a debt has been canceled by being paid on the cross (John 19:30; Col. 2:14). If the debt is canceled, it does not exist and cannot be held against the debtor/sinner. Therefore, Christ only legally bore the sins of the elect even though his blood was sufficient to cover all. Also, consider 1 Sam. 3:14 which says, "Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever."
I'm comparing this commentary with other resources ;)

The way I see the above is, if someone doesn't choose Jesus as their Savior (Righteousness), then they will be in the wrong standing at judgment.

I have also listened to this, it's 10 mins Pastor John audio....he does a great job clarifying the "L". Listen and see what you think? Link is below.

In What Sense Did Christ Die for the Non-Elect?
 
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How do you understand it? I guess the way I interpreted it above is not the correct interpretation, so I guess any other interpretation I would have to disagree with the "L" also. However.....

Limited Atonement - Christ bore the sin only of the elect, not everyone who ever lived.
  1. Christ's blood was sufficient for all, but not all sin was imputed to Christ. Christ's blood is sufficient to cover all people. But the sufficiency relates to his divine value which is different than our legal debt. Sin is a debt (Matt. 6:12 with Luke 11:4) since it is breaking the Law of God (1 John 3:4). In limited atonement, Calvinists are saying that there was a limit to whose sins were imputed to Christ in a legal sense. They are not denying the sufficiency of Christ's blood to cover all people. Instead, they look at the legal aspect of the sin debt. Peoples' sin debts were transferred to Jesus (1 Pet. 2:24) and were canceled on the cross, not when we believe (Col. 2:14). Therefore, legally speaking, those canceled sins cannot be held against the sinner because their quality of being a debt has been canceled by being paid on the cross (John 19:30; Col. 2:14). If the debt is canceled, it does not exist and cannot be held against the debtor/sinner. Therefore, Christ only legally bore the sins of the elect even though his blood was sufficient to cover all. Also, consider 1 Sam. 3:14 which says, "Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever."
I'm comparing this commentary with other resources ;)

The way I see the above is, if someone doesn't choose Jesus as their Savior (Righteousness), then they will be in the wrong standing at judgment.

I have also listened to this, it's 10 mins Pastor John audio....he does a great job clarifying the "L". Listen and see what you think? Link is below.

In What Sense Did Christ Die for the Non-Elect?

"The way I see the above is, if someone doesn't choose Jesus as their Savior (Righteousness), then they will be in the wrong standing at judgment."

The above is all I needed to hear, thank you. Most Calvinists I know believe God purposely created some for Hell to show the glory of His wrath and, no matter if the person wants to bow to Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they just were not chosen to BE saved from the foundation of the world. That is what I cannot ever believe.
Thank you for the clarification as, that is how I also believe. "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:" John 1:12
I do understand that God WILL use those who are against Him to His own purposes. He knows the end from the beginning, after all.
In Him,
nancy
 
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I fellowship with the Baptists, the Lutherans, the Pentecosts, the Catholics, the Glad Tidings Assembly of God, Mormons, the Moravian Church and nearly a dozen non-denominational churches and I have had Jewish friends for most of my adult life.

I say that I am simply a Christian and love Christians. Of course my friends know this and I have been asked the question, which denomination do you prefer or recommend? I tell them I do not have a favorite, but I do warn them what to stay away from. Denominations that are condemning, judgmental, Jewish, legalist to the extreme, predestinationists that believe predestination is the rule rather than the exception. Those that believe that Baptism has no spiritual effect. I tell them to stay away from elitists.

Today we have a smorgasbord of religions. Some believe in OSAS and some believe it is anything but a sure thing. I believe the truth is in the middle. Some believe that Holy Spirit is very active and tongues are a miracle. Some do not. I am in the Holy Spirit camp. The Trinity, there are different formulas for the Trinity. As long as they believe that God the Father, and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are united in someway I am OK with that. The oneness concept I can tolerate, but I do not subscribe to it.

I am really big on active churches. The big tent sermons and revivals, even camp outs, I really enjoy. These tent sermons have great praise and worship and uplifting songs. And the food, oh my gosh! Churches that do things that let their community know they are there.
 

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In that case you will have to go after Mohler, and plant a mole in his administration.:cool:
I could. We SBC folk are shady that way. Gotta watch your back if you want to be in the Convention. We call it the "game of thrones". :D.
 
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"The way I see the above is, if someone doesn't choose Jesus as their Savior (Righteousness), then they will be in the wrong standing at judgment."

The above is all I needed to hear, thank you. Most Calvinists I know believe God purposely created some for Hell to show the glory of His wrath and, no matter if the person wants to bow to Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they just were not chosen to BE saved from the foundation of the world. That is what I cannot ever believe.
Thank you for the clarification as, that is how I also believe. "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:" John 1:12
I do understand that God WILL use those who are against Him to His own purposes. He knows the end from the beginning, after all.
In Him,
nancy



Beware of Antichrists
1 John 2: 18-19 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.


Satan is trying to pervert everything. Sadly, this is what we are up against. I'm glad my post clarified a few things for you. It clarified for me also :)
 
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Pentecostals are on that list but at the bottom. Does that tell you something about the poster or about Pentecostalism? ;)
It does say something about being late on the scene, although personally I have always hated to be late to anything and rarely have been. Is that a good thing?
 
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I forgive you, if you forgive me for eating this Large Pizza right now. Geeeez, I'm gonna be sick., but it's so GOOD!

#PizzaIsAStumblingBlockForUnbelievers
#ImConvinced:(
My wife broke down called out for a pizza today also. It has been years since we've had one delivered.
 
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My wife broke down called out for a pizza today also. It has been years since we've had one delivered.


Sorry, knew I was gonna be a stumbling block to someone. lol

As long as you eat it in FAITH, no worries ;)


Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
 

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Sorry, knew I was gonna be a stumbling block to someone. lol

As long as you eat it in FAITH, no worries ;)


Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I do hope that means I ate it with proper faith.
 

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It does say something about being late on the scene, although personally I have always hated to be late to anything and rarely have been. Is that a good thing?


Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Hmmmm, Maybe Catholics will be last. Hey at least they made the cut. ;)
 

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Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Hmmmm, Maybe Catholics will be last. Hey at least they made the cut. ;)
You put me back with that one. Maybe I should hold back from the regular promptness and learn to be tardy.
As to the Catholics, some of them as with some in many other many denominational [or non-d.] groups also made the more important cut, but so many choose the wide gate leading to destruction.
 
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It does say something about being late on the scene, although personally I have always hated to be late to anything and rarely have been. Is that a good thing?
That is excellent. God and Christ are never late for anything either. So any Christian who drags his heels needs to take note.
 
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That is excellent. God and Christ are never late for anything either. So any Christian who drags his heels needs to take note.
Give God the glory! My wife and always taught our two children the importance of being on time... but they've both been gone from our home for many years now and taken up in its place and refined the art of tardiness. Hopefully they don't do that regularly on their secular jobs....
 
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What a Beautiful picture of Mary. Thank you Mary for being the vessel in which God used to bring his Son Jesus into the World. Now let's ALL worship Jesus only!! (He is a Jealous God), and try to be vessels ourselves to Glorify Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

thank you Jesus for your sacrifice, now let us all worship the Trinity alone, because God alone is worthy of our worship and adoration
 
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All this below is foreign to me.

[Vitam in Eucharistia, Christus in eis tibi et pax Christi exsultet in aeternum.

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

he who has not the Church for his mother, has not God for his Father - Cyprian]


However, As long as you believe that you are saved by his grace. Ephesians 2: 8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith IN JESUS CHRIST-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast." You are good ;)

Yes we are saved by God's grace though faith that is not alone. :) The Latin phrase Vitam in Eucharistia, Christus in eis tibi et pax Christi exsultet in aeternum means "There is life in the Eucharist and the peace of Christ be with you forever" and the prayer beginning "Hail Mary" is from Luke 1:28, 41-42 this explains more Hail Mary - Wikipedia and the quote from St. Cyprian is a truth because Christ created the Church so if one does not have the Church one does not have God.
 

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And while we are on the SUBJECT! Do Catholics really worship Mary? Educate me please, because what I know, was Satan could not stop the Apostles from delivering the Gospel, so Rome perverted it! ? Thus there is a perverted (not inclining he is sexual perverted, just warped) POPE?

Whats up with all the Hail Mary's??? I was a Quarterback in High School, all the "Hail Marys" I threw hit the bottom.

Why would you want to learn from an anti Catholic? I would not go to an anti Calvinist to learn about Calvinism
 
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