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That affirmation becomes valid only if put into practice

That affirmation is always valid, because it is the Truth!

Thank you for acknowledging that we do indeed confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, the Son of God...

As for practice, for 2000 years the Church has offered to the Father, through, with, and in her High Priest and Saviour, the pure sacrifice fortold in Malachi 1:11.

The entire life of the Church flows from Him and is ordered to Him.

As you see this clearly is not antichrist, and your speculations are proven spurious...

It's never to late, in this life, to return to the Feast!

Peace be with you!
 
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As for practice, for 2000 years the Church has offered to the Father, through, with, and in her High Priest and Saviour, the pure sacrifice fortold in Malachi 1:11.
Personally, I don't believe your church's creedal formula of the trinity is a clear affirmation of the Sonship of Christ. Eternally begotten? How can He be a Son if He is as ancient as His Father? As for the sacrifice...the incense in scripture where it is used metaphorically, means prayer, nothing else. And you need to talk to BoL and your other brethren on this forum who swear black and blue that the priest is not offering another sacrifice, because they say they understand the truth of one sacrifice for many.
As for that round wafer...it is just that. It has a representative meaning, but the moment Catholics bow down before it, genuflect before the altar, proclaim that it is God, it becomes an idol, and when surrounded by the sun, and the pagan crescent underneath, it is pure sun worship, as is the depiction of the solar wheel in St Peter's square, the obelisk itself, the exaltation of the Mithra sourced sunday, and numerous other addons and appendages that the church has taped to the gospel.
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Personally, I don't believe your church's creedal formula of the trinity is a clear affirmation of the Sonship of Christ. Eternally begotten? How can He be a Son if He is as ancient as His Father?

because God does not change! God is always Father and Son and Spirit. This reality transcends time.

As for the sacrifice...the incense in scripture where it is used metaphorically, means prayer, nothing else.

The didache was written while some apostles may still have been alive:

1. On the Lord's Day of the Lord come together, break bread and hold Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions that your offering may be pure;
2. But let none who has a quarrel with his fellow join in your meeting until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice be not defiled.
3. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord, "In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice, for I am a great king," saith the Lord, "and my name is wonderful among the heathen."


you will find that in chapter 14 here: ~The Didache~

This Truth is attested to by all the ancient apostolic communities...

You reject it at your peril.

And you need to talk to BoL and your other brethren on this forum who swear black and blue that the priest is not offering another sacrifice, because they say they understand the truth of one sacrifice for many.


It is not 'another sacrifice'. We celebrate the ONE sacrifice of Christ, and to it we unite our praise and thanksgiving, yes our very selves, offering all that we are to our Father!
Can anything else even possibly fulfill Malachi 1:11 ?

As for that round wafer...it is just that. It has a representative meaning...]

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Again, the living witness of the 2000 year old apostolic communities says otherwise...

And if you won't believe them. how could I possibly persuade you.

I will say this, if you stick to truly turning your life over to Jesus, and leave your crusade against the Catholic Church, He will lead you to the feast, in this world or the next... but if you continue to speak evil of the Church and the Eucharist, it will not go well for you.

And so I urge you to set you mind on heavenly things, on the Home to which we are on pilgrimage... on Faith, Hope and Love... leave the bitterness behind and LOVE!

Peace!
 
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@Philip James ignoring the elephant in the room will result in a mountain of poop in all the wrong places. Justifying idolatry by turning to post apostolic writers and philosophers is placing them in the place of the authority of God's word. But hey, that's precisely what Catholicism is all about, which is why it is impossible to compare it with Christianity as they come from completely different set of foundation.
 
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So how does the Papacy fulfil all those characteristics and criteria of placing itself in a position of a counterfeit Christ?
She has to fulfil the following from Revelation 13...
  • Rise from water...oh, and then sit on it as a part of Babylon the Great, being Mother...
  • Receive her power, her throne, and her authority from the dragon...
  • Live for 1260 days or 42 months (3 1/2 years) in its initial phase...
  • Blaspheme...
  • Persecute Christians (saints)...
  • Have the characteristics of a leopard, a bear, a lion, and a dragon...
  • Die from a mortal wound to its head...
  • Be resurrected...
  • Proclaim itself as God in His temple...
  • Be worshipped after her resurrection...
If anyone can think of anything else, we'll discuss that to. Oh, and of course, not to forget those details from Daniel 7:19-26 some of which are the same as the above from Revelation...
  • Growing out of the head of the fourth beast...
  • Rising up (from water) among ten other political powers...
  • Uprooting three of them...
  • Living from the time of that fourth beast all the way down to the judgement...
  • But while being a horn as were the others it grew among, it was in some way diverse from them...
  • And yes, blasphemy and persecution of the saints during the same time period (3 1/2 years).
Getting back into the above topic. How does the papacy fulfill the criteria demanded of scripture to qualify as the Antichrist? I have dealt with the first one above, and another brought up by Philip James. Now to the next...
How was it that the papacy received its authority, it's throne, and power from the Dragon, as revealed in Revelation 13:4?

First let us identify the Dragon. Revelation 12 is very clear and unarguable... The Dragon is the devil... Satan. However, he does not work directly in world affairs but uses willing and compliant human agencies to do his will. Again, from revelation 12, we see the Dragon described as being standing before the woman, which in prophetic understanding represents the church or God's people, but also in a literal sense in this context could mean Mary herself. The Dragon... The devil... Was standing before the woman to kill the child as soon as it was born according to the text. But the devil couldn't do this directly, do needed a surrogate. And in this particular pinstance it was Herod, Rome's puppet King. So as the devil's representative, it was pagan time that sought to murder Jesus from the very beginning. More on this shortly.
 
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In Daniel 7 the prophecy/vision reveals four empires. Babylon, Meda/Persia, Greece, and Rome. The fourth beast has certain characteristics identical to the picture of the dragon that John showed us in Revelation that desired to devour the child....

The dragon...devil...Satan.
Revel.12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Pagan Rome...
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Composite of all 4 empires...In Revelation 13, the composite beast also is described thus...
1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Receiving its power, authority, and throne (right to rule) from the dragon, and/or his agent, pagan Rome...2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The beast with ten horns in Daniel 7 is Pagan Rome. That all 3 powers are related to Rome is without controversy. Herod was Rome's representative when standing before the mother seeking to devour the child at birth. Rome is the connecting agant in all these different contexts, but did pagan Rome truly give the papacy its power, authority, and throne or right to rule?

In 533 A. D. Justinian, the emperor ruling from Constantinople, proclaimed a decree which recognized the Pope's headship over all the churches of east and west. This decree was actually a letter written by Justinian to Pope John. The letter was included in The Code of Justinian which is a collection of Justinian's laws. It must be remembered that this letter had the force of law. In effect, the Code of Justinian was the standard law of all Europe for over one thousand years until it was replaced in the late 1700's by the Code of Napoleon. Part of Justinian's decree reads as follows:
Therefore, we have exerted ourselves to unite all the priests of the East and
subject them to the See of Your Holiness, and hence the questions which have at
present arisen, although they are manifest and free from doubt, and, according to
the doctrine of Your Apostolic See, are constantly firmly observed and preached by
all priests. . . because you are the head of all the Holy Churches, for We shall exert
Ourselves in every way (as has already been stated), to increase the honor and
authority of your See. . .@ (S. P. Scott, The Civil Law, vol. 12, pp. 11-13).


The significance of this decree is that the Roman Emperor was legitimizing the spiritual authority of the Pope. The state was using its clout to proclaim that only the Pope was the authentic spokesman for orthodox Christianity. This decree was given in 533 A. D.

This decree placed in the Code of Justinian legitimised the secular political power of the Catholic church (through its Popes) under Roman law. However, this legal role had been from time to time practiced by the Popes from the time Constantine had removed the capital to Instanbul (Constantinople). In 533AD the Popes could not freely exercise that authority because of the ruling Ostrogoths in Rome under their king ( I think on memory, Odoacer. (Somehow I don't think that's right...the correct name may come to me). The Ostrogoths decided who would be the bishop of Rome...therefore the Popes only ruled by permission. This, despite the letter from Justinian, was a thorn in the side and greatly offensive to the current bishop because the Ostrogoths, though Christian, were "Arian" (whatever that meant at the time), and certainly did not view themselves as being under Papal authority. This was remedied 5 years later after much pleading from Rome, when Justinian sent his general Belisarius and his army to get rid of the Ostrogoth yoke...the decisive battle taking place in 538AD , a second battle a little later in Ravenna, and from then on the Ostrogoths ceased to be a nation. They were the third and final horn of the 3 to be uprooted. (See Daniel 7:8) before that little horn (the Papacy) could make full independent use of its religious and secular authority and sit upon its throne with confidence and security.
 

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In Daniel 7 the prophecy/vision reveals four empires. Babylon, Meda/Persia, Greece, and Rome. The fourth beast has certain characteristics identical to the picture of the dragon that John showed us in Revelation that desired to devour the child....

The dragon...devil...Satan.
Revel.12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Pagan Rome...
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Composite of all 4 empires...In Revelation 13, the composite beast also is described thus...
1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Receiving its power, authority, and throne (right to rule) from the dragon, and/or his agent, pagan Rome...2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The beast with ten horns in Daniel 7 is Pagan Rome. That all 3 powers are related to Rome is without controversy. Herod was Rome's representative when standing before the mother seeking to devour the child at birth. Rome is the connecting agant in all these different contexts, but did pagan Rome truly give the papacy its power, authority, and throne or right to rule?

In 533 A. D. Justinian, the emperor ruling from Constantinople, proclaimed a decree which recognized the Pope's headship over all the churches of east and west. This decree was actually a letter written by Justinian to Pope John. The letter was included in The Code of Justinian which is a collection of Justinian's laws. It must be remembered that this letter had the force of law. In effect, the Code of Justinian was the standard law of all Europe for over one thousand years until it was replaced in the late 1700's by the Code of Napoleon. Part of Justinian's decree reads as follows:
Therefore, we have exerted ourselves to unite all the priests of the East and
subject them to the See of Your Holiness, and hence the questions which have at
present arisen, although they are manifest and free from doubt, and, according to
the doctrine of Your Apostolic See, are constantly firmly observed and preached by
all priests. . . because you are the head of all the Holy Churches, for We shall exert
Ourselves in every way (as has already been stated), to increase the honor and
authority of your See. . .@ (S. P. Scott, The Civil Law, vol. 12, pp. 11-13).


The significance of this decree is that the Roman Emperor was legitimizing the spiritual authority of the Pope. The state was using its clout to proclaim that only the Pope was the authentic spokesman for orthodox Christianity. This decree was given in 533 A. D.

This decree placed in the Code of Justinian legitimised the secular political power of the Catholic church (through its Popes) under Roman law. However, this legal role had been from time to time practiced by the Popes from the time Constantine had removed the capital to Instanbul (Constantinople). In 533AD the Popes could not freely exercise that authority because of the ruling Ostrogoths in Rome under their king ( I think on memory, Odoacer. (Somehow I don't think that's right...the correct name may come to me). The Ostrogoths decided who would be the bishop of Rome...therefore the Popes only ruled by permission. This, despite the letter from Justinian, was a thorn in the side and greatly offensive to the current bishop because the Ostrogoths, though Christian, were "Arian" (whatever that meant at the time), and certainly did not view themselves as being under Papal authority. This was remedied 5 years later after much pleading from Rome, when Justinian sent his general Belisarius and his army to get rid of the Ostrogoth yoke...the decisive battle taking place in 538AD , a second battle a little later in Ravenna, and from then on the Ostrogoths ceased to be a nation. They were the third and final horn of the 3 to be uprooted. (See Daniel 7:8) before that little horn (the Papacy) could make full independent use of its religious and secular authority and sit upon its throne with confidence and security.

This is your denomination's understanding of Daniel 7, and for what it is worth, I would not hold to this POV as it is flawed.

My view is that the four winds of heaven that stir up the great sea of humanity to manifest their dominate characteristic within humanity in the various people groups, kingdoms and empires on the face of the earth through their respective influences, are cohorts of Satan's who rebelled with him against God. In Daniel 7:9-12 we have a picture of God Judging the four winds of heaven/beasts in heaven and they including Satan and the little horn, i.e. the false prophet, are kicked out of heaven down to the earth and immediately imprisoned in a pit/abyss/bottomless pit for 1,000 years at the same time that the gentile kings of the earth are judged on the earth. (Revelation 12, 13, 20, Isaiah 24:21-22)

Within the manifestations of the four winds of heaven/beasts we can identify the people groups, kingdoms and empires that have subjected themselves to the influences of the respective four winds of heaven/beasts, but the Roman Empire, God informs us in the Book of Joel is a subset of the Grecian empire which was divided into four after Alexandra the great died.

The Roman Empire is also not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy concerning the kings over the land of Babylon, as their is a gap in the prophecy's fulfilment, which is a little longer than 2,000-years, between verses 39 and 40 in the Statue prophecy, which started around the year 120 BC and the gap in the prophecy ended in the year 1926 when Babylon was remembered once more so that God's wrath could fall once more on the land and the people who came to live in the land of Babylon. Jeremiah 50:35-40 tells us that the land of Babylon will be desolated and devastated for a period of round 2,000-years. Revelation 16:17-21 tells us when Babylon will be remembered once more and the events that will occur surrounding this remembrance of Babylon once more.

If Babylon did not exist during the time of the Roman Empires existence, then the roman empire is not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy and since the theory that you adhere too lings the segments of the Statue to the four manifestations of the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, then the roman Empire cannot be the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12 as you are claiming. Yes I agree that the roman Empire had dominion over the land of Canaan during the Roman Empire's existence but that does not make the roman Empire the fourth beast as you are claiming.

Both the Scriptures and the historical record confirms these facts.

Shalom
 
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This is your denomination's understanding of Daniel 7, and for what it is worth, I would not hold to this POV as it is flawed.

My view i
How does your view make it more relevant and unflawed?
 

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How does your view make it more relevant and unflawed?

I could ask you the same question.

However to answer your question: - Because I am keeping to what the scripture tells us and what is confirmed by history.

However, your expressed understanding is based on the evidence of over a hundred years ago. Since then a number of prophesised events have unfolded which lead to a very different understanding. Particularly Genesis 15:16 in 1948 when the fig tree began to bud. Revelation 16:17-21 during the last centaury, and Revelations 16:12-16 in part with only the gathering of the nations at Armageddon to be judged, which will occur in around 25 years time.

Shalom.
 
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ok well you got ten fingers too bro lol
good stuff tho, ty :)
how ya been?
Doing okay thanks. Living in a new part of the city on the edge of a national Park. Trees and Wildlife everywhere. All helps to cope with the daily battle.
 
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Justifying idolatry by turning to post apostolic writers and philosophers is placing them in the place of the authority of God's word.

Worshipping Jesus Christ is never idolatry. HE IS the Incarnate God Himeslf.

Ignoring the 2000 year old teaching of the Church and following the 150? year old traditions of some Johnny-come-lately jackdaw is placing oneself 'outside the authority of God' word'

No one is condemned for not believing man's words...

Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me."

Pax!
 
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The Roman Empire is also not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy concerning the kings over the land of Babylon, as their is a gap in the prophecy's fulfilment, which is a little longer than 2,000-years, between verses 39 and 40 in the Statue prophecy, which started around the year 120 BC and the gap in the prophecy ended in the year 1926 when Babylon was remembered once more so that God's wrath could fall once more on the land and the people who came to live in the land of Babylon.
Your claim that your interpretation of scripture is based on scripture falls apart with the above quote. This is nothing other than human conjecture and guesswork. Where in the Bible does it say or even intimate there is a gap in time between verses in Daniel 2?
Your whole theology is founded upon that gap... And it doesn't exist. It doesn't need to exist, as there are perfectly good historical reasons that do not necessitate the insert of any gap. Rome followed after Greece in the timeline, and was destroyed. Not was Babylon... Nor was Media-Persia... Nor was Greece.., as evidenced by the first composite beast of Revelation 13. In John's time... In the midst of the reign of the Caesars, Join
John saw a remnant of those empires within that beast... The first 3 may not have been ruling politically, but the spiritual and pagan ideals and principles upon which those empires were established, lived on. And along with Rome, continued to live on in the character, the offices, the practises, and the principles of Catholicism. All of which I have revealed in previous posts. You may disagree with it, and believe your scenario of a modern Israel state fulfilling prophecy is the way to go. But by doing so you are doing two things.
You are denying that the foundation's upon which the historicist hermeneutic are laid... History... Is valid and real. The history which I have shown didn't go away because you decide to look elsewhere.
Second, you are very conveniently hiding the true Antichrist from public view. Whose side are you on? If a particular entity meets all the criteria of Antichrist, why look you for another? Why deny the obvious?
If Babylon did not exist during the time of the Roman Empires existence, then the roman empire is not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy and since the theory that you adhere too lings the segments of the Statue to the four manifestations of the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, then the roman Empire cannot be the fourth beast of Daniel 7:1-12 as you are claiming. Yes I agree that the roman Empire had dominion over the land of Canaan during the Roman Empire's existence but that does not make the roman Empire the fourth beast as you are claiming.
I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Like I said above, ask those empires continued in principle and spiritual ideal in the subsequent powers. They still exist today... Not because Babylon had been resurrected, but because she never went away. Look at the symbolism throughout the RCC. as I have shown just a little if above. There are sources of Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome all through Catholicism. The papacy is a union of church and state which is a wholly pagan concept if not a God derived and driven theocracy. And the fruits of Catholicism and the means by which she was established was also wholly Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman in how it was carried out. In a previous post I proved how those characteristics are still evident in the CC, and are a direct fulfillment of that composite beast. What further evidence does one need?
 
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Worshipping Jesus Christ is never idolatry. HE IS the Incarnate God Himeslf.

Ignoring the 2000 year old teaching of the Church and following the 150? year old traditions of some Johnny-come-lately jackdaw is placing oneself 'outside the authority of God' word'



Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me."

Pax!
First, please quote me in full of you are going to quote at all...
No one is condemned for not believing man's words... Especially those that directly contradict scripture. Including any creedal formula for the Godhead.
Your churches teachings are older that 2000 years... As I've shown in the above photos, your pagan philosophies and principles are as old as man.... Since Satan first lied to Eve... You shall not surely die... And you also can be gods. Happy to furnish you with quotes from popes and prelates bestowing upon the Pope titles such as as God on earth.
Your spiritual sounding language and your encouragement to live a life founded on truth and love is noted. Also noted is your adroit side string of the actual subject at hand. How your church meets the criteria of Antichrist. All the criteria. Even the one from John that you mentioned, and as I explained. And how do you justify all the pagan occult imagery of the headquarters of your church? How is that not an accurate representation of the foundation's upon which your church is built? And please, do not give the excuse.. Oh, Christianity conquered paganism. No, it has not. Paganism is alive and well... The exaltation of the day of Mithra... The Sun worship... The honouring of pagan gods under different disguises... The flowery Christian language does not negate these and other issues which this thread has pointed out.
 
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@Philip James as I've detailed earlier in the thread, your church's coveting of global political power is really the elephant that you are ignoring. What is taking place today in world politics and religion is the final Satanically inspired plan for a one work global governance under the headship of the Antichrist... The papal power... The composite pagan counterfeit church/state union now being promoted by the UN. The Christian facade which you personally espouse is just that...a facade... Because underneath the system is a corrupt den of lying Luciferian Jesuits bent on the destruction of Protestantism and religious freedom. And I have no doubt that Christian forms such as these have Jesuits regularly encouraging everyone that there is nothing to worry about... Just love each other and all will be well.
 

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Your claim that your interpretation of scripture is based on scripture falls apart with the above quote. This is nothing other than human conjecture and guesswork. Where in the Bible does it say or even intimate there is a gap in time between verses in Daniel 2?
Your whole theology is founded upon that gap... And it doesn't exist. It doesn't need to exist, as there are perfectly good historical reasons that do not necessitate the insert of any gap. Rome followed after Greece in the timeline, and was destroyed. Not was Babylon... Nor was Media-Persia... Nor was Greece.., as evidenced by the first composite beast of Revelation 13. In John's time... In the midst of the reign of the Caesars, Join
John saw a remnant of those empires within that beast... The first 3 may not have been ruling politically, but the spiritual and pagan ideals and principles upon which those empires were established, lived on. And along with Rome, continued to live on in the character, the offices, the practises, and the principles of Catholicism. All of which I have revealed in previous posts. You may disagree with it, and believe your scenario of a modern Israel state fulfilling prophecy is the way to go. But by doing so you are doing two things.
You are denying that the foundation's upon which the historicist hermeneutic are laid... History... Is valid and real. The history which I have shown didn't go away because you decide to look elsewhere.
Second, you are very conveniently hiding the true Antichrist from public view. Whose side are you on? If a particular entity meets all the criteria of Antichrist, why look you for another? Why deny the obvious?

Your apologetic argument hinges on the fact that the Roman Empire followed the Grecian Empire in the earth's timeline, and I agree with this understanding, but the Roman Empire had no dominion or rule over the Land of Babylon ever and this fact is recorded in the Scriptures and in the recorded history of the period around the time of the roman Empire's existence.

In the English translation Jeremiah 50:39, it has been badly translated as: -

Jeremiah 50:39-40: -
39 "Therefore the wild desert beasts shall dwell there with the jackals,
And the ostriches shall dwell in it.
It shall be inhabited no more forever,
Nor shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.
40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah
And their neighbors," says the Lord,
"So no one shall reside there,
Nor son of man dwell in it. (NKJV)​
or

Jeremiah 50:39-40: - 39 So the desert creatures and hyenas will live there’ and ostriches will dwell there. It will never again be inhabited or settled from generation to generation. 40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah along with their neighboring towns, declares the LORD, no one will dwell there; no man will abide there. (Berean Study bible)​

The Translations of "
no more forever" and "
will never again be" gives the understanding that Babylon will be devastated and desolated with no more inhabitants for an infinitely prolonged period of time, however the Hebrew Root H:5331 has the meaning of: - a goal, i.e. the bright object at a distance travelled towards, and has a finite period of time which is confirmed by the phrase; - "" but wrongly translated as "
from generation to generation

" where "עַד־ דּ֥וֹר וָדֽוֹר (reading right to left) ‘aḏ- dō·wr wā·ḏō·wr" should be translated as "for an age and an age" which tells us that it is for two ages and therefore for a period of time which is a little longer than 2,000 years it will not be inhabited which is for a finite period of time. Therefore my paraphrase of this portion of Hebrew text is: -

"It shall not be inhabited for a period of time, nor dwelt in for two ages."

Now the verse before the above two verses tells us that it is the king from the north that will desolate, i.e. remove all of the peoples of the land of Babylon and that they will desolate the land such that it will not be lived in. After this period of time another king of the north, during the time that the Israelites come seeking the Lord, will enter the land of Babylon and have dominion over it for period of time.


Now if you can show me that my understanding of the Jeremiah 50:39-40 scripture passage is in error, then I will bow to your better understanding, but because of your displayed hatred in you posts of the Roman Catholic Church and your insistence that it is the four beast and the antichrist etc., I doubt that you will be able to discern the truth of the scriptures anyway.

You then go on to say: - ". . you are very conveniently hiding the true Antichrist from public view. Whose side are you on? If a particular entity meets all the criteria of Antichrist, why look you for another?"

Firstly the beast that is worshipped in Revelation 13, is a form of the Antichrist that you re linking to the RCC, but your timeline of when this beast rises up out of the earth, i.e. out of the Bottomless pit, is still in our distant future being over a thousand years into our future and if Christ is to be worshipped during the Millennium Age during his time of dominion over the earth, then can you positively demonstrate from scripture that the RCC will still be in existence a 1,000 plus years from now.

You claim that you know the answers, but your hermeneutics is flawed, based on fallible translations of the source texts that were used to create them.

Need I go on.

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You are mixing your beasts. It is the first beast from the sea of Revelation 13 that is worshipped, and it is the beast from the earth that enforces that worship. If the second beast enforces worship of the first beast then they are contemporary. If that first beast is a composite of all the four previous beasts, which it is, then those four original beasts are also contemporaneously coexisting within the psyche and principles espoused by both political/religio systems which the beasts represent.
So throwing the entire scenario into the distant future tears apart the whole character and nature and identity of all the participants in the play. And you are doing this totally despite the fact that those two beasts, powers, are playing out their respective roles in front of your face right now and fully in accordance to prophecy.
For Babylon to exist, it doesn't mean she had to occupy the same territory... In fact all the actors in the drama are now global spiritual entities... Not local political ones.
The King of the North is a global spiritual power... Not the political ruler of Russia. Israel is the global church... Not the local political power. And those will be the only two players left in the drama. The only player/beast/power yet to be gobbled up by the global apostasy is that second beast, and as soon as that one fully surrenders its sovereignty to the first beast and coerces the world into the false counterfeit worship of the first beast, then only two powers remain... One representing the devil, the other representing Christ. Babylon and Israel.
But Babylon is not now what Jeremiah saw. Babylon is in disguise. The devil is all about deception. The secret societies... The UN.... the Empire of the Prince of this world, is Babylon. Which is why the Christian message is to come out of her... Come out of the world. And it's message for today. Not a1000 years time. Read Revelation 14:6-12 . That's the gospel... And it's for today.
 
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