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Giuliano

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Hi Giuliano,

I am always interested in an outsiders point of view. I am curious; In your opinion how has "the CC made gays feel so guilty"?
First let me tell you about two people I knew when they were young. One had had sex with another man. The other one didn't have a girlfriend and people teased him about being gay. I could tell he had gay thoughts by his reaction to the teasing. I explained to both of them that that didn't make either of them gay. Both were feeling guilty or anxious. They got over it. The Catholic Church can make a big deal out of stuff like that. Some people who are bisexual go gay because they feel so weird. Some Catholics can be big on big guilt-trips. Is it really a sin to have an impure thought? I don't think it is. We all have good thoughts and bad thoughts. The key is to act on the good ones and reject the bad ones. Why feel guilty over bad thoughts? Just don't act on them.


Did you know that one volunteers to become a priest which means they have chosen not to marry and taken a VOW to be celibate?
Yes, I know that; and if you taken single men as priests, you'll be running a risk they won't be able to control their urges whether heterosexual or homosexual. If the Catholic Church thinks that's a risk worth taking, they can take it; but history shows, I think, that it's not.

Did you know that the unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about the affairs of the world, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided?
If he can indeed control his sexual urges. Paul also advises elsewhere that bishops should be married so people can look at how he manages his family to give clues about how well he will govern his flock.

Did you know that there are married priests? Did you know that men who CHOOSE to become celibate priest are striving to be more like Jesus? Isn't that a good thing?

Mary
I know there are some married priests, yes.

It might be a good thing if unmarried priests could realistically be like Jesus. It could also be vanity if unrealistic.
 
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I'd prefer to have adult gays in relationships with each other instead of hiding and pretending to be straight --
Hi Giuliano,

I don't ask this question in an adversarial way. I am just curious about your line of thinking on this.

Do you prefer that gays live openly in sin so that everyone knows they are sinning?

Curious Mary
 

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Hmmmmm...... Would you rather live next door to a married straight couple or a single straight woman who might have an eye out for your husband?

Mary
I don't have a husband -- but I'd prefer to live next to people who weren't "on the prowl" sexually. Do you have an answer for the question I asked?
 

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Hi Giuliano,

I don't ask this question in an adversarial way. I am just curious about your line of thinking on this.

Do you prefer that gays live openly in sin so that everyone knows they are sinning?

Curious Mary
I prefer to know what I'm dealing with.
 

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First let me tell you about two people I knew when they were young. One had had sex with another man. The other one didn't have a girlfriend and people teased him about being gay. I could tell he had gay thoughts by his reaction to the teasing. I explained to both of them that that didn't make either of them gay. Both were feeling guilty or anxious. The Catholic Church can make a big deal out of stuff like that. Some people who are bisexual go gay because they feel so weird. Some Catholics can be big on big guilt-trips. Is it really a sin to have an impure thought? I don't think it is. We all have good thoughts and bad thoughts. The key is to act on the good ones and reject the bad ones. Why feel guilty over bad thoughts? Just don't act on them.
Thank you.

So what I THINK you are saying is that the CC makes people feel guilty for THINKING impure thoughts?

Engaging in gay sex (sex outside of marriage) is a big deal and all Churches should consider it a "big deal" just like any violation of Scripture.

Did you know
that the CC does not teach that having an impure thought is a sin and it teaches basically what you said; The key is to act on the good ones and reject the bad ones.....Just don't act on them

Sooo I hate to scare you so close to Halloween but you agree with The CC. :)

Mary
 

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I don't have a husband -- but I'd prefer to live next to people who weren't "on the prowl" sexually. Do you have an answer for the question I asked?
Hi,


Soooo you would rather live next to people who don't have impure thoughts?

To answer your question: I prefer to live next to people who do not have impure thoughts.

Respectfully, Mary
 

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Hi,


Soooo you would rather live next to people who don't have impure thoughts?

To answer your question: I prefer to live next to people who do not have impure thoughts.

Respectfully, Mary
That isn't an answer.

Would like people who commit adultery to live in the open also?

Curious Mary
It might be good for their spouses to know. If their spouses can live with it, so can I. I also might want to avoid being alone with them.
 

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Thank you.

So what I THINK you are saying is that the CC makes people feel guilty for THINKING impure thoughts?

Engaging in gay sex (sex outside of marriage) is a big deal and all Churches should consider it a "big deal" just like any violation of Scripture.

Did you know
that the CC does not teach that having an impure thought is a sin and it teaches basically what you said; The key is to act on the good ones and reject the bad ones.....Just don't act on them

Sooo I hate to scare you so close to Halloween but you agree with The CC. :)

Mary
Why are some Catholics hung up on them then? Here's one example:

How to confess impure venial thoughts

There was a priest in Florida who seemed eager to pry "impure thoughts" out of children. He was on another forum I used to post on. It never got mentioned at that forum, although it was public knowledge. Parents of eight children objected when they found out; and it made the news.

Seriously, the Catholic Church may need to educate its members better. The first Catholic I ever knew was doing something once; and one of my sisters said, "Don't you think that's a sin?" She said yes, but she could get forgiven by confessing it. Now I know and you know there's a problem with that kind of thinking, but she didn't.

Then you have people confessing to venial sins because they really want advice from the priest; and sometimes the priest is impatient because he's rushed for time.
 

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Sin is sin and I see no difference between the 2 subjects above ; homosexuality and adultery.


Agree;
Sin is sin, with the understanding that:
There IS Sin unto death, and There IS Sin, NOT unto death.

The Fact IS:
All earthly men are naturally born In sin.
The Difference IS:
IS an individual living with:
Forgiven Sin, or Unforgiven Sin?
Forgiven Sin, is sin, NOT unto death.
Unforgiven Sin, IS sin unto death.

It's no wonder most gay's feel hated by God and His "people".

People with God, become in Gods likeness, and tend to Like and strongly dislike (ie hate), the same things as God.


Adulterers, drunkards and fornicators are welcomed with open arms for the most part as, those sins are "different" to so many Christians but, oh no fags or dykes!!! Let them never darken the doorway of our Church!! God forbid!

My perspective is a Church is Scripturally intended to be: Gods House of Prayer.
Open arms to ALL SINNERS..
Who come to praise and worship God, Yes.
Who come to hear their sin is acceptable
No.
To hear Gods Truth,
Yes.

How about we, oh, I don't know...PRAY for them? Love them? Novel idea there, huh?

Pray, for them? Sure.
Love them? Sure.

Love is not the opposite of Hate.
God Loves ALL of His creations, yet He also Hates (strongly dislikes) much of His creations.

We know this Because: Nearly ALL (with the Exclusion of Remaining Holy Angels) of His creations have become Corrupt;
1) Some Angels that were holy
2) All earthly men
3) the earth
4) the lower heavens


Which SHALL be Changed or Destroyed.
The Change IS Only Possible "by" belief of the individual, "through" the Advocate, Christ Jesus.

Fact is; Some people Do Not want to Change.
Fact is: Some people are content, have excuses, don't trust Change is possible,
Etc.

A Church should be a place an individual can "come as you Are"... and "leave as a New creature".

Some things I have noticed IS Some Churches are welcoming persons "as they Are"... and almost celebrating "how they Are", without consideration of Gods Word, that the celebration is effective, AFTER a "Change" has been effected.

A drunkard who enters a Church Drunk to flaunt their drunkenness, is not acceptable.
A Fornicater who enters a Church to Fornicate in the Church is not acceptable.
A Cheater, Thief, Liar who enters a Church to promote or arrange deals of cheating, thievery, lying is not acceptable.
Nor do I believe a homosexual who enters a Church to flaunt their homosexuality is acceptable.

This has nothing to do with Love. Love is one thing; Accepting behaviors of men is another thing.

God Bless,
Taken
 
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Seriously, the Catholic Church may need to educate its members better.
The CC HAS produced many methods (online, books, documents, TV shows, Catechism etc.) to educate it's members. Isn't the onus on one to learn what is written/taught and not on the teacher?
 

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The CC HAS produced many methods (online, books, documents, TV shows, Catechism etc.) to educate it's members. Isn't the onus on one to learn what is written/taught and not on the teacher?
I thought people had classes before being confirmed. Am I wrong?
 

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It may be an answer you don't like (to vague possibly) but it is an answer.
I asked you a question about facts, and you responded as if you could read minds, as if living next door to people with impure thoughts could damage you. You're a dodger. It's hard to hold meaningful conversations with someone who dodges.
 

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Yes, I know that; and if you taken single men as priests, you'll be running a risk they won't be able to control their urges whether heterosexual or homosexual. If the Catholic Church thinks that's a risk worth taking, they can take it; but history shows, I think, that it's not.
Couldn't the same be said of a person taking a marital vow (control their urges)?

Or a person who is a cleptomaniac?
 

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I don't have a husband -- but I'd prefer to live next to people who weren't "on the prowl" sexually. Do you have an answer for the question I asked?
Which question is that?

I thought I was responding to a statement you made....