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Woe to you freewillians because you feel emotionally rest assured in your choice, but according to the Word of God you will not rest in peace in your abomination of "choice" trying to steal God's glory (John 15:16, Revelation 21:27)!

Prior posted 'woe to you free willers' (in this thread)

The Word of God, quoted in the following links to posts in this thread, reveals freewill is treacherously rebellious and a damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post

- The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post

- Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles "All the Time" Post

- The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post

- (1) The Twelve mentioned in Matthew 26:20 et. al. does not indicate "only" the twelve, (2) Lord Jesus indicates in John 17:20 that the content of John chapters 13-17 applies to all His disciples of all time, and (3) the "you" in John 14:16 and the "you" in John 15:16 refer to all the disciples of Jesus in all time because of the about 120 recorded in Acts 1:15 and Acts 2:1-4 receiving the Holy Spirit as well as the Gentiles at Cornelius' place recorded in Acts 10:44 receiving the Holy Spirit Post

- The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post

- The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post

- The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post

- The God Chooses/Elects Unto Salvation Post

- Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post

- The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post

- Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post

- 1 Timothy 2:4 Exposited Truthfully That The Work Is Not Of Man Rather The Work Is Of God Post

- Demonstrating "Whole World" Indicates Multiple Meanings Regarding People In First John Where Two Starkly Differing Uses Of "World" Occur (1 John 2:2 and 1 John 5:19) Post

- The Further Use Of "World" Exposited Truthfully Demonstrating That Belief/Faith In A Believer Is A Work of God - John 3:16 and John 6:29 and John 15:16 Post

- The Intrinsic Quality of Christ Jesus includes God Choosing People for Salvation Not Vice Versa Post

- The Blessed Assurance of True Godly Worship and Love Post

- The Blood of Christ Being The Wedding Garment in Matthew 22:1-14 Post

- Both the promise of the Holy Spirit and the declaration by Lord Jesus that God chooses people not people choosing God occur in the self-same supper encounter described by the Apostle John in chapters 13 - 17 Post

Continued to post #1422
 
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Continued from post #1421

Free-Will Doctrinal Error Amplified By Faulty English Translations And Free-Willian Lust For Glory In Salvation Exposed:

+ "@Taken: Do Not Be Taken Away In Free-will Error By Faulty English Translations (Includes Faulty Change Covenant To Agreement Rebuttal) Post

+ @GodsGrace: List of Lies Including About History Post

+ @GodsGrace: Illegally Try To Shoehorn 'Choose' Into John 3:16 Post

+ @GodsGrace: The Majesty of God in Matthew 6:13 - God leads, God delivers; God's Power Forever, God's Glory Forever Post

+ @CNKW3: Beholding Greek of 1 Peter 1:21-22 to see "God the souls of you having-purified in the obedience of-the truth" NOT people purifying themselves RATHER God purifying people Post

+ @CNKW3: Vessels Of Mercy Obey God In God's Power Versus Vessels Of Destruction Deny God's Word In Their Own Sin Post

+ @CNKW3: Persists In Denial Of The Word Of God By CNKW3 Trying To Make The Apostle Peter Say Different Than Lord Jesus Post

+ @CNKW3: More About Phrases About God's Control Sandwiching The Free-will Illusion Phrase Of The English Mistranslations of 1 Peter 1:22 Post

+ @CNKW3: More About Verses About The Promise Of The Holy Spirit To All Believers In All Time Presented By Lord Jesus At The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 With The Implications Of Jesus Saying 'You' In John 15:16 Post

+ @CNKW3: More Proof That The Word 'IF' Does Not Denote Ability Post

+ @CNKW3: Obey Defined Is 'To Fulfill The Command' - There Is No 'Choice' In The Definition With Scriptural Support For 'Believe' Not 'Choose To Believe' Post

+ @CNKW3: denies denial of the Holy Spirit, but the denial is presented Post

+ @CNKW3 is part of an evil and adulterous generation that craves a sign/proof. Behold the Word of God says "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and [yet] no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet" (Matthew 12:39).

+ @Enoch111: Fails to Understand 'Receive' Definition While Fails To Understand Acts 2 While Failing To Understand John 3:16 Post

+ @Earburner: adds "whosoever" to Revelation 22:17 right in front of condemnation for adding to Revelation in Revelation 22:18 as well as misapplies Hebrews 2:9

+ @Earburner: adds context illegally to Revelation 3:20 to try to support free-will

+ @brakelite: Do not break the light! Love is a Fruit of the Spirit of Truth (Galatians 5:22), so a person must be born of the Holy Spirit to love (John 3:3) and understand love (1 Corinthians 13:1-13)

Returning to more of the Word of God, quoted in the following links, revealing freewill devotee's treachery and rebellion.

- God Blesses Us With Biblical History, And Free Willians/Pelagians/Armenians Fail To Understand History Post

- A Command Does Not Convey Ability To Carry Out The Command Post

- Squelching the Armenian Argument Of 'God specifically chooses to send some persons to hell' Post

- The Word of God Eliminates WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS Post

- The Apostle Peter Reiterates The Promise Of The Holy Spirit For All Believers In All Time (Acts 2:38-39 and Acts 2:18) That Lord Jesus Gave (John 15:26) Post

- All NT Letters Are To Believers So The Holy Spirit Gives Perspective In Hebrews 2:9 And "whosoever" Is Absent From Revelation 22:17

- We Believers Are Adopted In (Ephesians 1:5), Grafted In (Romans 11:17), Birthed In To The Kingdom Of God (John 3:3, John 3:5)

- Richly Scriptural post illuminating the exclusive sovereignty of God in man's salvation

- Fruit of the Holy Spirit of God in we believers explained, and this post includes the contrast between fruit of the flesh and Fruit of the Spirit of God

- Baptism/Immersion is of God, Living Water, in we believers

- BAPTISM, BELIEVERS, AND BEAUTY: The Godly Understanding Of Immersion in and exclusively by the Holy Spirit

- The Indwelling Hoy Spirit in believers is required to understand Scripture properly.

- More about the Indwelling Hoy Spirit in believers is required to understand Scripture properly.

- Even more about the Indwelling Hoy Spirit in believers is required to understand Scripture properly.

- Persons who deny that Lord Jesus chooses/elects man unto salvation (John 15:16) by implication also deny being a friend of Jesus (John 15:13-15).

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS. LORD JESUS SPEAKS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL TIME BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID "I DO NOT ASK ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20)! ALL THESE WORDS OF JESUS ARE AT THE SAME SUPPER! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S! WITH MAN, SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE (MATTHEW 19:25-26)! ALL GLORY IN THE SALVATION OF MAN IS GOD'S (JOHN 15:5, ISAIAH 42:8)!

God saves by God's grace for God's glory! Praise Jesus, Lord and God!
 
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You try to pit Moses against the Apostle John for the Apostle wrote "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, [everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" (Revelation 13:8) and of the holy city new Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27).
More on this later.
It was not Moses who wrote of the Book of Life. It was David that DID write of the Book of Life. You missed that David did not record that names can nor will be removed from the Book of Life. David recorded "May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous" (Psalm 69:28).
You weary me. Moses did as well. What book could it be if not the book of life?

Exodus 32:31 And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.


Your take on Psalm 69 is very strange to me.

You wrote "Perhaps you do by saying He couldn't add or remove names from the Book of Life because of the belief you hold". Your writing opposes the Apostle John's words in Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 21:27. The Apostle John wrote that only people whose names have been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain enter.
You exaggerate again. Revelation 21:27 says nothing about "from the foundation of the world." It just doesn't.

Revelation 13:8 says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It talks about people whose names are in his book.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How can that be read as a statement about names being in the book from the foundation? Some have been in the book from the foundation, to be sure; but that passage is not saying what you think.

Since you write in oppostion to the Apostle John, you need to read this which the Apostle John wrote "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18-19).
Oh? According to you, whatever I do wouldn't matter, would it? If my name was in the book from the foundation, I'd get into the Holy City no matter what I did. If it wasn't, there would be nothing I could do to be able to enter the Holy City. So what are you saying? Can a Calvinist threaten a non-elect person with damnation if that's his fate anyway?

You write without citations.
Like what?

You do not understand the "fullness of Him who fills all in all" (Ephesians 1:23).

You do not understand that we are clay in the hands of the Potter (Romans 9:20-23).

You do not understand repentance, that it is from God (Romand 2:4) in we who believe by the work of God (John 6:29).
You're an expert at slamming other people, I'll give you that.

You wrote "Change the subject". I don't think that you know what's being discussed here. This is about the names in the Book of Life! And we whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life are secure in salvation!
I'm still waiting for an answer for the question I asked a long time ago. No one seems to want to give an answer.

You make another strange and foreign assertion about evangelism. We believers evangelize! The Apostle Paul wrote to pray for people (1 Timothy 2:1-2). Most importantly, the Lord Jesus sends us out (Matthew 28:19-20)!

May the Almighty God grant you wisdom!
Why? If their names were in the book of life from the foundation, God will save them. He doesn't need your help. Nothing you can do will change the outcome.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS.
Now you compare yourself to Jesus' Apostles by taking something said to them and applying it to yourself. Question: Was Judas' name in the book of life from the foundation of the world?
LORD JESUS SPEAKS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL TIME BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID "I DO NOT ASK ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20)! ALL THESE WORDS OF JESUS ARE AT THE SAME SUPPER! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S! WITH MAN, SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE (MATTHEW 19:25-26)! ALL GLORY IN THE SALVATION OF MAN IS GOD'S (JOHN 15:5, ISAIAH 42:8)!
I think I tried to tell you before that Jesus came to wake the elect up. God had sent them into the world; and Jesus chose and called them. They were already his sheep. He sent them out to the rest of the world -- not only to the elect but to those who believed what the Apostles preached. To the Jew first, then the Gentile.

Your confusion appears to be why some names would be in the book of life from the beginning and why others would not be.


I assure you that all the original Israel, the 144,000, will be saved. By one means or another. Others who converted to Judaism or Christianity do not have that guarantee.

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.


Gentiles are grafted in. They can also be broken off as Jews were; but the original 144,000 have a guarantee Gentiles don't:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Be wise not in your own conceits.
 

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You weary me. Moses did as well. What book could it be if not the book of life?

Exodus 32:31 And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.


Your take on Psalm 69 is very strange to me.

You exaggerate again. Revelation 21:27 says nothing about "from the foundation of the world." It just doesn't.

Revelation 13:8 says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It talks about people whose names are in his book.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

How can that be read as a statement about names being in the book from the foundation? Some have been in the book from the foundation, to be sure; but that passage is not saying what you think.

Oh? According to you, whatever I do wouldn't matter, would it? If my name was in the book from the foundation, I'd get into the Holy City no matter what I did. If it wasn't, there would be nothing I could do to be able to enter the Holy City. So what are you saying? Can a Calvinist threaten a non-elect person with damnation if that's his fate anyway?

Like what?

You're an expert at slamming other people, I'll give you that.

I'm still waiting for an answer for the question I asked a long time ago. No one seems to want to give an answer.

Why? If their names were in the book of life from the foundation, God will save them. He doesn't need your help. Nothing you can do will change the outcome.


Now you compare yourself to Jesus' Apostles by taking something said to them and applying it to yourself. Question: Was Judas' name in the book of life from the foundation of the world?
I think I tried to tell you before that Jesus came to wake the elect up. God had sent them into the world; and Jesus chose and called them. They were already his sheep. He sent them out to the rest of the world -- not only to the elect but to those who believed what the Apostles preached. To the Jew first, then the Gentile.

Your confusion appears to be why some names would be in the book of life from the beginning and why others would not be.


I assure you that all the original Israel, the 144,000, will be saved. By one means or another. Others who converted to Judaism or Christianity do not have that guarantee.

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.


Gentiles are grafted in. They can also be broken off as Jews were; but the original 144,000 have a guarantee Gentiles don't:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Be wise not in your own conceits.
Your strange doctrine is foreign to the Word of God.

Now you cite scripture, so that is an improvement!

Moses did not say that God would blot out his name in Exodus 32:32. No indication of a change to the book.

You do not understand scripture, for Psalm 69 is clear.

The Apostle John wrote "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, [everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" (Revelation 13:8).

And the Apostle John wrote of the holy city new Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27).

The Apostle John wrote of "Lamb's book of life" in Revelation 21:27 which is the "book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" in Revelation 13:8 written by John. The book contains "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" can enter the heavenly; in contrast, "[everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" means that if a name is not written in the "Lamb's book of life" "from the foundation of the world " then those people who dwell on the earth worship something that is not God.

You illegitimately try to twist the writings of the Apostle John.

In your strange theology, God does not control people, so there is no reason to pray for people.

You ask a lot of questions that bely your strange doctrines.

Branches that are in Christ, the true Vine, and abide in Him are the chosen of God for salvation and sanctification (John 15:1-6, John 15:16, John 15:19, John 17:20), and the Apostle Paul is in accord with this in Romans 11:17-21 and Romans 11:25-26.

Your salacious statements about John 15 being only for the Apostles is stricken as a lie by the Word of God.

You write arrogantly and pridefully for you write as a free-willian that does not honor the sovereignty of God in man's salvation.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS. LORD JESUS SPEAKS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL TIME BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID "I DO NOT ASK ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20)! ALL THESE WORDS OF JESUS ARE AT THE SAME SUPPER! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S! WITH MAN, SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE (MATTHEW 19:25-26)! ALL GLORY IN THE SALVATION OF MAN IS GOD'S (JOHN 15:5, ISAIAH 42:8)!
 

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Your strange doctrine is foreign to the Word of God.

Now you cite scripture, so that is an improvement!

Moses did not say that God would blot out his name in Exodus 32:32. No indication of a change to the book.

You do not understand scripture, for Psalm 69 is clear.

The Apostle John wrote "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, [everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" (Revelation 13:8).

And the Apostle John wrote of the holy city new Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27).

The Apostle John wrote of "Lamb's book of life" in Revelation 21:27 which is the "book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" in Revelation 13:8 written by John. The book contains "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" can enter the heavenly; in contrast, "[everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" means that if a name is not written in the "Lamb's book of life" "from the foundation of the world " then those people who dwell on the earth worship something that is not God.

You illegitimately try to twist the writings of the Apostle John.

In your strange theology, God does not control people, so there is no reason to pray for people.

You ask a lot of questions that bely your strange doctrines.

Branches that are in Christ, the true Vine, and abide in Him are the chosen of God for salvation and sanctification (John 15:1-6, John 15:16, John 15:19, John 17:20), and the Apostle Paul is in accord with this in Romans 11:17-21 and Romans 11:25-26.

Your salacious statements about John 15 being only for the Apostles is stricken as a lie by the Word of God.

You write arrogantly and pridefully for you write as a free-willian that does not honor the sovereignty of God in man's salvation.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS. LORD JESUS SPEAKS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL TIME BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID "I DO NOT ASK ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20)! ALL THESE WORDS OF JESUS ARE AT THE SAME SUPPER! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S! WITH MAN, SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE (MATTHEW 19:25-26)! ALL GLORY IN THE SALVATION OF MAN IS GOD'S (JOHN 15:5, ISAIAH 42:8)!
Your translation of Revelation 13:8 is flawed. The phrase from the foundation of the world ends that verse. The ASV alters the word order. That's what happens when translators play with the text. Go check out the Greek:

Revelation 13:8 (KJV)

The rest of your posts seems to be mostly insults. I would rather not respond to them.
 

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Your translation of Revelation 13:8 is flawed. The phrase from the foundation of the world ends that verse. The ASV alters the word order. That's what happens when translators play with the text. Go check out the Greek:

Revelation 13:8 (KJV)

The rest of your posts seems to be mostly insults. I would rather not respond to them.
I previously examined the Greek, Giuliano, so I'll bring the Greek of Revelation 13:8 into this conversation, but not just any Greek, specifically the Textus Receptus. The Textus Receptus is the basis of the KJV.

Here is the Greek/English Textus Receptus interlinear text of Revelation 13:8 (top line is Greek transliteration, middle line is Strongs Number, bottom line is English translation).

kai proskunhsousin autw pantes oi katoikountes epi ths kai proskunEsousin autO pantes hoi katoikountes epi tEs
G2532 G4352 G846 G3956 G3588 G2730 G1909 G3588
AND SHALL-BE-worshipING to-it ALL THE ones-DOWN-HOMING ON OF-THE

gEs On ou gegraptai ta onomata en tE biblO tEs
G1093 G3739 G3756 G1125 G3588 G3686 G1722 G3588 G976 G3588
LAND OF-WHOM NOT HAS-been-WRITTEN THE NAMES IN THE SCROLL OF-THE

zOEs tou arniou esphagmenou apo katabolEs kosmou
G2222 G3588 G721 G4969 G575 G2602 G2889
LIFE OF-THE LAMBkin One-HAVING-been-SLAIN FROM DOWN-CASTing OF-SYSTEM

Thus, that which I posted contains accurate contextual meaning. The grammatical structure is sound since the Lamb was not continuosly slain from the foundation of the world; therefore, "name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" (NASB) and "names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (KJV) carry the same meaning, so here are the relevant verses:

The Apostle John wrote "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8, KJV).

And the Apostle John wrote of the holy city new Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27).

The Apostle John wrote of "Lamb's book of life" in Revelation 21:27 which is the "book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" in Revelation 13:8 written by John. The book contains "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" can enter the heavenly; in contrast, "[everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" means that if a name is not written in the "Lamb's book of life" "from the foundation of the world " then those people who dwell on the earth worship something that is not God.

You illegitimately try to twist the writings of the Apostle John, and that carries a stiff penalty for it is written "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18-19).

You brazenly call the Word of God insults!

From my post, the Word of God said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).

More from my post, the Word of God said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20).

You impose your imagination upon Romans 13:17-21 and Romans 13:25-26 in that you attempt to impose a false synergism, a illegitimate parallel that neither Lord Jesus nor the Apostle Paul nor the Apostle John established. The corrupt narrative of yours between the branches and the names in the Lamb's Book of Life does not exist in scripture for you try to equate (1) branches broken off and branches grafted with (2) names added or blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life. Your illegitimate parallel does not exist in Scripture.

Hence, when you say you won't respond to that which I post, you cannot respond in your false narrative without sinning.

Lord Jesus said "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and here in this passage Lord Jesus referred to Himself as the True Vine where He talks of branches (John 15:1-6). This means that the Apostle Paul (Romans 13:17-21, Romans 13:25-26) is in accord with the words of Lord Jesus (John 15:1-6).

As far as the audience for the supper in John chapters 13-17, that is covered extensively in the links contained in the first post of this page 72, and all the links in the first post remain in this thread.

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS. LORD JESUS SPEAKS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL TIME BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID "I DO NOT ASK ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20)! ALL THESE WORDS OF JESUS ARE AT THE SAME SUPPER! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S! WITH MAN, SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE (MATTHEW 19:25-26)! ALL GLORY IN THE SALVATION OF MAN IS GOD'S (JOHN 15:5, ISAIAH 42:8)!
 
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Thus, that which I posted contains accurate contextual meaning. The grammatical structure is sound since the Lamb was not continuosly slain from the foundation of the world; therefore, "name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" (NASB) and "names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (KJV) carry the same meaning, so here are the relevant verses:

The Apostle John wrote "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8, KJV).
You "know" the truth so don't accept what John wrote. What good does reading the Bible do us if we do that? Why even read the Bible if you think you know it all already? You are so sure the Lamb was not slain from the foundation, that you won't believe what is written. There are other passages that indicate the same thing. Will they convince you?

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And when John the Baptist saw Jesus, he said in the present tense:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Would it surprise you that the Jews teach that the ram Abraham and Isaac saw had existed from the very beginning of the world? Ha, the Jews do know a few things.

I caution you too about altering the text of the Book of the Revelation. Why not take it as it is written?

Most of the rest of your post is hot air, verging on the insulting at times. I don't feel like responding. Interpret things as you please. I am not your judge. Believe what you want.
 
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You "know" the truth so don't accept what John wrote. What good does reading the Bible do us if we do that? Why even read the Bible if you think you know it all already? You are so sure the Lamb was not slain from the foundation, that you won't believe what is written. There are other passages that indicate the same thing. Will they convince you?

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And when John the Baptist saw Jesus, he said in the present tense:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Would it surprise you that the Jews teach that the ram Abraham and Isaac saw had existed from the very beginning of the world? Ha, the Jews do know a few things.

I caution you too about altering the text of the Book of the Revelation. Why not take it as it is written?

Most of the rest of your post is hot air, verging on the insulting at times. I don't feel like responding. Interpret things as you please. I am not your judge. Believe what you want.
In grammar, a complex sentence comprises an independent clause with one or more dependent clauses.

Within these clauses, there is a subject and a predicate.

A subject is a noun, and the subject can be a simple subject or complex subject.

Within a predicate is an action - a verb with potentially adverbs - affecting the subject.

The predicate may contain one or more object nouns which are referred to as a simple object as well as a complex object. A complex object is a simple object with descriptors identifying the simple object, such as adjectives, adverbs, prepositional phrases, etc that apply to the object noun.

Continuing with the matter of objects, here are classifications of objects, (1) an object may be a "direct object" operated upon by the subject, and (2) an object may be an "indirect object" operated upon by the subject receiving a "direct object"; nonetheless, objects are operated upon by the subject.

A verb must be transitive for objects to be in the clause/sentence.

A "direct object" must exist before an "indirect object"; furthermore, an "indirect object" receives a "direct object".

With all these grammatical rules firmly established and verifiable, here is a simple restatement whereby everything in parenthesis may potentially be a phrase:

A_SUBJECT(noun) ACTS(verb) ON_AN_OBJECT_OR_OBJECTS(noun).

Now, it's time to apply the above grammar mechanics to the Apostle John's writing of "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8, KJV).

There is independent clause of "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him".

And there is a dependent clause of "whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".

The dependent clause contains a subject of "whose names" which is dependent upon the subject of the independent clause of "all that dwell upon the earth".

The dependent clause contains a predicate of "are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".

The action portion is "are not written". The English word "written" is the Greek word "gegraptai" ("grapho" G1125) which is transitive as per the Apostle John's usage here under discussion.

This leaves two complex objects:
(1) "in the book of life of the Lamb slain"
(2) "from the foundation of the world"

Each of the complex objects contain the specific noun that makes it a complex object, and here is the identification of these nouns:
(1) the "book" is the object noun in "in the book of life of the Lamb slain"
(2) the "world" is the object noun in "from the foundation of the world"

The balance of words in each complex object follow the grammatical object rules. There is much description for the "book" in it's complex object. There is description for the "world" in it's complex object.

While I am uncertain whether both complex objects are "direct objects", I share my suspicion that:
(1) the "book" complex object is the "indirect object"
(2) the "world" complex object is the "direct object"

Now, both of these complex objects, nouns, are applied to the subject of the dependent clause, the subject being "whose names".

In this case, the complex objects can have their locations within the dependent clause interchanged without affecting the meaning.

It is certain that the Lamb was NOT slain continuously from the foundation of the world for the concept of the Lamb being slain continuously from the foundation of the world is absent from scripture, not even Revelation 13:8.

Your interpretation of Revelation 13:8 illegitimately applies the direct object of "from the foundation of the world" to the descriptor of the adjacent object INSTEAD OF THE SUBJECT OF THE CLAUSE. Thus you add a concept that requires additonal words to accomplish your interpretation, and this is essentially you adding to the book of Revelation.

Your translation of Hebrews 9:26 is obtuse, and your interpretation is a deceit. Here is a plain contemporary english translation "Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself", so this verse indicates the error of your imagination, that is, you imagine Christ being continuously slain from the foundation of the world which is NOT the case.

And, Hebrews 9:26 agrees with the Apostle Peter's writing of "For Christ also died for sins once" (1 Peter 3:18) and this "He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross" (1 Peter 2:24).

Concerning John 1:29, there is NO mention of Christ being slain from the foundation of the world.

You keep trying to escape the bounds of scripture (with Nancy by the "like") by you adding to and/or subtracting from these precious words! Hence, when you say you won't respond to that which I post, you cannot respond in your false narrative without sinning.

Here are the words of the Apostle John concerning adding to and subtracting from scripture "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18-19).

May God grant you wisdom.

I believe the Truth (John 14:6), for God works faith in me (John 6:29). All honor, power, and glory are all God's, and God's alone!

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS. LORD JESUS SPEAKS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL TIME BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID "I DO NOT ASK ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20)! ALL THESE WORDS OF JESUS ARE AT THE SAME SUPPER! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S! WITH MAN, SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE (MATTHEW 19:25-26)! ALL GLORY IN THE SALVATION OF MAN IS GOD'S (JOHN 15:5, ISAIAH 42:8)!
 
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