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1 Corinthians 7:39-40 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. [40] But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

Really has nothing to do with the topic (but then maybe it does)...

made me smile this morning. Love brother Paul and his “and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.”
Yes, it does make one smile... for Paul was also admitting that he too at times was subject to the ways of his flesh. The test is not finished until God calls, time! We may have the Spirit of God, but do we always walk in the Spirit? Was that why he said it that way?
 
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The Mark of the beast is such a vast topic. It is the number of a man. Natural man. there is also that born of the Spirit and the number of God which is perfect. The word tells us of natural man and how he cannot receive the things of God because the things of God are foolishness to him. The word also shows sin warring in our member...bringing us again into captivity. Even warns against this being brought back into captivity again and the last state of that man is worst than the first. It is within us as a whole but also as an individual. Matthew 26:52-54 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [53] Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? [54] But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

all they that ‘take the sword‘ shall perish...is repeated In Revelation 13:8-10 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. [9] If any man have an ear, let him hear. [10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

For a second let us just examine ourselves. “He that leads into captivity shall go into captivity.” and see there is in our members “He who leads into captivity.” Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

God said this “He who leads into captivity shall(indeed) go into captivity.” Psalm 68:18-22 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them. [19] Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. [20] He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto God the Lord belong the issues from death. [21] But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses. [22] The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea:

2 Corinthians 10:4-6 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; [6] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
... bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
...he that leads into the captivity and “bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members ...”wars with the law of my mind”; yet ... “take every thought captive to Christ” and he who leads captive shall go into captivity.

God Wounded the head...of his enemies. Can that be denied? He cut the head off. Yet the world marvels at this fatal wound which heals and wonder after the beast. the old man was fatally wounded...look around does (is)the beast rising up as if not already dead?

Too much philosophical speculation. A new Christian coming here that really wants to know more about the mark of the beast subject would be totally confused.
 

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Too much philosophical speculation. A new Christian coming here that really wants to know more about the mark of the beast subject would be totally confused.
Anyone coming here, new believer or old, not led by the Holy Spirit will most certainly be confused. For this reason it is essential to follow God always:

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." I Cor 14:33
 
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Anyone coming here, new believer or old, not led by the Holy Spirit will most certainly be confused.
But when people deliberately add to the confusion by making anything mean anything else, then there is no need for that. The Mark of The Beast should have been discussed as it was meant to be discussed. A cold, sober reality which will condemn millions to Hell when it goes into effect in the future.
 
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But when people deliberately add to the confusion by making anything mean anything else, then there is no need for that. The Mark of The Beast should have been discussed as it was meant to be discussed. A cold, sober reality which will condemn millions to Hell when it goes into effect in the future.
Our society, and yes, our churches, are filled with confusion, because, for too many, God is not really in it. This forum is not exempted from such confusion. If we could keep confusion out of here, why could we not also keep it out of every person residing in the flesh on planet Earth?

Even Jesus who was the Truth, and the very Word of God, could not remove the confusion and therefore He also wept. He came bringing Life, but so many don't really want what He brought... or they want to pick and choose according to their desires of the moment. Is there such a thing as a fair weather believer?
 

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But when people deliberately add to the confusion by making anything mean anything else, then there is no need for that. The Mark of The Beast should have been discussed as it was meant to be discussed. A cold, sober reality which will condemn millions to Hell when it goes into effect in the future.
2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
 

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I mixed that up; sorry about that. Abraham's bosom was the peaceful part; it was "Hades"/"hell" that the was the torment part. Thanks for catching that for me.
And for what it’s worth you have to recognize that that comes from a parable, yes? Since we have other verses to the effect that one knows where they go when they die, All go to the same place, etc. in other words since were supposedly speaking about spiritual things, I think it’s relevant to consider that those two in the parable might be in two different states while in the same place, something like that?
 

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Considering “mark” ...Job 7:17-21 What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him? [18] And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment? [19] How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle? [20] I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself? [21] And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away mine iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.

Ezekiel 9:3-10 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; [4] And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. [5] And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: [6] Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. [7] And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. [8] And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God ! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem? [9] Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not. [10] And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

(Philippians 3:14) I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

What is the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus? What is the prize?
Ah, the pearl of great price, yea ”What is it?” ha. I think one has to learn the 12 foundations first maybe
 
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Ah, the pearl of great price, yea ”What is it?” ha. I think one has to learn the 12 foundations first maybe

oddly ...hidden in a Woman. 1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
 
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Yes, it does make one smile... for Paul was also admitting that he too at times was subject to the ways of his flesh. The test if no finished until God calls, time! We may have the Spirit of God, but do we always walk in the Spirit? Was that why he said it that way?


1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
 
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I’m not sure that would be how most people would characterize where I’m at right now lol, So maybe I said that wrong
Admitting you are on the bottom is a good thing. It is all uphill from there. Just don't try to make the climb alone!
 
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And for what it’s worth you have to recognize that that comes from a parable, yes? Since we have other verses to the effect that one knows where they go when they die, All go to the same place, etc. in other words since were supposedly speaking about spiritual things, I think it’s relevant to consider that those two in the parable might be in two different states while in the same place, something like that?
Jesus' depiction agrees with what some learned rabbis have said.

Different rabbis have had different opinions about the distance while asserting that Paradise and Gehenna are next to each other. I think Rabbi Chanina may be right -- that the "wall" between them is the distance of a hands-breadth. Gehenna is on the left and Paradise on the right. Both are considered part of sheol, but you can't pass from one to the other randomly.

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Ah, the pearl of great price, yea ”What is it?” ha. I think one has to learn the 12 foundations first maybe

well not odd. Just to be clear on the pearl being “hidden in a woman” and what was meant. Paul had this pearl, yeah. 1 Corinthians 4:20-21 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. [21] What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

kind of blows away countless imaginations In that: power IS “love, and in the spirit of meekness.”
Even urged toward this pearl of great price and power (love, and the Spirit of meekness), the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. (all gifts of the Spirit of meekness; follow after the Spirit)
And Ephesians 4:2-3 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; [3] Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Which kind of blows away there is no “unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”

The pearl of great price: ”Hidden in a woman” ...this woman was meant: ...His church.
Not the one who adorns the outward with plaiting of the hair(cover), wearing gold...but in that which is not corruptible: adorned with the Spirit of Christ. the high calling of God. 1 Peter 3:3-4 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; [4] But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

makes perfect sense why one would go and sell all that they own and buy this pearl of great price. Although His Spirit cannot be bought with money. If that were the case the rich man would have had nothing “to grieve” over in great we’re his possessions. Matthew 10:38-39 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. [39] He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

”...went and sold all that he had, and bought it.” this “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:”

1 Timothy 2:9-10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; (Dung)[10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
 
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well not odd. Just to be clear on the pearl being “hidden in a woman” and what was meant. Paul had this pearl, yeah. 1 Corinthians 4:20-21 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. [21] What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

kind of blows away countless imaginations In that: power IS “love, and in the spirit of meekness.”
Even urged toward this pearl of great price and power (love, and the Spirit of meekness), the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. (all gifts of the Spirit of meekness; follow after the Spirit)
And Ephesians 4:2-3 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; [3] Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Which kind of blows away there is no “unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”

The pearl of great price: ”Hidden in a woman” ...this woman was meant: ...His church.
Not the one who adorns the outward with plaiting of the hair(cover), wearing gold...but in that which is not corruptible: adorned with the Spirit of Christ. the high calling of God. 1 Peter 3:3-4 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; [4] But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

makes perfect sense why one would go and sell all that they own and buy this pearl of great price. Although His Spirit cannot be bought with money. If that were the case the rich man would have had nothing “to grieve” over in great we’re his possessions. Matthew 10:38-39 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. [39] He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

”...went and sold all that he had, and bought it.” this “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:”

1 Timothy 2:9-10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; (Dung)[10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Interesting meditation there! :)
 
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Interesting meditation there! :)

My husband and I have had discussions in the past over whether the church is the pearl or Christ. feeling somehow wrong to take the focus off of Him but still could see that maybe it is both. A mutual Love and agreement in He first gave himself for the church. 1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

mutual.
 

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My husband and I have had discussions in the past over whether the church is the pearl or Christ. feeling somehow wrong to take the focus off of Him but still could see that maybe it is both. A mutual Love and agreement in He first gave himself for the church. 1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

mutual.
Interesting interpretation, indeed.

Also, maybe the wearing of simple, classic ear studs for example, is both well within the bounds of modesty and also redolent of a simplicity that radiates a harmony with a greater order.

Subjective, maybe, but would evoke sympathy with some believers.
 

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Interesting interpretation, indeed.

Also, maybe the wearing of simple, classic ear studs for example, is both well within the bounds of modesty and also redolent of a simplicity that radiates a harmony with a greater order.

Subjective, maybe, but would evoke sympathy with some believers.

Haven’t read all the passages regarding ear or nose piercing but what I have read spoke of not what returns to dust, but of what God would do. for instance: 2 Kings 19:27-34 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me. [28] Because thy rage against me and thy tumult is come up into mine ears, therefore I will put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest. [29] And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such things as grow of themselves, and in the second year that which springeth of the same; and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruits thereof. [30] And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward. [31] For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this. [32] Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it. [33] By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord. [34] For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.
 

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Haven’t read all the passages regarding ear or nose piercing but what I have read spoke of not what returns to dust, but of what God would do. for instance: 2 Kings 19:27-34 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me. [28] Because thy rage against me and thy tumult is come up into mine ears, therefore I will put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest. [29] And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such things as grow of themselves, and in the second year that which springeth of the same; and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruits thereof. [30] And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward. [31] For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this. [32] Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it. [33] By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord. [34] For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.
Also, Ezekiel 16.12.