Urgent warning about Donald Trump

Butterfly · Oct 16, 2019

Giuliano said:
Yes. Wikipedia has an article about child marriage in the US. Oddly enough, I heard about the problem first on the BBC. I was shocked. I thought things like that happened mostly in Muslim countries. Boy, was I wrong about that. It doesn't get discussed that much by Americans. Some states have no age limit at all.

Child marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

Every state except Delaware and New Jersey allows underage marriage in exceptional circumstances if one or more of the following circumstances apply:

consent of a court clerk or judge (sometimes the consent of a superior court judge, rather than a local judge, is required)

consent of the parents or legal guardians of the minor

if one of the parties is pregnant

if the minor has given birth to a child

if the minor is emancipated.

So, as of May 2019, in the 34 states that have set a marriage age by statute, the lower minimum marriage age when all exceptions are taken into account, are:

2 states have a minimum age of 14: Alaska and North Carolina.

4 states have a minimum age of 15.

20 states have a minimum age of 16.

8 states have a minimum age of 17.

From 2017 to 2019 several states changed their law to set a minimum age, or to raise their minimum age.

In Massachusetts the general marriage age is 18, but children may be married with judicial consent with no minimum age limit. In the absence of any statutory minimum age, one opinion is that the minimum common law marriageable age of 12 for girls and 14 for boys may still apply.

Wow, that's an eye opener, as young as 14 in some places !
Over here in the UK you can get married at 16, with your parents consent. Otherwise you have to wait until you are 18. Any sexual activity with anyone under 16 is classed as child abuse.
Rita

Ezra · Oct 16, 2019

Giuliano said:
Yes, why just that one?

if would read i posted the works of the flesh home plate is a long ways off .if out in left field

Ezra · Oct 16, 2019

Butterfly said:
Wow, that's an eye opener, as young as 14 in some places !
Over here in the UK you can get married at 16, with your parents consent. Otherwise you have to wait until you are 18. Any sexual activity with anyone under 16 is classed as child abuse.
Rita

i think its that way in the united states not %100 certain on ages

Ezra · Oct 16, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
Trump is signaling to the elite that he's on board with them. Freemasons communicate with secret hand signs. It becomes clear once you see Reagan, Bush, Clintons, and all the other leaders of other countries all throwing the same hand sign. This alone would be suspect, but coupled with Trump's continued warmongering, North American Trade continuation of sending jobs out of the country, Red Flag Gun Laws push, and packing the WH with CFR is proof whose side he's on and it's NOT YOURS:

Since learning about what Trump is doing with his hands it's uncanny how many actors and actresses I catch throwing the same hand sign. I was watching an old western and an actress threw it right in the middle of a scene. Most people would have brushed it off as being an odd thing to do but I realized that she had been allowed to be a star because that's how it works: they'll make you rich and famous if you become aligned with them. I just saw John Travolta throw the sign in a photo.

Giuliano · Oct 16, 2019

Butterfly said:
Wow, that's an eye opener, as young as 14 in some places !
Over here in the UK you can get married at 16, with your parents consent. Otherwise you have to wait until you are 18. Any sexual activity with anyone under 16 is classed as child abuse.
Rita

I'd settle for 16. The states with 14 is bad enough. In some states, there is no age limit whatsoever. The US is way behind on this if you ask me.

Taken · Oct 17, 2019

Giuliano said:
1. Tell me why some people zero in only on one sin?

Because some people go beyond declaring their sin, to the point of being PROUD of their sin, and in affect want others to become in agreement "with them", that "their" behavior is "not sin".

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

These things also become topic of discussion from time to time, when a case arises.

However those without natural affection, regularly stage well reported public events promoting and exhibiting Pride in Not having natural affection.

I wonder how some people support Donald Trump.

People individually decide what they would like their own nation to stand FOR, and VOTE for a candidate the individual believes is best suited to represent the individuals own ideals.

Oh, he's not gay -- so he's okay.

And? If you and he were homosexual, he would be okay with you?

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Oct 17, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
Trump is signaling to the elite that he's on board with them. Freemasons communicate with secret hand signs. It becomes clear once you see Reagan, Bush, Clintons, and all the other leaders of other countries all throwing the same hand sign.

The “okay” hand gesture—in which the thumb and index finger touch while the other fingers of the hand are held outstretched
dates to at least as early as 17th century, it most commonly signals understanding, consent, approval or well-being in hearing and deaf cultures.

Soverign Grace, are you seriously and utterly unaware of common hand gestures that have been used for centuries around the world by hearing and deaf people?

Glory to God,
Taken

Giuliano · Oct 17, 2019

Taken said:
Because some people go beyond declaring their sin, to the point of being PROUD of their sin, and in affect want others to become in agreement "with them", that "their" behavior is "not sin".

This is something I never saw. I also don't know any gay people who got married. It hasn't affected my life at all.

However those without natural affection, regularly stage well reported public events promoting and exhibiting Pride in Not having natural affection.

They bored me, so I don't pay attention to them.

People individually decide what they would like their own nation to stand FOR, and VOTE for a candidate the individual believes is best suited to represent the individuals own ideals.

That's why I wonder why Christians would vote for Donald Trump.

And? If you and he were homosexual, he would be okay with you?

I don't understand this question, sorry. What I can say is that I don't any man who treated his wives the way he has. If he lied to them and cheated on them, why should I trust him? He doesn't even know me. Allegedly he loved his wives, yet he could treat them as poorly as he did? I am old enough to remember when a divorced person could never have been elected President -- and someone whose wife posed for nude pictures couldn't have.

I don't trust liars no matter what they pretend to be. If the Democrats hadn't nominated a big liar last time, maybe they would won. I asked myself who was the bigger liar, Donald or Hillary? Some marriage she and Bill had!

Willie T · Oct 17, 2019

Giuliano said:
This is something I never saw. I also don't know any gay people who got married. It hasn't affected my life at all.
They bored me, so I don't pay attention to them.

That's why I wonder why Christians would vote for Donald Trump.
I don't understand this question, sorry. What I can say is that I don't any man who treated his wives the way he has. If he lied to them and cheated on them, why should I trust him? He doesn't even know me. Allegedly he loved his wives, yet he could treat them as poorly as he did? I am old enough to remember when a divorced person could never have been elected President -- and someone whose wife posed for nude pictures couldn't have.

I don't trust liars no matter what they pretend to be. If the Democrats hadn't nominated a big liar last time, maybe they would won. I asked myself who was the bigger liar, Donald or Hillary? Some marriage she and Bill had!

So..... as you just said — and, frankly, history proves — both Republicans and Democrats elect the same kinds of Presidents.

Giuliano · Oct 17, 2019

Willie T said:
So..... as you just said — and, frankly, history proves — both Republicans and Democrats elect the same kinds of Presidents.

The people I voted for almost always lost in the primaries. I quit both parties and became a Libertarian -- but that party doesn't thrill me either.

Soverign Grace · Oct 17, 2019

ScottA said:
You are giving people too much credit.

It was not the elite who put a Christian in the White House, and I was not referring to Donald Trump, but Mike Pence. It is God who raises up leaders, not men.

You are also off on your understanding of the commandment not to kill. David, a man after God's own heart, killed. And no man can take or give life. Again...only God does.

In your supposition you (and perhaps Chuck Baldwin) have taken God out of the equation. That makes you wrong. Might want to do something about that.

Scott - haven't you known that someone was evil and others thought the world of him/ her but you KNEW the person better than others and knew he or she was fooling others? You don't really know Pence. When I went to church our pastor stood up there and told us to "Pray for the Bush family because he says he's a Christian." Really??? Since when did CLAIMING to be a Christian MAKE one a Christian??? How EASILY even pastors are fooled!

Pence is right in that oval office bombing innocent people for trumped up reasons. BUT CHRISTIANS ARE CONTENT TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY. Why? Can you answer that?

Just how much EVIL are you willing to sweep under the rug??? It's STARING YOU IN THE FACE!

Yes David killed Uriah but he lost his child because of it - and he suffered greatly because of his sins - you can read it in the Psalms. God allows leaders to be put in their positions but we also have a duty to follow Scripture:

Ephesians 5:15 - See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

CHRISTIANS NEED TO STOP PUTTING THEIR FAITH IN TRUMP:

Jeremiah 17:5-12 - Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Psalms 146:3 - 127:5 - Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Ephesians 6:11-12 - Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Christians are under mass delusion.

If Pence is VP you can be sure he was hand-picked by the illuminati. Pence KNEW he was being photographed so he flashed the masonic hand sign.

NO.3 EL DIABLO
The Devil’s Horns, El Diablo, Diabolicus, Il Cornuto, Sign of the Horns…Illuminati Symbol

George W Bush flashing the Devil’s Horn

According to Illuminati symbolism researcher Texe Marrs in Codex Magica (Read it here, buy it here), Helen Keller herself was an occultist and in the Illuminati’s tradition of hiding symbols in plain sight and keeping the symbols real meaning to Illuminati initiates chose the sign of Satan as the deaf sign for I love You.

According to Illuminati researcher Fritz Springmeier, the sign of the horns is a hypnotic induction which triggers certain programming in Monarch mind-controlled slaves.

Bill Clinton

Prince William

Michael Jackson

Barrack Obama

Hillary Clinton

Ronald Reagan

Rihanna

Quentin Tarantino

Trump constantly flashes the triple six.

I haven't vetted these sources but found this on Pence:

Mike Pence Exposed -- Timothy Holmseth, PedoGate, Child Trafficking ~ Operation Disclosure

Excerpt:

January 3- According to FBI Informant and investigative journalist, Timothy Holmseth, Vice-President of the United States, Michael Pence, is a longtime pedophile and was involved in massive child trafficking and child pornography rings in Indiana during the time he was Governor of that state. Indiana is proven to be a deep state stronghold for Satanic Ritual Abuse rings and multi-layered child-trafficking and baby-farm sales to the CIA, FBI and other government-related agencies.
January 3- According to FBI Informant and investigative journalist, Timothy Holmseth, Vice-President of the United States, Michael Pence, is a longtime pedophile and was involved in massive child trafficking and child pornography rings in Indiana during the time he was Governor of that state. Indiana is proven to be a deep state stronghold for Satanic Ritual Abuse rings and multi-layered child-trafficking and baby-farm sales to the CIA, FBI and other government-related agencies.

Pence seen throwing illuminati hand signs: https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3239028/pg1

Luciferian Pence-Timothy Holmseth – Brutal Proof

I sometimes read Before it's News:

Mike Pence Flashes the Two-Fingered Finger
Thursday, July 21, 2016 16:14

It never ceases to amaze me how politicians will bow to the Devil and disclose who they are before anyone votes for them. Last night, I was watching the Republican convention. Mike Pence walks on the stage and then flips the Two-Fingered Finger. This man is supposedly a “Christian” but he was showing the world that he is a devil worshipper. I had some hopes that Trump would be different, but when they use the Satanic hand signals, I know that nothing better is going come from his presidency.

Here is the link and the Two-Fingered Finger is plainly displayed. At least they are consistent. Paul Ryan appears to be a freemason and so their brand of Christianity is false and the men are basically liars. In other words, they are just as bad as Hillary.

(Updated: 07/22/16) It appears that the video I originally posted has been edited by someone at the Bloomberg News. Pence flipped the Two-Fingered Finger at the audience as walked to his right just before going to the podium. It appears that Bloomberg cut out the part I was talking about. Now, Bloomberg looks worse than if they had just left it there. Go figure.

Here’s another link of the same event. Hopefully, this won’t be altered. I also have a screen shot of this just in case. https://youtu.be/Q733Uzs023I You can see Pence doing the Two-Fingered Finger at around :18

This is the same nonsense from one party to another and the real issue is that neither party is doing anything to remove the chains of slavery and communism from the “Government.” They may lower income taxes, but the fact is that no one should have to pay income tax. Under the natural law, if a man pays and income tax of any amount, he is a slave. Slavery is offensive to God and it is a great sin, yet this guy claims to be a Christian. This is why I completely reject any religion as they all seem to be offensive to God and they are especially offensive to any mind with the intelligence of the average plant.
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Also take note that Trump's son-in-law Jared is on the CFR. PLANET OF THE CHIMPS #2: Twenty-four percent of Bilderberg 2019 attendees of U.S. origin, 16 of which are members of the Council on Foreign Relations

I'm not taking God out of the equation Scott - I'm adhering to Scripture by not blindly trusting the pablum that is served up to the masses.

2 Corinthians 2:11

“Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.”

Soverign Grace · Oct 17, 2019

I'm seeing Christians so desperate for a savior that they're willing to look the other way as Trump & Pence continue overextending America by continuing these foreign wars. Please THINK!

Here is a good article about how mass delusion works, and how we should learn to interpret all public assertions as meaning the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD:

BREAKING OUT OF THE MENTAL BOX -- LEARNING TO THINK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF PROPAGANDA TO FIND THE TRUTH

Nancy · Oct 17, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
I'm seeing Christians so desperate for a savior that they're willing to look the other way as Trump & Pence continue overextending America by continuing these foreign wars. Please THINK!

Here is a good article about how mass delusion works, and how we should learn to interpret all public assertions as meaning the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD:

BREAKING OUT OF THE MENTAL BOX -- LEARNING TO THINK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF PROPAGANDA TO FIND THE TRUTH

War is the new "economy" I guess...for the super rich, for the huge contractors (usually no-bid ones) Yep, hook, line and sinker..."Trust no man..." You are not crazy SG, propaganda is a strong weapon and it has been aimed at us little people for, like, ever! They don't want a middle class, just rich and poor but...we Christians are already rich as we have the One who owns everything

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

This thread is pretty crazy. We need to remember we are not electing a pastor or spiritual leader. We are electing a political leader. Trump has surrounded himself with good people, just look at his Vice President.

The tweets are designed to be a distraction. I don't like them but I understand them. Do you realize with every outrageous tweet the Democrats and Media go into a frenzy while the President actually goes and gets things done while they are not looking? I don't like the tactic but it is effective.

Religious freedom has been protected under this administration. CHRISTIANS have been protected under this administration. Do not lose sight of that.

Giuliano · Oct 17, 2019

David Taylor said:
This thread is pretty crazy. We need to remember we are not electing a pastor or spiritual leader. We are electing a political leader. Trump has surrounded himself with good people, just look at his Vice President.

The tweets are designed to be a distraction. I don't like them but I understand them. Do you realize with every outrageous tweet the Democrats and Media go into a frenzy while the President actually goes and gets things done while they are not looking? I don't like the tactic but it is effective.

Religious freedom has been protected under this administration. CHRISTIANS have been protected under this administration. Do not lose sight of that.

How many of those "good people" have already gone to prison? I also wonder how many more may.

Mike Pence? Ha, using campaign funds to pay his mortgage?

Partisan Site Revives Old Pence Controversy

While it’s true that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission in 1990 about Pence and three other Republican candidates using campaign contributions for personal use, the commission could not agree on whether those candidates violated existing campaign finance laws.

The six FEC commissioners — three Democrats and three Republicans — split along party lines when they voted on whether to adopt the recommendation of the commission’s general counsel (see page 67). The general counsel had recommended finding that the candidates had not violated the law (see page 56) because it allowed for “wide discretion” in how campaigns chose to spend money. The general counsel’s office cited earlier FEC opinions that allowed for campaigns to pay for candidates’ living expenses.

In Pence’s case, he used campaign funds to pay his mortgage of nearly $1,000 per month, make payments on his wife’s car, pay golfing greens fees, and pay for parking tickets, according to the general counsel’s finding.

Pence did not dispute that he had used campaign funds for personal expenses. He said at the time, “I’m not embarrassed that I need to make a living.”

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

Giuliano said:
The general counsel’s office cited earlier FEC opinions that allowed for campaigns to pay for candidates’ living expenses.

In Pence’s case, he used campaign funds to pay his mortgage of nearly $1,000 per month, make payments on his wife’s car, pay golfing greens fees, and pay for parking tickets, according to the general counsel’s finding.

Notice that the counsel said this was permitted. So I really don't know why you bring it up as if it is some sort of wrong doing.

Giuliano · Oct 17, 2019

David Taylor said:
Notice that the counsel said this was permitted. So I really don't know why you bring it up as if it is some sort of wrong doing.

If you like people who run for office to use campaign money to pay their bills, good for you. I daresay if he had done that later, he might have wound up in jail. I thought it just fine when Jesse Jackson, Jr. got sent to jail for it.

Jesse Jackson Jr. - Wikipedia.

Jackson and wife Sandi signed plea agreements in early February 2013. Jackson Jr. agreed to plead guilty to charges of fraud, conspiracy, making false statements, mail fraud, wire fraud, and criminal forfeiture—having used about $750,000 in campaign money for over 3000 personal purchases that included a Michael Jackson fedora and cashmere capes.

The Justice Department filed the charges on February 15, 2013, and Jackson pleaded guilty on February 20, 2013 to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 of campaign funds. On June 7, 2013, federal prosecutors indicated that they sought a four-year prison sentence for Jackson. On August 14, 2013, Jackson was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison, while wife Sandi was sentenced to 12 months in prison for filing false tax returns in attempt to conceal the crimes. The two sentences did not run concurrently. Rather, Jackson initially served prison time and upon his release, his wife was to begin her prison sentence shortly thereafter. The staggered sentences allowed for the Jackson children to have access to at least one parent during the time each is in prison.

But you see, I don't like some things no matter what political party they belong to. I don't see Mike Pence then as someone who wanted to help drain the swamp. I think if you give money to someone for his campaign, he should use it for his campaign. I think it's dishonest to use it for your own personal purposes. I'm glad the rules got changed to stop that kind of abuse.

Again from Factcheck:

While the commissioners deadlocked on the outcome of that particular case, they did unanimously agree to consider amending the rules for candidates’ personal use of campaign funds. The FEC adopted new rules in 1995.

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

Giuliano said:
If you like people who run for office to use campaign money to pay their bills, good for you. I daresay if he had done that later, he might have wound up in jail. I thought it just fine when Jesse Jackson, Jr. got sent to jail for it.

Jesse Jackson Jr. - Wikipedia.

Jackson and wife Sandi signed plea agreements in early February 2013. Jackson Jr. agreed to plead guilty to charges of fraud, conspiracy, making false statements, mail fraud, wire fraud, and criminal forfeiture—having used about $750,000 in campaign money for over 3000 personal purchases that included a Michael Jackson fedora and cashmere capes.

The Justice Department filed the charges on February 15, 2013, and Jackson pleaded guilty on February 20, 2013 to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 of campaign funds. On June 7, 2013, federal prosecutors indicated that they sought a four-year prison sentence for Jackson. On August 14, 2013, Jackson was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison, while wife Sandi was sentenced to 12 months in prison for filing false tax returns in attempt to conceal the crimes. The two sentences did not run concurrently. Rather, Jackson initially served prison time and upon his release, his wife was to begin her prison sentence shortly thereafter. The staggered sentences allowed for the Jackson children to have access to at least one parent during the time each is in prison.

But you see, I don't like some things no matter what political party they belong to. I don't see Mike Pence then as someone who wanted to help drain the swamp. I think if you give money to someone for his campaign, he should use it for his campaign. I think it's dishonest to use it for your own personal purposes. I'm glad the rules got changed to stop that kind of abuse.

Again from Factcheck:

While the commissioners deadlocked on the outcome of that particular case, they did unanimously agree to consider amending the rules for candidates’ personal use of campaign funds. The FEC adopted new rules in 1995.

Ok but you are accusing him of wrong doing based on current rules. That's not how this works.

Giuliano · Oct 17, 2019

David Taylor said:
Ok but you are accusing him of wrong doing based on current rules. That's not how this works.

So anything goes for you if it's not against the law? I would think "good" people would have an even higher standard of conduct.

It was people like him that made the new rule necessary. If people weren't abusing the system, there wouldn't have been a need for the rule.

reformed1689 · Oct 17, 2019

Giuliano said:
So anything goes for you if it's not against the law? I would think "good" people would have an even higher standard of conduct.

It was people like him that made the new rule necessary. If people weren't abusing the system, there wouldn't have been a need for the rule.

Putting words in my mouth I see.

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