I do not think I had do so and such was certainly not my intention.
But if I had done so, I apologize.
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But if I had done so, I apologize.
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I only read the OP when I posted that. I guess others caught that as well. They used a guilt trip and a pay to pray philosophy to get ppl’s $ to build Peter’s Basicilica.
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LOL @ tirades. Also at this point, I doubt anyone could educate you on anything.
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Well you didn't know what you were talking about in relation to what I said. I have a degrees in Religion, Theology, and Biblical Studies. You were posting nonsense.
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Right because that is what his post said....oh brother...
SovereignGrace
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That’s not what I meant. The RCC used the same tactics back then when they were building it. They manipulated ppl into buying indulgences. It was a pay to pray Ponzi scheme then just like it is now.
What a relief! I thought perhaps you thought they were still building it.
You think it's a Ponzi scheme? You sure that's the phrase you wanted?
Ponzi Scheme
A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investing scam promising high rates of return with little risk to investors. The Ponzi scheme generates returns for early investors by acquiring new investors. This is similar to a pyramid scheme in that both are based on using new investors' funds to pay the earlier backers. Both Ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes eventually bottom out when the flood of new investors dries up and there isn't enough money to go around. At that point, the schemes unravel.
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Was that a metaphor? It must be nice to be as clever as you to spot a metaphor when one comes along.
The CC is not just an organization, we are a family. If I attacked your family, you would take it personally. Your web site admits discord and division within the Methodist church, so on that basis alone, how can you hold anyone to your particular beliefs? Worse, your critiques of the Catholic Church are based on ignorance and blind prejudice. It's painfully obvious.
“Rev.” Laura Young, a United Methodist minister who describes herself as a “progressive theological thinker and a feminist", with other "progressive thinkers", show public support and bless an abortion clinic.
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Ok, that comic is hilarious.
On a more serious note, I do agree that it's very important to listen and understand what another people believes (from THIER perspective, not your outsider one), before any assessment another person says they agree/disagree/whatever. Talk with another person, not at them.
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I called it a Ponzi scheme as indulgences promised them a return on the $ they gave them. That return was a loved one would be lifted out of purgatory. So, in many ways, its like a Ponzi scheme.
I don't know what to say other than except thanks for the explanation.
Would you consider buying a device that featured "Scripture Alone" that helped you become the preacher you've always dreamed of? How much are you willing to pay, and what might be the market value? The full Scriptural Rosary recites 200 key Bible verses. That is what we are supposed to think about. All those "Hail Mary's" is analogous to the sound track of a movie. There is no rational reason to find that disturbing.
To suggest we can buy prayers is scandalous, sadistic, divisive and stupid. I can explain how the rosary is a Bible study, for any honest inquirer. Christianity is supposed to Christianize the culture as well as individuals, the culture is not supposed to paganize Christianity. (Yet our culture teaches us to despise the CC.) That means assimilating the Gospel into the culture, not by proselytizing. Where would we be without the Net?
"The Internet causes billions of images to appear on millions of computer monitors around the planet. From this galaxy of sight and sound will the face of Christ emerge and the voice of Christ be heard? For it is only when His face is seen and His voice heard that the world will know the glad tidings of our redemption. ...Therefore,... I dare to summon the whole Church bravely to cross this new threshold, to put out into the deep of the Net, so that now as in the past the great engagement of the Gospel and culture may show to the world ‘the glory of God on the face of Christ’.”
St. Pope JP2
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Myth 1: A person can buy his way out of hell with indulgences.
Since indulgences remit only temporal penalties, they cannot remit the eternal penalty of hell. Once a person is in hell, no amount of indulgences will ever change that fact. The only way to avoid hell is by appealing to God’s eternal mercy while still alive. After death, one’s eternal fate is set (Heb. 9:27).
Myth 2: A person can buy indulgences for sins not yet committed.
The Church has always taught that indulgences do not apply to sins not yet committed. The Catholic Encyclopedia notes, “[An indulgence] is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power.”
Myth 3: A person can “buy forgiveness” with indulgences.
The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.
Myth 4: Indulgences were invented as a means for the Church to raise money.
Indulgences developed from reflection on the sacrament of reconciliation. They are a way of shortening the penance of sacramental discipline and were in use centuries before money-related problems appeared.
Myth 5: An indulgence will shorten your time in purgatory by a fixed number of days.
The number of days which used to be attached to indulgences were references to the period of penance one might undergo during life on earth. The Catholic Church does not claim to know anything about how long or short purgatory is in general, much less in a specific person’s case.
Myth 6: A person can buy indulgences.
The Council of Trent instituted severe reforms in the practice of granting indulgences, and, because of prior abuses, “in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions” (Catholic Encyclopedia).
Myth 7: A person used to be able to buy indulgences.
One never could “buy” indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: “Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . . To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded.”
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