No Righteousness = No Heaven

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Enoch111

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And God doesn't "impute" the righteousness of Christ to another person. That's a huge lie.
You are the liar in this matter, since you are rejecting what God has revealed, and manufacturing your own theology. In fact you are opposing God.

ROMANS 4 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath
whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
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Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed
is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which
he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which
he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world,
was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law
be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is,
there is no transgression.
16 Therefore
it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed,
even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
 
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You are the liar in this matter, since you are rejecting what God has revealed, and manufacturing your own theology. In fact you are opposing God.

ROMANS 4 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath
whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
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Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed
is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which
he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which
he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world,
was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law
be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is,
there is no transgression.
16 Therefore
it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed,
even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Seeing that God's imputes the righteousness of Christ on a person must be in the kool-aid...because it isn't in the bible.

You don't understand that God justifies people for what THEY do. We will be judged according to what WE have done...not Jesus. But you are deaf and blind so you can't read plain English.
 
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Seeing that God's imputes the righteousness of Christ on a person must be in the kool-aid...because it isn't in the bible.

You don't understand that God justifies people for what THEY do. We will be judged according to what WE have done...not Jesus. But you are deaf and blind so you can't read plain English.
It seems to me that you are the one ignoring what is plainly taught by holy scripture.
 

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It seems to me that you are the one ignoring what is plainly taught by holy scripture.


Only if confusing Abraham with Jesus is being on the ball.

Phinehas was also deemed righteous for what he did...kill a man and woman. Same words to justify him as with Abraham.

"Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed. And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore." Ps. 106:30, 31

Whose righteousness was it counted for him?
 
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Only if confusing Abraham with Jesus is being on the ball.

Phinehas was also deemed righteous for what he did...kill a man and woman. Same words to justify him as with Abraham.

"Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed. And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore." Ps. 106:30, 31

Whose righteousness was it counted for him?
Christ's righteousness, which was imputed through Phinehas's faith, that expressed itself in what Phinehas did in that situation.
 
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Jesus taught that our righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees if we expect to enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 5
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus was speaking to the disciples about entering the earthly Davidic kingdom not to the church, the body of Christ. We have his imputed righteousness, not our own (Philippians 3:9 Romans 4:11).
 

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Jesus taught that our righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees if we expect to enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 5
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Yes He did. But this righteousness which Christ spoke of was not our own, but His righteousness imputed to our account.

~ Romans 3:10-12
~ Romans 4:13

The righteousness that is greater than the Pharisees is the righteousness of Christ!
~ 2 Corinthians 5:21
 

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Jesus taught that our righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees if we expect to enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 5
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

07,

Isn't this the meaning of justification from Rom 5:1-2 (NIV)?

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.​

To be justified is to be declared righteous and that is the status of every true believer in Christ. 'Have been justified' = Δικαιωθέντες, i.e. dikaiwthentes. It is an aorist, passive participle, masculine, nominative, plural from the verb, dikaiow, which Bauer, Arndt & Gingrich's Lexicon gives the meaning as: 'be acquitted, be pronounced and treated as righteous and therefore become righteous' - especially in Paul's writings (1957:196).

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Maybe it has already been asked...haven’t read through the whole thread. You said non-believers ...may actually be righteous in God’s eyes. Trying to understand how you can say that in He said to seek the kingdom of His righteousness...then all those things are added. Not before but to “seek”. So are you saying His righteousness is a gift added to those who do not believe? Again trying to understand how their righteousness is God’s in whom they do not seek?

VIJ,

Thanks for this perceptive comment. An unbeliever cannot be righteous/justified in God's sight. People are declared righteous/justified by faith in Christ (Rom 5:1-2). So the justified people can only be Christian believers.

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None of us have God's righteousness. That is impossible. None of us has God's power or His good looks either!...

Again...nobody can be righteous as God is righteous. God is unique in the entire universe.

Episkopos,

This is not the teaching of Romans 5. All Christian believers are justified by faith, i.e. they are declared righteous by God. It's a forensic action (Rom 5:1-2). Before God, I have been declared righteous.

Becoming righteous and to be like Jesus is a life-long growing in Christ that is called progressive sanctification:

20 But that isn’t what you learned about Christ. 21 Since you have heard about Jesus and have learned the truth that comes from him, 22 throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception. 23 Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes. 24 Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy (Eph 4:20-24 NLT).​

In this thread there seems to be some confusion over the difference between justification and sanctification.

Oz
 

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Jesus taught that our righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees if we expect to enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 5
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I am pleased to say that I have a righteousness that exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees. :)


It just isn't my own (Romans 1:16-17; 3:21-22).
 
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I truly enjoyed your statement, especially the part about [Fig Leaves] When ever I ask someone about an incident, and they begin to express an Excuse, I will always comment with the response [ here comes the Fig Leaves] as Adam & Eve covered themselves with Fig Leaves, which I call Excuses. LOL
Yes, the fig leaves were man's own feeble attempt to cover his shame. God improved on that right away for the short run [skins] and then for long term finally with the coming of Jesus and the pouring out the Holy Spirit.
 

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This can be easily misunderstood to mean that anyone who does anything right is just like Jesus in His full Personhood.

Agree with your comment earlier that it is God’s righteousness and not our own. Still would question: “This can be easily misunderstood to mean that anyone who does anything right is just like Jesus in His full Personhood.”

is this not what you meant in a non-believer can be righteous to God?

But Jesus was ALSO righteous ...as a man. So that is what is meant here. Jesus was a righteous man who did what is right.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

“By works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”...
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit...2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

...justified in the Spirit which is Life. Not in the flesh which is “bearing about in our body the dying of the Lord Jesus”

Anyone who does what is right in ALL the world is justified by Jesus who also only did what was right...as a man. There is no difference. A good Muslim is the same as a good Jew is the same as a good Christian. If they all do the same things they ALL are like Jesus in that He also did the same.

But there is a difference: in one is either after the flesh or after the Spirit.

Romans 8:9-10 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after (His)righteousness: for they shall be filled. ;(with His righteousness)

In seek His righteousness...drink of His Living water... the Spirit of His righteousness and never thirst again being filled with the Spirit of His righteousness. “Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.” Philippians 1:11

if any have not the Spirit of Christ; non- believer or religious then the only righteousness is their own righteousness(dead works), and not His.

That all being said, still, we can’t say who has the Spirit of Christ which could be anyone in any denomination, religion, anywhere. Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

There could be validity to what you say.
 

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is this not what you meant in a non-believer can be righteous to God?

The bible is full of instances of men and women being righteous by their own choices. Study the bible and see for yourself. I have posted many such verses many times. But people are very slow to see the truth.
But there is a difference: in one is either after the flesh or after the Spirit.

Of course. But you are thinking that all who are not in Christ are going to hell. So you have a digital dogmatic view that is not the message of the bible...but taught as the doctrines of men. The bible is difficult to wrap one's mind around...but that is because we are to read it by the Spirit...not the carnal mind.

The carnal mind can only see things in black and white dogmatic ways. But the truth is so deep that we are actually judging ourselves when we read it. The word of God discerns OUR hearts and minds. But people think they are the ones doing the discerning.
 

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That the righteousness of Christ was imputed to Phinehas because of his faith; and that we know that Phinehas had faith because of the way that he expressed it.

Better?


It is an indoctrinated idea that everyone has the righteousness of Christ in doing the simplest things right.

If a child draws a nice picture...is that by the righteousness of Christ in your view?

Yet we are all to become as children.

The easiest way to understand is the best way...unless we are speaking of the mysteries of the kingdom...then you have to be IN the Spirit...after that everything is easy again.

But a person who does what is right is DOING righteousness. Like the good Samaritan. Like many people described in the bible.

The righteousness of Christ is ONLY for Jesus Christ.

Our own righteousness needs to exceed that of the Pharisees. But an indoctrinated person can't hear that....just like the indoctrinated Pharisees. Too easy.

When Jesus said...I came not to call the righteous to repentance....how many indoctrinated people add their self life into it? How many add to the bible to misunderstand it by adding in "self". The carnal mind trying to understand the bible. So then these read the statement as "self-righteous"...without a clue as to their adding judgment to themselves by changing the words of Jesus away from the truth.

Look how many do this. Changing the truth of God for a lie.
 

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Jesus taught that our righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees if we expect to enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 5
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Righteousness simply means 'right doing'. No one in the Bible who did God's righteousness was condemned by God in trying to earn salvation. "Right doing" therefore is not a work of merit (Eph 2:9] but a condition God has placed upon his free gift of salvation/entering the kingdom of heaven.

1 John 3:10 whosoever continues to not do righteousness continues to not be of God.
 
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Here is a way to see how indoctrinated a person is....by the words of Jesus.

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

Mat.9 :12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Three times Jesus says to us that the righteous are they that are whole and have no need to a doctor. Those who love Jesus and the truth will have no problem admitting that. But the churches are filled with others... who add in a human interpretation to mean that Jesus is saying that the self-righteous are whole.

So they turn the truth of God into a lie.
 
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