Purpose of the Millennium

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Nowhere in your lengthy reply above, do you give any proof or even hint, that immortality can happen to anyone before the final Judgment.

You just make assumptions, conjectures that you have to do or the whole theory of a 'rapture to heaven', and living alongside mortals during the Millennium; crashes down.
It would be far better to reject all unbiblical and false theories and understand the truth, then the fanciful expectations wouldn't be dashed.

We not gonna agree ,one thing for sure though,we will find out.
 

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We not gonna agree ,one thing for sure though,we will find out.
Brother n2thelight: Why shouldn't we come to agreement?
There is only one way that God's Plans for His people will happen. Does the Bible tell us what it is or not?

We see that when Jesus Returns, He will bring the rewards for His people with Him. Matthew 16:27 What are they? I see them as giving those worthy, positions of honor and responsibility in His Millennium Kingdom. Revelation 5:10
Jesus also brings the souls of the Trib martyrs with Him. They are brought back to life and become His co-rulers and priests of God. Revelation 20:6.... Over them the second death has no power..... Say what? This means that they CAN die again, but their second death, which is the Lake of Fire; Revelation 20:14, cannot harm them.
Simply stated; those dead people are raised to life, but NOT to immortality yet. Just as Lazarus was.

Why believe that anyone else becomes immortal before them?
The great problem with false beliefs, is that people are set up to fail and this is the work of Satan.
 

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Brother n2thelight: Why shouldn't we come to agreement?
There is only one way that God's Plans for His people will happen. Does the Bible tell us what it is or not?

We see that when Jesus Returns, He will bring the rewards for His people with Him. Matthew 16:27 What are they? I see them as giving those worthy, positions of honor and responsibility in His Millennium Kingdom. Revelation 5:10
Jesus also brings the souls of the Trib martyrs with Him. They are brought back to life and become His co-rulers and priests of God. Revelation 20:6.... Over them the second death has no power..... Say what? This means that they CAN die again, but their second death, which is the Lake of Fire; Revelation 20:14, cannot harm them.
Simply stated; those dead people are raised to life, but NOT to immortality yet. Just as Lazarus was.

Why believe that anyone else becomes immortal before them?
The great problem with false beliefs, is that people are set up to fail and this is the work of Satan.

We can't because we see two different things totally .

Those that Christ brings with Him are not brought back to life, ALL flesh dies never ever to be used again.That either happens at death or the return,whichever happens first.

First those in Christ at His return have no worries of the lake of fire as they won't be going in.
Showed you the souls under the alter talking to God,yet you tell me they sleeping.Dead people don't talk.

You say Moses and Elijah are dead or sleeping whatever you call it,yet there they were talking to Christ on the Mount..

If the 2nd death has no power over those who overcame how then are they not immortal.

Those that didn't overcome all though changed they can die the 2nd death,that's why they are called the dead.
 

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We can't because we see two different things totally .

Those that Christ brings with Him are not brought back to life, ALL flesh dies never ever to be used again.That either happens at death or the return,whichever happens first.

First those in Christ at His return have no worries of the lake of fire as they won't be going in.
Showed you the souls under the alter talking to God,yet you tell me they sleeping.Dead people don't talk.

You say Moses and Elijah are dead or sleeping whatever you call it,yet there they were talking to Christ on the Mount..

If the 2nd death has no power over those who overcame how then are they not immortal.

Those that didn't overcome all though changed they can die the 2nd death,that's why they are called the dead.
But the Bible says one thing, only one way that the end times will pan out.
You fail to provide any scripture to prove that immortality is given to anyone before the GWT Judgment. I show the scriptures that say only when the Book of Life is opened, will immortal people go into Eternity with God.

Jesus said we must take care to not be deceived. Is it impossible for you to be deceived? Have you believed false teachers, the wolves among the flock? Acts 20:29
What I see from scripture, is that the world will be much the same as it is now, until the end of the Millennium. Only after the Mill, in Eternity, will there be no more Death and no more births as well. God will have got what He wanted; a people who freely chose Him and can act as His witnesses at the trial of Satan and the fallen angels.
 

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But the Bible says one thing, only one way that the end times will pan out.
You fail to provide any scripture to prove that immortality is given to anyone before the GWT Judgment. I show the scriptures that say only when the Book of Life is opened, will immortal people go into Eternity with God.

Jesus said we must take care to not be deceived. Is it impossible for you to be deceived? Have you believed false teachers, the wolves among the flock? Acts 20:29
What I see from scripture, is that the world will be much the same as it is now, until the end of the Millennium. Only after the Mill, in Eternity, will there be no more Death and no more births as well. God will have got what He wanted; a people who freely chose Him and can act as His witnesses at the trial of Satan and the fallen angels.

Why are you straining at a gnat like a Pharisee? He showed you well enough from Scripture about those in Christ at His coming will put on immortality and never be subject to the "second death". Not being subject to the "second death" of being cast into the future "lake of fire" means eternal life through Christ Jesus.

You do understand the process of elimination, don't you? If I show you a wooden club and tell you it's involving sports and it's definitely not a golf club, what would you naturally surmise it to be? A baseball bat would be the most likely answer. God's Word is often like that, since those not subject to the "second death", and... the "second death" means being cast into the future "lake of fire" after the GWT judgment, then via process of elimination, the result is that those not subject to that future death have to had put on immortality through Christ Jesus already.
 

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Why are you straining at a gnat like a Pharisee? He showed you well enough from Scripture about those in Christ at His coming will put on immortality and never be subject to the "second death". Not being subject to the "second death" of being cast into the future "lake of fire" means eternal life through Christ Jesus.

You do understand the process of elimination, don't you? If I show you a wooden club and tell you it's involving sports and it's definitely not a golf club, what would you naturally surmise it to be? A baseball bat would be the most likely answer. God's Word is often like that, since those not subject to the "second death", and... the "second death" means being cast into the future "lake of fire" after the GWT judgment, then via process of elimination, the result is that those not subject to that future death have to had put on immortality through Christ Jesus already.
Because; people like yourself have believed lies and fables, so will be confused and won't know what to do when what they thought would happen; doesn't.
As born again Christians, we do have the Promise of Eternal life, but it is not conferred until Eternity commences - AFTER the Millennium

This is clear scripture and you cannot prove otherwise.
The ONLY people who we are told that the second death has no power, are the Trib martyrs. Revelation 20:6

Your moaning and accusations of me doesn't change or prove anything; we all go thru the events prophesied before Jesus Returns and at His Return, we are gathered to Him for the Millennium. Matthew 24:30-31
That will be a wonderful time and people will live for very long times, like the ancient Patriarchs. But we will still die. Isaiah 65:20 To be raised with all the dead at the Great White Throne Judgment. THEN; provided our names are still Written in the Book of Life, by our faithfulness and trust in God, during our lifetime; we will receive immortality.
 

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But the Bible says one thing, only one way that the end times will pan out.
You fail to provide any scripture to prove that immortality is given to anyone before the GWT Judgment. I show the scriptures that say only when the Book of Life is opened, will immortal people go into Eternity with God.

Jesus said we must take care to not be deceived. Is it impossible for you to be deceived? Have you believed false teachers, the wolves among the flock? Acts 20:29
What I see from scripture, is that the world will be much the same as it is now, until the end of the Millennium. Only after the Mill, in Eternity, will there be no more Death and no more births as well. God will have got what He wanted; a people who freely chose Him and can act as His witnesses at the trial of Satan and the fallen angels.

Gave you all the scriptures ,you just don't see

Riddle me this ,why do they not have to worry about the 2nd death ,which is the death of the soul if they didn't receive immortality at His return?

Your problem is you think flesh will be in the millennium ,that's just not true,ALL shall be changed at the return of Christ,period...
 

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This is clear scripture and you cannot prove otherwise.
The ONLY people who we are told that the second death has no power, are the Trib martyrs. Revelation 20:6

Not true ,First you must understand who are the dead.

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not, I repeat, will not have an eternal spiritual body until they are tested after the millennium. I Corinthians 15:50-52 describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities. There are also two spiritual bodies, one eternal, the other perishable (mortal). Those who take the mark of the beast will not have their eternal bodies at the seventh trump. Instead they will have mortal spiritual bodies (liable-to-die), and have to be taught again to learn the difference between 'the holy from the profane' for 1,000 years and then be tested at the end of it to earn that eternal body by choosing Jesus Christ.

What are we talking about when it says "the rest of the dead"? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part -- which hinges on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist. Remember, John has been taken in the Spirit to the last day before Christ's return. Revelation 20 is talking about that specific day when the last trump sounds, and Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to the earth. This verse is not addressing those who died 50, 100, or at any time from any century prior to the sounding of the seventh trump. It is addressing the generation (our generation) who will live in the time of the seven seals, and those who will see some take Satan's mark (the mark of the beast) and give service to him.

I Corinthians 15:52 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

The kingdom of God is wherever Jesus Christ is, and flesh and blood cannot exist in that kingdom. When Christ returns for the Millennium age here on earth, flesh and blood bodies will not exist.

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

This is a mystery that Paul is going to reveal to us that had been hidden until Paul's writing. This mystery concerns what happens at a particular point in time, for at that instant, there will be no more death. "Sleep" as used here, is # 2838 in the Strong's Greek Dictionary; "Koimesis, koy'-may-sis; from 2837, to put to sleep." We read in # 2837; "Koimao, Koy-mah'-o; to put to sleep, to decease, to be dead."

So a time is coming when all the people on the face of the earth will never see death in their flesh bodies again. This is the mystery that Paul is going to tell us; when this event shall take place.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

On the first day of the Millennium age, the "Kingdom of Heaven" will be with us on earth. You cannot enter that kingdom age in a flesh body. Therefore, it is written in verse 52 that all will be changed, in the wink of an eye, and at the last trump (seventh trump). When that seventh trump sounds, everyone on earth will be changed to an incorruptible body.

That doesn't have anything to do with your soul, or its condition. Your physical body and your spiritual body (soul) have nothing to do with the condition of one another. Your soul is your inner man that will exist in your current flesh body, and either at death or at the seventh trump, will be changed and enter into a new body (spirit body) which will not be subject to the decay this flesh body is subject to.

So, to understand what will occur in the Millennium age, you must understand that instantly following the seventh trump, all flesh bodies simply do not have life. Not one person will exist in the flesh. Every person will have the same capabilities and all will have the understanding to be taught without Satan's influence.

However, only those saints of God who have died in the flesh, or who lived and stood against Satan will take part in the first resurrection. By that I mean, will have an active part with Jesus Christ in His kingdom and reign, as he rules and teaches the earth for one thousand years, and live in their immortal soul bodies. (There will be those who stumble for a short time and bow to satan, but they will repent before the seventh trumpet. Daniel 11:34 and still be part of the first resurrection - because they repented prior to the end of this flesh age).

I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

The word "mortal" as used here in the Greek manuscripts never applies to a physical body, but it applies to your soul. So we see our physical bodies are gone at the seventh trump, and the mortal (soul) must put on immortality. That soul becomes your existence in the Millennium age. When the time of judgment comes at the end of the Millennium, you will enter eternity with Christ, or you will cease to exist -- you will be destroyed. At that time even the memory of your existence will be eliminated. This is serious business, my friend, and you know it.

If you enter the Millennium with a mortal (liable to die) soul, by following the Antichrist in ignorance, you must be an overcomer in the Millennium, or your soul will not put on immortality, and it will die.

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

We saw that those who took part in the first resurrection were those who died in the Lord, and those who did not yield to Satan, the Antichrist during his "one world" reign. Those who did not take the Antichrist's "mark of the beast", these are the blessed and holy ones. All of these people already will possess an immortal soul during the Millennium.

The "second death" is the second time of testing at the end of the Millennium age after Satan is released for a short season. The saints of Christ, and overcomers of the Antichrist's reign in this earth age of the flesh will not go through the second testing, or resurrection, with those mortal souls living in the Millennium age.

What are you going to do in the Millennium as a saint of Christ? You're going to be priests of God, and reign with Him. You are going to teach and oversee, and judge those mortal souls, as they will learn and follow all directives of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Beheaded for the witness ,these are all those that died for Christ throughout time,was not John beheaded?
 

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Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Beheaded for the witness ,these are all those that died for Christ throughout time,was not John beheaded?
The first resurrection, as described in Revelation 20:4, is specific to the martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years of this age, when Satan controls the world.
The rest of the dead await the GWT, as Revelation 20:5 plainly says.
The 'Last Trumpet' of 1 Cor 15:52 is the LAST time the trumpet will sound; to call up the dead for Judgment. At the end of the Millennium. Not before.

Nothing you have posted proves that anyone becomes immortal before the GWT Judgment. That idea is a false teaching and cannot happen.
 
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The first resurrection, as described in Revelation 20:4, is specific to the martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years of this age, when Satan controls the world.
Nothing you have posted proves that anyone becomes immortal before the GWT Judgment. That idea is a false teaching and cannot happen.

Like I said ,we won't agree.who does Christ bring with Him at His return.

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].

It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

Does that say only those that died during the tribulation?
 

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I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
This verse does not say 'all' who sleep in Christ. We are told who Jesus will bring- the souls of the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 year time of Satans world control. THE REST OF THE DEAD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE MILLENNIUM. Revelation 20:4-5
This is plain and indisputable. Why believe otherwise?
"that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are."
The Bible tells us that the dead bodies decompose in the grave and their souls go back to the One who made them. Daniel 1213, Acts 13:36
Those killed for their faith, have the special place of under the Altar in heaven. Revelation 6:9-11 God does allow them to speak out at times.
Only at the end of God's decreed 7000 year Plan for mankind, will those souls be given conscious life again, as they all stand before God. Rev 20:11-15
When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also,
Maybe they did, but scripture doesn't say this and it isn't my belief. Each soul returns to God at that persons death and the 'out of body' experiences that some have had, are just brain hallucinations.
To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord."
Paul is right in this statement, humans die, they know nothing until they stand before God at the GWT Judgment. For them; it is the next instant and no time has passed between dying and standing before God.
 

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This verse does not say 'all' who sleep in Christ. We are told who Jesus will bring- the souls of the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 year time of Satans world control. THE REST OF THE DEAD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE MILLENNIUM. Revelation 20:4-5
This is plain and indisputable. Why believe otherwise?

Them also,why would it not be all?Did not they all die(sleep)?
The rest of the dead are spiritually dead,else how do they stand before God?
 

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Them also,why would it not be all?Did not they all die(sleep)?
The rest of the dead are spiritually dead,else how do they stand before God?
It isn't all the dead, as Rev 20:5 makes clear. Only the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 years of Satan's world control.
After the Millennium, everyone who has ever lived, or is still living; is Judged.
Also satan does not rule for 3 1/2 years the time was cut short to 6 months
Scripture proof, please.
As the Great Tribulation takes place during that 3 1/2 year period, then to fulfil all of the prophesies of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, that time will be just sufficient. Just the Fifth Trumpet takes 5 months. Revelation 9:5

Re the OP, The purpose of the Millennium, is to reward Jesus with world rulership and to prepare the final group of people for Eternity. Only then will immortality be given to those whose names are Written in the Book of Life.

Aren't you just the teeniest bit worried that you could be wrong about when people receive immortality?
 

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It isn't all the dead, as Rev 20:5 makes clear. Only the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 years of Satan's world control.
After the Millennium, everyone who has ever lived, or is still living; is Judged.

Where does Rev 20 say this?

Who are the dead in the below,and if dead how do they stand?

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

The dead here are those spiritually dead .You are way off however there's a reason for that.
Like I said we won't agree.
 

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The millennium is a time of teaching for those that did not overcome and they will be in their spiritial bodies.

Those who reign with Christ,what you think they will be doing,eating grapes?
 

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Had 2 do this in light of another thread

Ezekiel 40 through 48 will give you everything on this subject ,so lets go there.

Ezekiel chapters forty through forty eight are discussing only the Millennium age time period, and the Temple and "oblation", or offerings and sacrifices that will take place during that time period. When we are talking about the "Temple" it is actually a mistake to speak of the wonderful series of courts and buildings, described in these final chapters of Ezekiel, collectively as "the Temple". The proper term is "The Sanctuary", as the description starts to unfold in chapter 40.

Notice that the governing figure of the dimensions given throughout the last eight chapters, not only in connection with the Sanctuary, but also in the measurements of the holy "Oblation unto Jehovah", of the land, is the number "5". The spiritual significance of the number five denotes "Divine grace". It is God adding His gifts and blessing to the works of His hands. This is why five is the leading factor in the Tabernacle [Sanctuary] measurements.

The Sanctuary is in the midst of the central portion of the middle [the Priests'] portion of the "Oblation". The Altar which occupies the exact center of the Sanctuary [not the Temple proper], is thus twelve miles from the north gate of the city, twelve miles from the southern boundary of the Levites' portion, and yet thirty miles from both the eastern and western boundaries of the "Oblation" respectively.

The Sanctuary is comprised in a great square of the boundary wall enclosing the outer Court. This wall, we will see is twelve feet six inches high, and has the same width. The Temple is inside the inner Court, and is referred to as the "Separate Place", and is 216 feet square.

We will see that the Altar before the House, or Temple, is in the midst of the "Separate Place", and it is the actual center of the Millennial Sanctuary, and Worship. This indicates that the millennial "Temple" is really the Palace, the home of the Messiah, and shows the connect our Lord Jesus Christ will have with the "city of the Great King."

We will see at the glorious "Dedication" of the Sanctuary, which is mentioned in Ezekiel 43:2-6, Jehovah's glorious entry is through the gate of the outward Sanctuary, on the east side, which will then be closed for entry by everyone, except the "Prince" [the risen David].

In today's measurements of setting out buildings and distances, rods and tapes, or chains are used a recognized standardized lengths. This is precisely what we have in Ezekiel 40:3. When we look at the geographic locations of the land mass in the Holy Lands today, it is obvious that things will change at the sounding of the seventh and final trumpet. So as we study the rest of the book of Ezekiel, try to keep in mind that the flesh age is over for mankind, and the change of I Corinthians 50-52 has taken place. The Antichrist [Satan] is gone as well as all the false ministers, fallen angels and every form of idol and idolatry that exists in this earth age. The age of grace will have moved into a new dispensation.

This is because our Lord Jesus Christ will then be with us forever, and all mankind will be living in their incorruptible bodies, however, only those who overcame the Antichrist at the sounding to the seventh trumpet will have immortality. All those who in ignorance bowed to the Antichrist will be required to keep all the Oblations, offerings and sacrifices. Then after the thousand years they will each be judged by their works. This is the reason for the Great Sanctuary, which is one seventh larger than King Solomon's Temple.

The writings and teachings of Ezekiel were given to us as a sign, and the things he taught, and the life he lived were examples of things that would come to pass. God told Ezekiel to teach His word only to those who were spiritually dead, to wake them up to the end that is coming for all His people. God does nothing but what He has forewarned His people through His prophets, in the next eighth chapters we will be told exactly what will happen in the Millennium age.

Now lets take a look at the "Sanctuary" of Ezekiel 40, and try to study these chapters with an open mind.

Please read the rest and do know I'm in agreement with the link

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Is there a millennium?
Revelation is a series of word pictures that are all too often taken at face value.

But if the 1000 years is a picture of a long period of time is there actually a 1000 years?
 

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Where does Rev 20 say this?

Who are the dead in the below,and if dead how do they stand?

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

The dead here are those spiritually dead .You are way off however there's a reason for that.
Like I said we won't agree.
Revelation 20:5 could not b e clearer; ONLY the martyrs killed during the Great Trib will be brought back to life. NOT to immortality yet.

The dead of Revelation 20:12-13 are very plainly everyone who has lived and then died on this planet. Their souls are brought before God for Judgment. THEN those whose names are in the book of Life, will be given immortality.

Why can't we agree? We both read the same Bible, the same Words of scripture. Believe them and we will agree.
The millennium is a time of teaching for those that did not overcome and they will be in their spiritial bodies.

Those who reign with Christ,what you think they will be doing,eating grapes?
The Millennium will be a time for living as God always wanted humans to be. Initially only those who are faithful to Him will be there and some will be His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:10
Is there a millennium?
Revelation is a series of word pictures that are all too often taken at face value.

But if the 1000 years is a picture of a long period of time is there actually a 1000 years?
If what is described in Revelation and in any of the other prophesies, can be literally fulfilled and nothing like it has happened in the past, then to arbitrarily dismiss those prophesies is a serous mistake. No one can just say; that's just 'word pictures', that have no significance to what will happen some time in the future. What if we, as I do believe; are at the edge of these things taking place?
We Christians should not be in the dark about God's plans for our future. 1 Thess 5:4-5

The Millennium will be for 1000 years Rev 20 mentions it 6 times. It will be the 'Sabbath' period for mankind and the earth, as 6000 years exactly will have passed since Adam until Jesus Returns.