Calvinism

Preacher4Truth · Oct 16, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
You forgot one describing the unsaved. 1 John 1:6

It, as well as 8 and 10 are unsaved. Notice they are all separated from one another by one verse.

Are you relating to 1 John 1:8? Sorry about that, but verse 9 tells you how to become a Christian, so there is hope for you.

1 John 1:9 isn't speaking about how to become a Christian. As per usual you misunderstand, misinterpret, abuse, misuse and take Scripture out of context as many natural persons do.

Preacher4Truth · Oct 16, 2019

amadeus said:
For Jesus personally it was finished indeed. He was ready to die. Are we? Only if we lean on Jesus continually will he be the finisher of our faith. We must hold to Him by faith until He has finished also the work in us:

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Heb 12:2

Which Jesus? The Mormon Jesus?

John Caldwell · Oct 16, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
He did have someone killed because they didn't believe what he taught. Willie knows. But I'm sure that information is not uncovered in your church.

It was probably explained away or ignored (just as Reformed Baptists ignore or explain away Calvin's doctrine of baptism and opinion of those who affirm believer's baptism).

Truth, like word meanings and history, is subjective to these guys. It's postmodernism (or post-postmodernism) Calvinism. The old Calvinists may have been wrong but they came about and defended their wrongness honestly.

Preacher4Truth · Oct 16, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
Yes, and I'm sorry. I am against all doctrines of demons, not just Calvinism, and frustrated that none of the followers have ever learned to read Scripture in context. That is just plain dumb. We have to know the meaning of the words of the Author. And you cannot do that without context. I judge the teachers of false doctrine, but we are still accountable to check what they say for accuracy.

That's amazing really, seeing you perpetually slander others, call them lost, demonic by implication and take Scripture out of context. You rarely, if ever, get it right. Just an observation. But, have you ever wondered why?

farouk · Oct 16, 2019

amadeus said:
For Jesus personally it was finished indeed. He was ready to die. Are we? Only if we lean on Jesus continually will he be the finisher of our faith. We must hold to Him by faith until He has finished also the work in us:

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Heb 12:2

Philippians 1.6: 'He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ'. As the next chapter says (2.13), 'it is God that worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure'.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Oct 16, 2019

John Caldwell,

It was probably explained away or ignored (just as Reformed Baptists ignore or explain away Calvin's doctrine of baptism and opinion of those who affirm believer's baptism).

I have never heard a Reformed Baptist explain it away. They understand the differences.

Truth, like word meanings and history, is subjective to these guys

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Not at all. In scripture,the biblical meaning is the correct one.

It's postmodernism (or post-postmodernism) Calvinism. The old Calvinists may have been wrong but they came about and defended their wrongness honestly.

Your critique seems to miss quite a bit. Your love for the Calvinist brothers shines right through.

CharismaticLady · Oct 17, 2019

Preacher4Truth said:
1 John 1:9 isn't speaking about how to become a Christian. As per usual you misunderstand, misinterpret, abuse, misuse and take Scripture out of context as many natural persons do.

How much sin is cleansed? ALL! Yes, that is what Jesus does for those who repent of their sins. But you don't recognize that we have a new nature. You are taught the doctrine of demons that we will always sin, we will always have a carnal nature, and all Jesus does is take away the penalty for sin. That is why you teach Jesus cleanses us of our past, present and future sins, though that doctrine is NO WHERE in Scripture. Only our past sins are taken away, and a new nature is given to us that doesn't desire to sin - if indeed one has been given His Spirit, without which you do NOT belong to Jesus. Romans 8:9. You also believe if we work hard enough we can overcome some of those sins, as if it is all up to us and not the power of Jesus. That is just foolishness to your denomination. But when Jesus frees us from sin, we are free indeed! John 8:34-36.

CharismaticLady · Oct 17, 2019

Preacher4Truth said:
That's amazing really, seeing you perpetually slander others, call them lost, demonic by implication and take Scripture out of context. You rarely, if ever, get it right. Just an observation. But, have you ever wondered why?

You misjudge me, because you don't understand the Spirit. You don't have a clue what the Scriptures mean. This is why you take Scripture out of context like Romans 7:14-23, and 1 John 1:8-10. Don't you find it scary that you relate more to Scriptures describing the life of the unsaved, and can't relate to the power of the Spirit-filled life of a born again Christian?

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.

CharismaticLady · Oct 17, 2019

Preacher4Truth said:
Which Jesus? The Mormon Jesus?

Seeing as Amadeus is Christian and not Mormon, isn't that an off the wall thing to say?

SovereignGrace · Oct 17, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Maybe it was unintentional, in that case wouldn’t it not count?

Nope. It was intentional.

CharismaticLady · Oct 17, 2019

Preacher4Truth said:
1 John 1:9 isn't speaking about how to become a Christian. As per usual you misunderstand, misinterpret, abuse, misuse and take Scripture out of context as many natural persons do.

When you read 1 John 1:8 and 9 together, it is indeed how the unsaved person in verse 8 becomes a Christian. That is called "context." But you would recognize that if you knew that verses 6, 8 and 10 are all unsaved. Verses 5-10 are contrasts of light vs. darkness; truth vs. no truth. That is why 8 and 10 which virtually are saying almost the same thing are separated. Verse 9 would apply to 10 as well, but it comes before it.

SovereignGrace · Oct 17, 2019

Mjh29 said:
I agree. The Law is perfect; the problem is man's inherent sin nature. We all have an inclination to sin; we are born with it.

It freed us from the penalty, yes. But that does not then mean that breaking the law is not a sin. Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I can go murder someone because I'm "no longer under the law."

That's correct; in Christ there is no sin. He is the only human being who will ever be counted as perfect. We are viewed as perfect because of His robes of righteousness, but we in and of ourselves are still sinners. We are just sinners saved by the grace of God. When we stumble, we have a mediator between us and God to plead our case on behalf of His blood and sacrifice.

Because he was still human. Because the flesh is constantly at war with the Spirit, and forever will be until we are with Christ in glory. We should make constant effort to weed out any and all sin in our lives, and should learn more and more to be like Christ.

So, you've called me stupid AND slandered my name... that's 2 sins.

~ James 4:11
~ 1 Peter 2:1
~ Ephesians 4:31
~ Ephesians 4:29

For such a sinless one as her, her sin count keeps piling up.

CharismaticLady · Oct 17, 2019

SovereignGrace said:
For such a sinless one as her, her sin count keeps piling up.

Hey! It is sinless one as "she" not "her." LOL

Waiting on him · Oct 17, 2019

SovereignGrace said:
For such a sinless one as her, her sin count keeps piling up.

Maybe it’s a new manifestation of the spirit, instead of slaying in the spirit it’s now slandering in the spirit?

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
He did have someone killed because they didn't believe what he taught. Willie knows. But I'm sure that information is not uncovered in your church.

Are you referring to Servetus? If so, I suggest you read up a bit on the history because you are missing some facts.

John Caldwell said:
It was probably explained away or ignored (just as Reformed Baptists ignore or explain away Calvin's doctrine of baptism and opinion of those who affirm believer's baptism).

Truth, like word meanings and history, is subjective to these guys. It's postmodernism (or post-postmodernism) Calvinism. The old Calvinists may have been wrong but they came about and defended their wrongness honestly.

John, John, John. Seriously? Explained away or ignored like Calvin's doctrine of Baptism?

I do not know of any reformed Baptists, myself included, that ignore what Calvin taught on Baptism. But here is the thing, WE DO NOT FOLLOW CALVIN. We follow Scripture. Big difference. It is for that reason I really don't call myself a Calvinist out of allegiance to Calvin, but only because when people say Calvinist they are, most of the time, only talking about his soteriology. To try and lump a Reformed Baptist in with all of Calvin's teachings is absurd and you know it.

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

John Caldwell said:
Typically Reformed churches teach one cannot be a Baptist and a Calvinist.

This is only true of the Presbyterian variety of Reformed. Baptists have been reformed for centuries.

Enoch111 said:
Spurgeon was a Calvinist, but one can see in his sermons how conflicted he was.

He was conflicted not because he thought it was error. He was conflicted because some of these pills are hard to swallow.

Enoch111 said:
And for those who have no interest in what theologians believe (or not believe) TULIP is contrary to the true Gospel of Grace. When anyone denies that Christ died for the sins of the whole world, he or she is already promoting *another gospel* (Galatians 1). And any other gospel is accursed.

Here is the problem. You assume that world means every individual person all the time. It doesn't. How do I know? I will prove it to you.

The World Series is coming up and the announcer will probably say something like, "The eyes of the whole world are on this moment." Does that literally mean that every person on earth is watching that baseball game? Of COURSE NOT! That would be absurd since a good portion of the world does not even have a way to watch that game.

Yet you try to force that on Scripture without looking at the context of the verses and how the word world is actually being used each time. That is the true false gospel.

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
I repeat. Too much hate.

What hate? Give citations please. That's a pretty big charge against a man who has dedicated his entire life the the service of the Lord.

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
Absolutely not! I'm not opening that book again. He must have been possessed when he wrote it.

So this is fake news. A false charge without evidence.

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

John Caldwell said:
I agree Christ paid the penalty for our sins. The difference, however, is that Calvin (and Reformed doctrines of a Calvinistic trajectory) take this a bit farther. They would say that God punished Christ for our sins (which is neither biblical or a historically Christian belief).

What in the world do you think a penalty is? It is a punishment.

John Caldwell · Oct 17, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
John Caldwell,

I have never heard a Reformed Baptist explain it away. They understand the differences.

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Not at all. In scripture,the biblical meaning is the correct one.

Your

David Taylor said:
What in the world do you think a penalty is? It is a punishment.

LOL....yes, you are right and that was a poor choice of words on my part. Scripture does not state that Christ ever "paid a penalty for our sins" but instead purchased us with His precious blood, that it is by His stripes that we are healed, and that we escape the wrath to come.

Thanks for the correction.

BTW, it's good to see you here. You and I have agreed on some things and disagreed on this topic, but you are often refreshingly honest (for a Calvinist

).

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