Inheritance

charity · Oct 18, 2019

amadeus said:
Really sorry for my presumption! Sometimes I let myself get out of hand, presuming worse for others than is really the case. I have too many friends who also love God, but do not follow the pattern into which I find myself. I was just reading Romans chapter 14 this morning and it reminded me about difference. I do sincerely apologize.

I am dwelling a bit on the end of this time on corruptible flesh for so many I have known as now another old friend is now hospitalized with lung cancer stage 4. I have a ever growing list on my computer of people related to me by blood, marriage and friendship that have left the stage so to speak. That combined with read old new clippings, obituaries and browsing my collections of thousands of photographs, I realize more than ever that He is ultimately the Hope for each one of us.

Give God the glory!

I am humbled by your response @amadeus, and praise God for the grace you have shown. No apology is needed, but I do thank you for your response.

At 71, I understand your feelings about friends and family and the increasing realisation that all that ultimately matters is Christ and the hope He has laid before us. We may differ in our understanding, but we can both praise God for His incomparable grace and love.

With love to you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

charity · Oct 18, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
lay up treasure in Heaven. For inheritance ask: what treasure did Paul lay up in Heaven...a crown of righteousness. Glory? Even Abraham ...the blessing was children. Even fruitful land in be fruitful and multiply...what is the fruit of the loins of compassion. Doesn’t Matthew 5:43-48 Speak of God as perfect? “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so? [48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”

“...for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.“

The promise of feed your enemies and heap coals of fire on their head. We see this promise fulfilled, yeah? Consider Stephen and the young man named Saul they who stoned Stephen laid their coats at Saul's feet. Stephen's cry to God to forgive them. “...for he makes his sun to rise” ...did God’s light rise on Saul? Did God’s light rise on Evil destroying the works of evil? Don’t forget Paul said he was an enemy of the church and wasted it. Acts 22:6-11 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. [7] And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [8] And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. [9] And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. [10] And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. [11] And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.

All the times God says they WILL hate you For My Name Sake...then the instructions and promise to intreat...bless those who curse you. Overcome evil with good. Yes, He comes ‘to give’ according to their works. “Bless” and curse not in blessing overcomes the curse. Will God “give” the blessing over the curse? All nations will be blessed through those of Him is the inheritance...

Hello @VictoryinJesus,

Your thinking on this is new to me, and I cannot yet say that I fully understand, but I do thank you for your response. The Scriptures you have quoted have been a blessing and your understanding of it revealing. I will be considering this again, and prayerfully taking it in, in order to fully understand your reasoning, in relation to 'inheritance', in the light of these Scriptures.

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

charity · Oct 21, 2019

charity said:
Hello there,

The subject of 'Inheritance' has been occupying my mind for several days now, e.g., the fact that though Abraham and his offspring were to inherit the land promised, Abraham subsequently had quite a different hope in view.

This is just one of the trains of thought associated with this subject, taking in the Apostle Paul too, and the inheritance that was his, both through natural birth, birth from above, and the change fresh revelation brought in regard to it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

'I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. ... '
(Romans 11:1-2a)
Hello again,

Thinking of Paul in terms of 'inheritance', I thought of His words, in Romans 11:1 (above) and Philippians 3:5, in which he tells his readers that he was of the tribe of Benjamin. So, I began by looking up reference to Benjamin in the concordance, and came to the time when Jacob blessed his sons before he died, where he typified each one prophetically: and of Benjamin he said, in Genesis 49:27, 'Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.'

*In regard to this, in the margin of my Bible I found references of comparison, showing how that prophecy was fulfilled among the offspring of Benjamin. (Judges 3:15; 1 Samuel 11:6-11; 1 Samuel 14:13-48) which eventually brought me to Saul of Tarsus (Paul), in (Acts 7:58; Acts 8:1 & 3; Acts 9:13, 14, 21; Acts 22:4-8 and 1 Timothy 1:13).

* In the first reference (Judges 3:12-30) the record is of a Benjamin-ite called Ehud, raised up by God to deliver the Israelites out of bondage to Eglon a king of Moab, whom God had allowed to overpower Israel because they did evil in His sight. They served Eglon for eighteen years, but when they cried unto the Lord, God raised up Ehud to deliver them.

* Ehud had a two edged dagger about 9" long, which he thrust into the body of king Eglon, who was a very fat man, and it drove in so far into the fat, that it was enclosed by it over the hilt, so that it could no longer be seen. King Eglon died, and Israel was thereby delivered.
King Saul also was another example of a Benjamin-ite who, along with his brethren acted like a ravening wolf against the enemies of Israel.

* However, it is also Saul of Tarsus, our beloved Paul, who before his conversion, true to type, like a ravening wolf, captured and imprisoned believers from among his own countrymen, who were subsequently tortured and killed. This was his confession before God:-

'And I said, "Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee:
And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death,
and kept the raiment of them that slew him."
(Acts 22:19-20)

* Yet as Paul the Apostle, chosen of God and precious, (like Ehud) he also learned to wield a two edged blade (spiritually), 'the sword of the Spirit', which he used to persuade his countrymen, concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 28:23), and deliver them from the bondage of the law, by bringing them into the faith of Christ, dividing between joints and marrow, exposing what was of the spirit and what was of the flesh: and revealing the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

* The journey this line of enquiry in the Word of God took me on was a blessing to me, and I hope it will be to you.

* There is another side to the tribe of Benjamin, (who were the smallest of the tribes because of an incident in their history recorded in Judges 19 & 20 , resulting in their fellow Israelites having to make war against them). In Deuteronomy 33:12, when blessing the children of Israel, concerning the tribe of Benjamin Moses said,

'And of Benjamin he said,
"The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him;
and the LORD shall cover him all the day long,
and he shall dwell between his shoulders.'

* This is also something I would like to investigate further, for it has to do with Zion, Jerusalem, beloved of God.

* Paul, as a Benjamin-ite will be eligible to share in their portion of the inheritance in the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: which necessitates resurrection for it's fulfilment, in that future day. Yet, like Abraham, he also has an inheritance which supersedes that one, doesn't he? Which I will take up in another entry (God willing).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

DaiCounStaae · Oct 21, 2019

charity said:
Hello there,

The subject of 'Inheritance' has been occupying my mind for several days now, e.g., the fact that though Abraham and his offspring were to inherit the land promised, Abraham subsequently had quite a different hope in view.

This is just one of the trains of thought associated with this subject, taking in the Apostle Paul too, and the inheritance that was his, both through natural birth, birth from above, and the change fresh revelation brought in regard to it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I asked Jesus what to say to you.

Here is the thoughts of Jesus upon this subject.

Everyone inherits that to which they sow.
God is a respecter of no persons.

charity · Oct 21, 2019

DaiCounStaae said:
I asked Jesus what to say to you.

Here is the thoughts of Jesus upon this subject.

Everyone inherits that to which they sow.
God is a respecter of no persons.

Thank you @DaiCounStaae,

Forgive me if I do not say more in response to your entry, for it is now 4.00 am here in the UK, and I am going back to bed.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Enoch111 · Oct 21, 2019

DaiCounStaae said:
Everyone inherits that to which they sow.

Everyone REAPS what they sow. That's the Law of Sowing and Reaping.

But the inheritance which God has reserved for His heirs (who are also joint-heirs with Christ) is a PURE GIFT OF GOD'S GRACE. We do NOT earn, or merit, or deserve this inheritance, and it is quite different from the rewards and the crowns.

DaiCounStaae · Oct 21, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Everyone REAPS what they sow. That's the Law of Sowing and Reaping.

But the inheritance which God has reserved for His heirs (who are also joint-heirs with Christ) is a PURE GIFT OF GOD'S GRACE. We do NOT earn, or merit, or deserve this inheritance, and it is quite different from the rewards and the crowns.

So you say that to which I said Jesus said to me to tell that woman is a lie.

Is this correct about you?

I want to make sure to get this on the record.

Enoch111 · Oct 21, 2019

DaiCounStaae said:
So you say that to which I said Jesus said to me to tell that woman is a lie. Is this correct about you? I want to make sure to get this on the record.

What you have said here is not very clear. It is not about me, but about God and what He gives His children. Seems like you have a problem with that.

DaiCounStaae · Oct 21, 2019

Enoch111 said:
What you have said here is not very clear. It is not about me, but about God and what He gives His children. Seems like you have a problem with that.

So you say that to which I said Jesus said to me to tell that woman is a lie.

Either it is YES or it is NO.

Which is it?

Truth · Oct 21, 2019

charity said:
That has no application though,@ amadeus, does it? Not according to God's reckoning. For in His estimation we have died with Christ, been buried, quickened, raised and ascended with Him to God's right hand, where we await His appearing: when we shall appear with Him in glory; for death has no power over those whom He has redeemed: to hold them for ever; for they only await the resurrection out from among the dead.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Ruth, the book, Here is an example! A Moabites woman that was not allowed into the Assembly for 10 generations, becomes a Grandmother of our Savior, GRAFTED into the Household of God

DaiCounStaae · Oct 21, 2019

Truth said:
Ruth, the book, Here is an example! A Moabites woman that was not allowed into the Assembly for 10 generations, becomes a Grandmother of our Savior, GRAFTED into the Household of God

You have to be born into the Kingdom of God. Do you agree?

charity · Oct 22, 2019

DaiCounStaae said:
I asked Jesus what to say to you.

Here is the thoughts of Jesus upon this subject.

Everyone inherits that to which they sow.
God is a respecter of no persons.

Hello there,

With respect, the Word of God is the only source of intelligence that I trust regarding what the Lord Jesus Christ spoke concerning any subject.

It is not sufficient to say that the Lord told you to tell me what you have, for respectfully, anyone can make that claim.

The fact that God is no respector of persons is true, that we reap what we sow is also true, according to the Word of God: but whether either truth is a valid response to my entry, #23, is another matter.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

farouk · Oct 22, 2019

charity said:
Hello there,

With respect, the Word of God is the only source of intelligence that I trust regarding what the Lord Jesus Christ spoke concerning any subject.

It is not sufficient to say that the Lord told you to tell me what you have, for respectfully, anyone can make that claim.

The fact that God is no respector of persons is true, that we reap what we sow is also true, according to the Word of God: but whether either truth is a valid response to my entry, #23, is another matter.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

So important to be Scripture based and centred, indeed...

Enoch111 · Oct 22, 2019

DaiCounStaae said:
So you say that to which I said Jesus said to me to tell that woman is a lie. Either it is YES or it is NO. Which is it?

With all due respect, you are making absolutely no sense.

bbyrd009 · Oct 22, 2019

Beware the thief in the night I guess

Truth · Oct 22, 2019

DaiCounStaae said:
You have to be born into the Kingdom of God. Do you agree?

Well, I believe that when we put on that incorruptible Body/form that-that is the being born Again?

liafailrock · Oct 24, 2019

charity said:
Hello there,

The subject of 'Inheritance' has been occupying my mind for several days now, e.g., the fact that though Abraham and his offspring were to inherit the land promised, Abraham subsequently had quite a different hope in view.

This is just one of the trains of thought associated with this subject, taking in the Apostle Paul too, and the inheritance that was his, both through natural birth, birth from above, and the change fresh revelation brought in regard to it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Yes, I used to run a web site based on the Abrahamic promises. It's a long story, but I will try to summarize it. Abraham was indeed promised actual land, many physical descendents, a great nation, many nations, multiple Kings and blessings to go with it. These were physical blessings. The spiritual that you mention is that this land, nation, people, etc were a type of the Kingdom of God. The "heavenly Kingdom" is understood to be the spiritual component (starting with Christ) who would then inherit this Kingdom here on this earth. It's not about "dying and going to heaven" like the nations teach. It's about ruling here on this earth, otherwise the physical promises would not make any sense. The Israelites are the people he decided to use to work out his Kingdom, and by extension, personal salvation, starting with the church (the firstfruits) and then those called later in the ages to come. This Kingdom is worldwide and will include all peoples.

These great (physical and by extension spiritual) promises were passed father to son to Isaac, then to Jacob who was renamed Israel after that famous wrestling with an angel story. This is the Inheritance, also known as the birthright. Then with Jacob (Israel) a strange thing happened on his deathbed. He split these promises so that Judah had the scepter and lineage of the Kings, hence the Lord is from Judah. That can also be thought of as the spiritual component as "Salvation is of the Jews". The actual birthright never went to the Jews, but the tribe of Joseph. These were the promises a nations and many peoples. If you note, Joseph became as a Gentile to his brethren and they did not even know him at first. Likewise, these tribes, specifically this one, are not with the Jews today, but became other "Gentile" nations. This is why you have repetitious ad nauseum in the prophets "house of Israel (the birthright nation) and House of Judah (the Jews from whence Christ came). Only Judah returned to the land after the captivity (and a few priests from Levi and Benjamin) and most in Israel today are mostly from Judah. The Lord will regather the rest in the end. (See Ezekiel 37) This is why when Jesus said to the Jews "where I go you cannot come" they joked and said, "Where will he go? To the Gentiles and teach the Gentiles?" If one is versed enough in scripture, this was actually pretty funny because only Messiah could regather the remaining lost tribes amongst the nations and here's this regular looking guy making what they thought was a claim about seeking them out. You need supernatural power which Jesus will return in power and glory, so yes, he will do that.

In the meantime, the church are the first ones he chosen to rule and reign with him (Revelation 1:6) as the Kingdom under Christ is established and people on this earth learn to obey. They play the Judah and Levi roles as Kings and priests. I'll stop there as there is more beyond this, but that explains the land inheritance promises being tied with the spiritual, and ultimately people's salvation. Hope that helps.

VictoryinJesus · Oct 24, 2019

charity said:
Hello @VictoryinJesus,

You have brought a new viewpoint to be considered.

* Whoa! If our blessing is in proportion and character to that which we have sown, how careful we should all be to sow what is good!!! Yes?

* So, you equate 'inheritance' as 'reward', to be enjoyed in resurrection life? Yes?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Revisiting “inheritance”. Not to take away from but to contribute for you to consider. In Hebrews 7:1-28 Abraham is returning from “the slaughter of kings” ...Melchisedec priest of the most high God blesses him. “first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace:”

Consider “And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.”

“a better hope” and “a better testament”. ...the less is blessed of the better. Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The passage on Melchisedec speaks of the need for many priests because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death. but Christ continues and has an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore He is able to save them to the “uttermost” that come unto God by Him.

“For the Law maketh men high priest which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the Law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.” ...John 1:12
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

(Romans 15:1) (1 Corinthians 10:24)

“...the less is blessed of the better.”
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

regardless of how it aligns with inheritance...blessing continues and endures when curses come to an end.
James 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

charity · Oct 25, 2019

@liafailrock,
@VictoryinJesus

Thank you both for your entries. I have only read them through, not properly considered them, so I won't respond beyond my thanks for taking the time and effort to enter as you have, until I have done so.

I am inclined to get caught up in the excitement of discovery, when I go back into the Old Testament and follow through on a subject, so that I can easily get caught and held by facets of the study, as I did in looking back at the tribe of Benjamin, Paul's line of descent. There is so much more that could have been said.

I am not finished with this yet, but I thank you all for your input, and maybe I will be able to return and add more as I am able. I hope that you have been blessed by the process as you have dwelt on and considered your responses, too.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

VictoryinJesus · Oct 26, 2019

charity said:
Paul's line of descent.

“Paul’s line of descent.” Interesting choice of word. Hebrews 7:2-3 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; [3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

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