As I said in an earlier post that is worth sayingagain...Our children are not born with the ability to manifest mature love. This comes with maturity. So children are taught to respect authority. The underlying motive is fear, without which, they will not obey. But it would be counterproductive to threaten a toddler with eternal torment if he knocks over the flower vase. That is overkill, and a child really has no conception of punishment beyond what he has already experienced. For a child that age, a simple "no" will do, along with a slap on the hand.It is the same with our heavenly Father. He does have divine judgments and will hold all unbelievers accountable for their deeds (Rev. 20:12, 13). This is the judicial side of God's love. This is how He corrects mankind in order to bring them to maturity in love. The "lake of fire" is not a torture pit, but is a symbol of the divine law (Deut. 33:2; Jer. 23:29), which is also a revelation of His righteous character (Deut. 4:24; Heb. 12:29). All men will be made to conform to His righteous standard--by force, if necessary, even as a parent forces or coerces his child to be good.God will judge unbelievers by His own righteous law--not by the laws of men. His law never requires torture, much less eternal torture. If men must be coerced by the threat of endless torture, then it is obvious that God has not yet opened their eyes to receive the truth (Ex. 29:4; 2 Tim. 2:25). Men tend to get ahead of God and try to force people by fear into accepting Christ before the Holy Spirit has had opportunity to work from within their hearts.If eternal torture were the just penalty for sin, then Jesus would yet be in hell paying for your sin by eternal torture. The fact that He was able to pay for the sin of the whole world by merely being dead until the third day should be sufficient to correct our theology. God is not so unjust as to torture men eternally even if they had committed just one sin in their life time. In God's law, the judgment always fits the crime. That is the meaning of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." If God had said, "burn him at the stake for an eye, burn him at the stake for a tooth," then we might have some reason to suspect that God's retribution does not fit the crime.So why should we serve a God that will not eternally torture us for NOT believing? First of all, to know Him is to love Him. The goal is a love relationship with God. But I recognize that no one starts out with such a love relationship. And so, it may be good to point out that all men will one day stand before God's throne, and they will be judged according to their deeds (Rev. 20:12). They may avoid this judgment by accepting Jesus Christ's death on the cross by faith.Essentially, to be saved NOW is to avoid a lengthy process of correction LATER. One way or another, all men will be saved, for that is God's promise (Heb. 8:10, 11) and His will (1 Tim. 2:4). Paul says in 1 Tim. 4:10 that the living God is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe. He will save all, but there is a special reward for those that believe.God has both a carrot and a stick. The carrot is the reward for serving Him now. The stick is in the judgment that is to come, along with the fact that unbelievers will be put under the authority of believers until the Creation Jubilee sets them free into the glorious liberty of the sons of God. (Rom. 8:21)Why should we serve God now if all will be saved in the end? There is a special salvation for those who do, and if they do not, they will be held accountable for the deeds done in their life time. Those who accept Him can have opportunity to mature from fear to love, and such people can enjoy a personal relationship with God that is very enjoyable and satisfying.Why should we evangelize others? Because we know by experience the joy of this personal relationship with God. We see His leading day by day. We see evidence of His love for us. And we want everyone to have what we have.Logabe
Does the Wicked Burn Forever?
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No living being simply ceases to exist.When your spirit leaves your body on this earth, you are gathered to a place where others like you exist and you get to remain with them forever.This is supported biblically in Gen 25:17, Gen 35:29, Gen 49:33, Numbers 20:24 & 26 and Deu 32:50. In all these passages it says that they are "gathered unto their people". This is the basis of what is to become of all of us.Because you chose to be like you are, God is not putting you anywhere. You are simply getting what you ultimately want, which is to do as you wish and be like you want to be with others who think the same.We know that none just "die" because the bible itself tells us that Death will be destroyed. We will all live forever in some form.While it is very cute and pious (and satanic) to say that "God is so loving that He would not allow a Hell or allow anyone to exist forever in it" (even tho the bible says this is true, as has been previously pointed out), the truth is that God is so loving that He will allow us to go where we want to, even to Hell if we so chose, because He loves us so much. If you chose to be evil, then you go to a place where all are evil and there you stay. God trys His best to dissuade you from this and you will be aware of this fact forever in the place you have insisted to go to (ie: Dan 12:2)
You know,To sleep (like going to bed) is a type of of the first death, the flesh death. (Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 12:7)To be awake (from bed) is a type of resurrection. (I Corinthians 15:44)The first death, the real flesh death is a type of the second death to come. (Ezekiel 18:4, Ezekiel 18:20, Ezekiel 28:18, Revelation 20:14)
Regardless of the precise nature of God's judgment upon sinners in that age, we know from the law of Jubilee that God's judgments are age-abiding, not everlasting, as some have translated the Greek word, aionian. Proper translations of this term are found in Young's Literal Translation and Rotherham's The Emphasized Bible. They understand aionian in the same way that the early Church fathers did, for their writings often spoke of the judgments to come as being temporary and limited to an age.The law of Jubilee demands an end to all liability for sin (debt) at some point in the future. The law of Jubilee demands that all debts be cancelled at the end of that final age. Then all creation will be set free into the glorious liberty of the sons of God (Rom. 8:21).Logabe[/QUOTE]I will look into this more deeply.............
A quick primer on the Second Death and the Jubilee seems to be in order.We do not have to wonder about what the Second Death will be like because God spells it out for us.The bible says that the Lake of Fire burns "for ever and ever" (Rev 14:11 and Rev 20:10) The bible also tells us that God will live and reign "for ever and ever" (more passages that I can almost count but Heb 1:8 and Rev 10:6 come to mind).If Satan can make you think that the Lake of Fire is temporary, then its not a big jump to saying the same about God, because these passages are saying the same thing about both.Rev 20:14 says "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death".Hmm, so Death, along with Hell, is "thrown into the Lake of Fire" and this act IS what the second Death is. This does not sound too much like the first death that is shown to be like a sleep or a cessation of existance, at least from what I can see. Kind of seems pretty clear.Also, Jubilee was only for Jews toward Jews. The Heathen slaves were never released. The Jews were released because they sold themselves willingly to their brothers and God seemed to feel it was wrong that such an indenture should last eternally.Since the Jews of that time can be equated with the Saved, and the Heathen can be equated with the Wicked, trying to apply the rules of Jubilee towards those that are not saved seems to be in error.
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...Hmm, so Death, along with Hell, is "thrown into the Lake of Fire" and this act IS what the second Death is. This does not sound too much like the first death that is shown to be like a sleep or a cessation of existance, at least from what I can see. ...
I said it in types. The Bible is full of them. The First death is ceasing to exist in flesh body. The Second death is ceasing to exist in soul.
...Hmm, so Death, along with Hell, is "thrown into the Lake of Fire" and this act IS what the second Death is. This does not sound too much like the first death that is shown to be like a sleep or a cessation of existance, at least from what I can see. ...
I said it in types. The Bible is full of them. The First death is ceasing to exist in flesh body. The Second death is ceasing to exist in soul.
(JosyWales;66293)
A quick primer on the Second Death and the Jubilee seems to be in order.We do not have to wonder about what the Second Death will be like because God spells it out for us.The bible says that the Lake of Fire burns "for ever and ever" (Rev 14:11 and Rev 20:10) The bible also tells us that God will live and reign "for ever and ever" (more passages that I can almost count but Heb 1:8 and Rev 10:6 come to mind).If Satan can make you think that the Lake of Fire is temporary, then its not a big jump to saying the same about God, because these passages are saying the same thing about both.Rev 20:14 says "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death".Hmm, so Death, along with Hell, is "thrown into the Lake of Fire" and this act IS what the second Death is. This does not sound too much like the first death that is shown to be like a sleep or a cessation of existance, at least from what I can see. Kind of seems pretty clear.Also, Jubilee was only for Jews toward Jews. The Heathen slaves were never released. The Jews were released because they sold themselves willingly to their brothers and God seemed to feel it was wrong that such an indenture should last eternally.Since the Jews of that time can be equated with the Saved, and the Heathen can be equated with the Wicked, trying to apply the rules of Jubilee towards those that are not saved seems to be in error.
The second death is to cease to exist it is Satan's fate and those who follow him it does not occur untill after the millieum at the white throne judgement All those that overcome this earth age (the Elect ) are not subject to the second deathRev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death Burning in Hell forever the language used dipicts an age not forever ..It's akin to other verese's saying forever.. if you read my previous post you will see Sodom burns forever it isnt burning it ceased to exist ... So will the fire of hell and death when God makes a New Heaven and New earth there is no sin no sinners in the New age to come burning or otherwise they cease to exist.
A quick primer on the Second Death and the Jubilee seems to be in order.We do not have to wonder about what the Second Death will be like because God spells it out for us.The bible says that the Lake of Fire burns "for ever and ever" (Rev 14:11 and Rev 20:10) The bible also tells us that God will live and reign "for ever and ever" (more passages that I can almost count but Heb 1:8 and Rev 10:6 come to mind).If Satan can make you think that the Lake of Fire is temporary, then its not a big jump to saying the same about God, because these passages are saying the same thing about both.Rev 20:14 says "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death".Hmm, so Death, along with Hell, is "thrown into the Lake of Fire" and this act IS what the second Death is. This does not sound too much like the first death that is shown to be like a sleep or a cessation of existance, at least from what I can see. Kind of seems pretty clear.Also, Jubilee was only for Jews toward Jews. The Heathen slaves were never released. The Jews were released because they sold themselves willingly to their brothers and God seemed to feel it was wrong that such an indenture should last eternally.Since the Jews of that time can be equated with the Saved, and the Heathen can be equated with the Wicked, trying to apply the rules of Jubilee towards those that are not saved seems to be in error.
The second death is to cease to exist it is Satan's fate and those who follow him it does not occur untill after the millieum at the white throne judgement All those that overcome this earth age (the Elect ) are not subject to the second deathRev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death Burning in Hell forever the language used dipicts an age not forever ..It's akin to other verese's saying forever.. if you read my previous post you will see Sodom burns forever it isnt burning it ceased to exist ... So will the fire of hell and death when God makes a New Heaven and New earth there is no sin no sinners in the New age to come burning or otherwise they cease to exist.
Josey, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Jesus isour elder brother...therefore He qualifies to redeem us.The law of Jubilee tells us our job description in the earth. It is to set men free, to cancel debt (sin). In this past Age we have been able to point back to the Cross as the basis of this cancellation of debt. Under the anointing of Pentecost, we have been limited in our effectiveness in reaching the world. We have been limited in the number of people we have been able to reach; and we have been limited in the quality of relationship that we have been able to establish between Christ and His Bride. For the most part, the relationship has been that of Hagar. However, as we come into the Tabernacles Age, we see God doing a new thing in the earth. We see Him bringing forth a company of overcomers who are collectively the Isaac company, the son of the freewoman. Prepared by the Jubilee and empowered by Tabernacles, the overcomers of all past ages are prepared as a freewoman Bride, as Sarah, to be the New Jerusalem that is the desire of all nations that have groaned under the yoke of man's religious and political systems. Are you prepared for this new work? Jesus came of the seed of Abraham to redeem Israel as a near kinsman. He also came of flesh and blood, not taking upon Himself the nature of angels, in order that He might be the near kinsman of all flesh and blood (Hebrews 2:11-16). He did so in order to have the lawful right of redemption specified in Lev. 25:48, 49. The slavemaster, Sin, has no rights in this. If Jesus Christ could pay the price of redemption, then He, as a near kinsman, has the right of redemption, and slavemaster has no right to refuse. The life and blood of Jesus Christ was worth far more than all the debts that mankind has ever accumulated through sin. So 1 John 2:2 clearly says, 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. If Jesus Christ had the lawful right to redeem all the world, and if He were willing and able to pay the price to redeem the whole world-- would He do so?? Do you believe that Jesus would save all mankind if He were capable of doing so? It really boils down to a question of whether or not Jesus Christ loves the whole world. For me, John 3:16 is sufficient--"God so loved the world." If Jesus paid the penalty for the sin of the whole world, as John tells us, would He allow Himself to be cheated by the devil out of 95% of mankind? What would YOU do, if you paid for 100 bushels of wheat, but then you received only 5 bushels? Would you be satisfied? How much more than wheat are men worth? It is too much for some to believe that Jesus Christ would really redeem the whole world. We have been taught otherwise for so long. Our Hagar mentality cannot comprehend such a glorious liberty for all of creation. Our experiences of Passover and Pentecost are insufficient and fall short of the Jubilee and the realm of Tabernacles. This is why it is helpful to know the law of God, which prophesies all these things. Please Josey, study the Spirit of the Law and not the Letter so your understanding might be open to understand the scriptures.Luke 24:44-45 says,44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,Logabe
I appreciate that Josy...I'm glad I can intertain you. Mostof the time when people disagree with me...they call me ugly names. Hope you take a second look @ the Jubilee.Logabe
(JosyWales;66305)
I think what I have shown is pretty explanitory.And Logabe, you really crack me up.
What may be explanatory to you may end up creating confusions and mislead others. There is no contradiction to God's Words and Burning in Hell forever is a contradiction to God's Word. Ever heard of the word perish? (John 3:16)We have to look deeper.
I think what I have shown is pretty explanitory.And Logabe, you really crack me up.
What may be explanatory to you may end up creating confusions and mislead others. There is no contradiction to God's Words and Burning in Hell forever is a contradiction to God's Word. Ever heard of the word perish? (John 3:16)We have to look deeper.
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Wow! Why would God raise the dead to die again? It doesn't make sense. Wow!
Exactly my point. God must have a plan and I believeHe does. Rom. 8:20-23 says,20 for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject [it] -- in hope,21 that also the creation itself shall be set free from the servitude of the corruption to the liberty of the glory of the children of God;22 for we have known that all the creation doth groan together, and doth travail in pain together till now.23 And not only [so], but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;The answer to your question is...God has a plan for theWHOLE CREATION as Paul said to the Romans. The reasonHe will raise them from the dead is to correct them in theAGES to comes. That's the plan of a LOVING GOD. He lovesus so much that He wont leave us in this "VANITY". We need to listen to what Paul is telling us. He said the wholeCREATION is waiting for the manifestion of THE SONS OF GOD.Why? If they are going to HELL to burn forever or being raisedto be destroyed...what's the point? The true point is what Paulsaid, the whole CREATION is waiting so they can be released fromthis VANITY. Read it for yourself.God is dealing with us right now and we are called the FIRSTFRUITS because we are submitting to God first. They will submitin the next order (1st Cor. 15:23) says,23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.God has a plan for the whole creation as Paul said...soyou tell me what Paul said if you see it differently.Logabe :naughty:
Wow! Why would God raise the dead to die again? It doesn't make sense. Wow!
Exactly my point. God must have a plan and I believeHe does. Rom. 8:20-23 says,20 for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject [it] -- in hope,21 that also the creation itself shall be set free from the servitude of the corruption to the liberty of the glory of the children of God;22 for we have known that all the creation doth groan together, and doth travail in pain together till now.23 And not only [so], but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;The answer to your question is...God has a plan for theWHOLE CREATION as Paul said to the Romans. The reasonHe will raise them from the dead is to correct them in theAGES to comes. That's the plan of a LOVING GOD. He lovesus so much that He wont leave us in this "VANITY". We need to listen to what Paul is telling us. He said the wholeCREATION is waiting for the manifestion of THE SONS OF GOD.Why? If they are going to HELL to burn forever or being raisedto be destroyed...what's the point? The true point is what Paulsaid, the whole CREATION is waiting so they can be released fromthis VANITY. Read it for yourself.God is dealing with us right now and we are called the FIRSTFRUITS because we are submitting to God first. They will submitin the next order (1st Cor. 15:23) says,23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.God has a plan for the whole creation as Paul said...soyou tell me what Paul said if you see it differently.Logabe :naughty:
QUOTE (precepts @ Dec 23 2008, 12:23 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=66415
Wow! Why would God raise the dead to die again? It doesn't make sense. Wow!
Exactly! That's why I don't subscribe to this anymore. It DOESN'T make sense. The Bible states, "the soul that sins dies". The Apostle Paul wrote about the "wages of sin being death". You die. That's it. You die and you're fogSo how do we explain the 1st and 2nd resurrections in the best light? Well, one theory is that the 1st resurrection is a "spiritual" resurrection or the "rebirth process" after a person has accepted Jesus as his/her Saviour and walks a new path in life. The 2nd resurrection is the literal, physical resurrection of the body after death. That is reserved for those who've made it. Why do we become confused by these things?Because sometimes we don't read the Bible carefully. NO offense intended. I was caught in this trap once.For example:In the book of Daniel: Daniel 12:2 (KJV) "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."We need to be careful how we read this. Yes, it looks like both the righteous and the wicked are to be raised from the grave. But upon closer examination, "it's the shame and everlasting contempt" that is everlasting in the case of the wicked. It doesn't mean they shall be raised from the grave, too.Why would God awake the wicked or the "tares" just to tell them, "Hey, you didn't make it, now you die again."? He's going to raise them up just to tell them they're going to die again? Think about that. Death is punishment for sin with the unbelievers. "Hell" is the grave or pit" where the dead are buried. You die, you're forgotten. Non-existent, if you are rejected by God. Kim
Wow! Why would God raise the dead to die again? It doesn't make sense. Wow!
Exactly! That's why I don't subscribe to this anymore. It DOESN'T make sense. The Bible states, "the soul that sins dies". The Apostle Paul wrote about the "wages of sin being death". You die. That's it. You die and you're fogSo how do we explain the 1st and 2nd resurrections in the best light? Well, one theory is that the 1st resurrection is a "spiritual" resurrection or the "rebirth process" after a person has accepted Jesus as his/her Saviour and walks a new path in life. The 2nd resurrection is the literal, physical resurrection of the body after death. That is reserved for those who've made it. Why do we become confused by these things?Because sometimes we don't read the Bible carefully. NO offense intended. I was caught in this trap once.For example:In the book of Daniel: Daniel 12:2 (KJV) "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."We need to be careful how we read this. Yes, it looks like both the righteous and the wicked are to be raised from the grave. But upon closer examination, "it's the shame and everlasting contempt" that is everlasting in the case of the wicked. It doesn't mean they shall be raised from the grave, too.Why would God awake the wicked or the "tares" just to tell them, "Hey, you didn't make it, now you die again."? He's going to raise them up just to tell them they're going to die again? Think about that. Death is punishment for sin with the unbelievers. "Hell" is the grave or pit" where the dead are buried. You die, you're forgotten. Non-existent, if you are rejected by God. Kim
QUOTE (Jordan @ Dec 15 2008, 02:23 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=65976
No the wicked and not even Satan will burn forever in eternity as there is no such thing existed. They will just die. I'm proud to say that Satan will die that death. Satan and the wicked will just cease to exist.
Actually the Bible could be more clear.Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.This is just one of many verse that shows the eternal torment of the wicked, there were some others posted by the O.P.
No the wicked and not even Satan will burn forever in eternity as there is no such thing existed. They will just die. I'm proud to say that Satan will die that death. Satan and the wicked will just cease to exist.
Actually the Bible could be more clear.Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.This is just one of many verse that shows the eternal torment of the wicked, there were some others posted by the O.P.
QUOTE (watchman @ Feb 11 2009, 12:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69011
Actually the Bible could be more clear.Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.This is just one of many verse that shows the eternal torment of the wicked, there were some others posted by the O.P.
There is no burning in hell forever the word means an age ...as in I will be in debt to you forever you can be in debt to someone after you die its the same meaning in this verse it means an age. The second death is ceasing to exist period not burning forever
Actually the Bible could be more clear.Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.This is just one of many verse that shows the eternal torment of the wicked, there were some others posted by the O.P.
There is no burning in hell forever the word means an age ...as in I will be in debt to you forever you can be in debt to someone after you die its the same meaning in this verse it means an age. The second death is ceasing to exist period not burning forever
QUOTE (Christina @ Feb 11 2009, 06:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69034
There is no burning in hell forever the word means an age ...as in I will be in debt to you forever you can be in debt to someone after you die its the same meaning in this verse it means an age. The second death is ceasing to exist period not burning forever
Actually believe it not I know what the Geek meaning of the word ''aion'' and contrary to your false teaching it actually means forever. It means an age that extends perpetually (without end) without beginning and without end. What you are telling people is simply not true. Forever means exactly what any rational person would assume it means, forever.
There is no burning in hell forever the word means an age ...as in I will be in debt to you forever you can be in debt to someone after you die its the same meaning in this verse it means an age. The second death is ceasing to exist period not burning forever
Actually believe it not I know what the Geek meaning of the word ''aion'' and contrary to your false teaching it actually means forever. It means an age that extends perpetually (without end) without beginning and without end. What you are telling people is simply not true. Forever means exactly what any rational person would assume it means, forever.
QUOTE (watchman @ Feb 11 2009, 03:22 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=69035
Actually believe it not I know what the Geek meaning of the word ''aion'' and contrary to your false teaching it actually means forever. It means an age that extends perpetually (without end) without beginning and without end. What you are telling people is simply not true. Forever means exactly what any rational person would assume it means, forever.
So men would tell you but you are wrong it actually has three meanings including and age so we must go to scripture to discover which is the correct meaning and there is no support for for a burning in hell for an unending period of time. The fact you chose one with no support in scripture doesnt make you right . aiōnOutline of Biblical Usage 1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, ageIn the New Testament there are three different Greek words that are translated into “Hell” in English. They are “Tartarus,” “Gehenna,” and “Hades.” Tartarus is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 “God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.” Tartarus means “dark abyss” or “place of restraint.” Notice also that it says the evil angels are reserved unto judgment, meaning that the day of judgment has not occurred yet, and they are not currently in the red hot fiery underworld. We know that in fact they are busy roaming the earth, actively tempting and attacking the people of God as well as the lost.The second word used for Hell is “Gehenna” which is derived from Hinnon, a rubbish dump outside of Jerusalem where trash and dead animals were burned. It continually smouldered during Bible times. Jesus used this word when He warned about the danger of Hell Fire at the ‘end of the world’ Matthew 13:40-42 “The harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the weeds are gathered in burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world. The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them that do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire, and there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” This word does definitely relate to fire and being burned up or consumed away.In the above verse you will notice that Jesus spoke of the Hell Fire being at the end of the world. Peter further clarified the timing of the Hell Fire to be at the day of judgment, not in the present time 2 Peter 3:7 “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men”.The Bible clearly shows that ungodly men will be burned up by Hell Fire after the millenial reign of Christians in Heaven. Noone’s loved ones are burning in Hell today. Our just and loving God does not sentence anyone to Hell Fire before they have been judged on the day of judgment.The third Greek word translated to Hell is “Hades” which means the grave. Revelation 20:14-15 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”. This verse clarifies that “Hades” itself is not a fiery place, but will be cast into “the lake of fire.” This verse is really saying that death and the grave will be consumed by fire and will be no more. There will be no longer be any more death and no more graves.
Actually believe it not I know what the Geek meaning of the word ''aion'' and contrary to your false teaching it actually means forever. It means an age that extends perpetually (without end) without beginning and without end. What you are telling people is simply not true. Forever means exactly what any rational person would assume it means, forever.
So men would tell you but you are wrong it actually has three meanings including and age so we must go to scripture to discover which is the correct meaning and there is no support for for a burning in hell for an unending period of time. The fact you chose one with no support in scripture doesnt make you right . aiōnOutline of Biblical Usage 1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity2) the worlds, universe3) period of time, ageIn the New Testament there are three different Greek words that are translated into “Hell” in English. They are “Tartarus,” “Gehenna,” and “Hades.” Tartarus is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 “God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.” Tartarus means “dark abyss” or “place of restraint.” Notice also that it says the evil angels are reserved unto judgment, meaning that the day of judgment has not occurred yet, and they are not currently in the red hot fiery underworld. We know that in fact they are busy roaming the earth, actively tempting and attacking the people of God as well as the lost.The second word used for Hell is “Gehenna” which is derived from Hinnon, a rubbish dump outside of Jerusalem where trash and dead animals were burned. It continually smouldered during Bible times. Jesus used this word when He warned about the danger of Hell Fire at the ‘end of the world’ Matthew 13:40-42 “The harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the weeds are gathered in burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world. The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them that do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire, and there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” This word does definitely relate to fire and being burned up or consumed away.In the above verse you will notice that Jesus spoke of the Hell Fire being at the end of the world. Peter further clarified the timing of the Hell Fire to be at the day of judgment, not in the present time 2 Peter 3:7 “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men”.The Bible clearly shows that ungodly men will be burned up by Hell Fire after the millenial reign of Christians in Heaven. Noone’s loved ones are burning in Hell today. Our just and loving God does not sentence anyone to Hell Fire before they have been judged on the day of judgment.The third Greek word translated to Hell is “Hades” which means the grave. Revelation 20:14-15 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”. This verse clarifies that “Hades” itself is not a fiery place, but will be cast into “the lake of fire.” This verse is really saying that death and the grave will be consumed by fire and will be no more. There will be no longer be any more death and no more graves.
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So men would tell you but you are wrong In the New Testament there are three different Greek words that are translated into “Hell” in English. They are “Tartarus,” “Gehenna,” and “Hades.” Tartarus is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 “God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.” Tartarus means “dark abyss” or “place of restraint.” Notice also that it says the evil angels are reserved unto judgment, meaning that the day of judgment has not occurred yet, and they are not currently in the red hot fiery underworld. We know that in fact they are busy roaming the earth, actively tempting and attacking the people of God as well as the lost.The second word used for Hell is “Gehenna” which is derived from Hinnon, a rubbish dump outside of Jerusalem where trash and dead animals were burned. It continually smouldered during Bible times. Jesus used this word when He warned about the danger of Hell Fire at the ‘end of the world’ Matthew 13:40-42 “The harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the weeds are gathered in burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world. The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them that do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire, and there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” This word does definitely relate to fire and being burned up or consumed away.In the above verse you will notice that Jesus spoke of the Hell Fire being at the end of the world. Peter further clarified the timing of the Hell Fire to be at the day of judgment, not in the present time 2 Peter 3:7 “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men”.The Bible clearly shows that ungodly men will be burned up by Hell Fire after the millenial reign of Christians in Heaven. Noone’s loved ones are burning in Hell today. Our just and loving God does not sentence anyone to Hell Fire before they have been judged on the day of judgment.The third Greek word translated to Hell is “Hades” which means the grave. Revelation 20:14-15 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”. This verse clarifies that “Hades” itself is not a fiery place, but will be cast into “the lake of fire.” This verse is really saying that death and the grave will be consumed by fire and will be no more. There will be no longer be any more death and no more graves.
You are right in this sense, hell is not where people burn for all eternity the Lake of fire is, and no one has been sentenced to the lake of fire yet. However their punishment will be eternal and they do not just burn away their suffering will have no end.
So men would tell you but you are wrong In the New Testament there are three different Greek words that are translated into “Hell” in English. They are “Tartarus,” “Gehenna,” and “Hades.” Tartarus is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 “God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.” Tartarus means “dark abyss” or “place of restraint.” Notice also that it says the evil angels are reserved unto judgment, meaning that the day of judgment has not occurred yet, and they are not currently in the red hot fiery underworld. We know that in fact they are busy roaming the earth, actively tempting and attacking the people of God as well as the lost.The second word used for Hell is “Gehenna” which is derived from Hinnon, a rubbish dump outside of Jerusalem where trash and dead animals were burned. It continually smouldered during Bible times. Jesus used this word when He warned about the danger of Hell Fire at the ‘end of the world’ Matthew 13:40-42 “The harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the weeds are gathered in burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world. The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them that do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire, and there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” This word does definitely relate to fire and being burned up or consumed away.In the above verse you will notice that Jesus spoke of the Hell Fire being at the end of the world. Peter further clarified the timing of the Hell Fire to be at the day of judgment, not in the present time 2 Peter 3:7 “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men”.The Bible clearly shows that ungodly men will be burned up by Hell Fire after the millenial reign of Christians in Heaven. Noone’s loved ones are burning in Hell today. Our just and loving God does not sentence anyone to Hell Fire before they have been judged on the day of judgment.The third Greek word translated to Hell is “Hades” which means the grave. Revelation 20:14-15 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”. This verse clarifies that “Hades” itself is not a fiery place, but will be cast into “the lake of fire.” This verse is really saying that death and the grave will be consumed by fire and will be no more. There will be no longer be any more death and no more graves.
You are right in this sense, hell is not where people burn for all eternity the Lake of fire is, and no one has been sentenced to the lake of fire yet. However their punishment will be eternal and they do not just burn away their suffering will have no end.
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