The mark of the beast:

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The meaning of the mark of the beast goes all the way back to Cain. That is where you begin the subject.

Recall that because of the curse God put upon Cain for murdering his brother Abel, Cain could not farm, as God cursed the land to him. And because Cain complained that by being cast out into the world that everyone finding him would want to kill him, God then put a 'mark' upon Cain as protection. Many have contemplated what that actual 'mark' upon Cain was, just as many do the same with the mark of the beast from Revelation. So to understand what the mark of the beast represents, one must first understand what kind of 'mark' it is, and how it relates to those deemed as 'brute beasts' (Jude 1; 2 Peter 2).

If Cain's mark was an actual physical outward mark, then wouldn't those in the world see it and recognize it? So looking for outward signs in that respect, which includes philosophical mumblings, isn't the way to learn from God's Word just what it is.
 
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you and your sons will be here with me regardless i guess
Notice that Abraham is able to talk the rich man. The rich man should be able to receive help from Abraham. Does he? He's still selfish, thinking about himself. He wants Lazarus to suffer a lot in order to help him a little. He hasn't learned yet, so he keeps having impurities burned away. Abraham is trying to help.
 

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The meaning of the mark of the beast goes all the way back to Cain. That is where you begin the subject.

Recall that because of the curse God put upon Cain for murdering his brother Abel, Cain could not farm, as God cursed the land to him. And because Cain complained that by being cast out into the world that everyone finding him would want to kill him, God then put a 'mark' upon Cain as protection. Many have contemplated what that actual 'mark' upon Cain was, just as many do the same with the mark of the beast from Revelation. So to understand what the mark of the beast represents, one must first understand what kind of 'mark' it is, and how it relates to those deemed as 'brute beasts' (Jude 1; 2 Peter 2).

If Cain's mark was an actual physical outward mark, then wouldn't those in the world see it and recognize it? So looking for outward signs in that respect, which includes philosophical mumblings, isn't the way to learn from God's Word just what it is.
Notice that Cain's mark put him at risk with "every one " who sees him will want to kill him. Some say that included the animals who would also see him as such an abomination, that they would want to kill him. He was no longer protected by the "fear of man" given to the animals so Adam and his offspring would be protected. Animals would not see him as exercising "dominion" over them. God then protected Cain against that fate so he could come to repentance.

In Revelation, we may see something similar.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
 

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Notice that Cain's mark put him at risk with "every one " who sees him will want to kill him. Some say that included the animals who would also see him as such an abomination, that they would want to kill him. He was no longer protected by the "fear of man" given to the animals so Adam and his offspring would be protected. Animals would not see him as exercising "dominion" over them. God then protected Cain against that fate so he could come to repentance.

The mark God put on Cain was from Cain complaining about others in the world that would want to slay him. Didn't apply to animals but to men.

Gen 4:13-15
13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
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And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
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The mark was for Cain's protection.
 

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The mark God put on Cain was from Cain complaining about others in the world that would want to slay him. Didn't apply to animals but to men.

Gen 4:13-15
13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
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And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
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The mark was for Cain's protection.
God's mark was for his protection, yes. Had he had the mark of the beast stamped on him? Did God replace it when Cain pleaded?

It doesn't say "men." It says "any."

Remember Jezebel too. The dogs ate her; but they wouldn't eat her hands or skull. Did she have the mark of the beast too?
 

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God's mark was for his protection, yes. Had he had the mark of the beast stamped on him? Did God replace it when Cain pleaded?

It doesn't say "men." It says "any."

Remember Jezebel too. The dogs ate her; but they wouldn't eat her hands or skull. Did she have the mark of the beast too?


Jeremiah 15:3 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord : the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.

^All men of destruction built for destruction.

Isaiah 54:15-17 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake. [16] Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. [17] No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
 

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God's mark was for his protection, yes. Had he had the mark of the beast stamped on him? Did God replace it when Cain pleaded?

It doesn't say "men." It says "any."

Remember Jezebel too. The dogs ate her; but they wouldn't eat her hands or skull. Did she have the mark of the beast too?
The dogs licked the sores on Lazarus
 
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why was Cain marked for protection?
Cain wanted God's approval, or he wouldn't have offered anything as a sacrifice. When his offering wasn't acceptable, his mistake was to blame Abel instead of correcting himself. That made things worse; but we should still see he wanted God's approval, and I'm glad God marked him for protection. I can see some good in Cain despite his sin.

Does it have a lesson for people today? I think it might. If we want God's approval, we can't blame others for our mistakes or act like Devil. We need to tame that "beast."
 

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Cain wanted God's approval, or he wouldn't have offered anything as a sacrifice. When his offering wasn't acceptable, his mistake was to blame Abel instead of correcting himself. That made things worse; but we should still see he wanted God's approval, and I'm glad God marked him for protection. I can see some good in Cain despite his sin.

Does it have a lesson for people today? I think it might. If we want God's approval, we can't blame others for our mistakes or act like Devil. We need to tame that "beast."


Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

...what better things than that of Abel?
 

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Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

...what better things than that of Abel?
The contrast is between the blood of Christ, which was poured out voluntarily for the sins of the whole world, and the blood of Abel which was the result of a deliberate and vicious murder. So the *better things* include all the blessings of redemption through Christ's blood.
 

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Notice that Abraham is able to talk the rich man. The rich man should be able to receive help from Abraham. Does he? He's still selfish, thinking about himself. He wants Lazarus to suffer a lot in order to help him a little. He hasn't learned yet, so he keeps having impurities burned away. Abraham is trying to help.
well by that reasoning Lazarus (Eleazer) should be able to talk to the rich man too, right?
 

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Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

...what better things than that of Abel?
I was talking about Cain. I don't have much of an opinion about Abel.
 

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Sure, why not.
It’s funny to me that I always get dragged back to this parable whenever I mention you and your sons will be here with me, which came from an actual conversation.And they all seem to end with sure why not. So, no offense, but it seems like believers want to extract the parable to death and ignore the conversation