The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

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Where does it say the person suffers? It says they suffer loss. That is not the same thing.
WRONG.
It says:
But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person WILL be saved, but only as through fire.

They will suffer AS THROUGH FIRE.
since when does that not hurt??

There isn't ANY kind of suffering in Heaven. There cannot be suffering where imperfection does NOT exist.
 
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And notice how Fundamentalists like Ezra feel the need to resort to ridicule of other's faith to compensate for their exegetical ineptness. Yes, Ezra, many United Methodists are filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues. The Fundamentalist need to ridicule Catholics as Papists, Romanists, Popery, etc. eloquently attests the low grade of spirituality that many Fundamentalists display online. This conduct often makes me ashamed to call myself an Evangelical.
 
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sigh here we go again note THE BLOOD there is NO third state gessh

1 Peter 1:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. please note verse 23 the 2 words BORN AGAIN

YOU DO UNDERSTAND BORN AGAIN ?
You should step aside and let some of your fellow anti-Catholics debate this subject because you are trying to argue this topic from a position of complete and total ignorance.

You don’t really understand the Biblical concept of Purgatory (Final Purification).

Final Purification is ONLY possible because of the Blood of Christ. Without His death and Resurrection, we have no hope. Not only do Catholics understand what “born again” means – we taught it to the WORLD with the guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15) - least 1500 years before your Protestant Fathers perverted the Gospel.

Let me know when you’re ready to have an intelligent discussion on the topic.

Do your homework BEFORE responding . . .
 

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Ummmm, Purgatory or final purification is PART of the Judgement. It happens AFTER death.
it DOES not you are purified by the Blood of Jesus for the remission of sins . you better quit drinking the koolaid your drinking {doctrine) when we get saved regenerated he sanctifies us making us Holy /set apart ..he then justifies us declares us righteous /not guilty /just as if we never sinned .. ok read 1 john 1:7 walk in the Light 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. the Blood does what . ? question why was the blood applied to the door post in egypt ? so the death angel would passover that house... the atonement the payment for our sins on the cross once was enough
Hebrews 9:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

is there any thing else i need to show you ???
 

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You should step aside and let some of your fellow anti-0Catholics debate this subject because you are trying to argue this topic from a position of complete and total and complete ignorance.

You don’t really understand the Biblical concept of Purgatory (Final Purification).

Final Purification is ONLY possible because of the Blood of Christ. Without His death and Resurrection, we have no hope. Not only do Catholics understand what “born again” means – we taught it to the WORLD with the guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15) - least 1500 years before your Protestant Fathers perverted the Gospel.

Let me know when you’re ready to have an intelligent discussion on the topic.

Do your homework BEFORE responding . . .
i did my home work there is no third step.. that you claimed ..the only gospel being perverted is by you . might i add you might want to stay on the porch since you cant run with the big dogs
complete and total and complete ignorance.
yes yours is showing
 

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The Fundamentalist need to ridicule Catholics as Papists, Romanists, Popery, etc. eloquently attests the low grade of spirituality that many Fundamentalists display online. This conduct often makes me ashamed to call myself an Evangelical.
hmmm
phesians 4:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; so i am suppose to buy every thing the catholic teach ? as per the umc i was raised in the U M C . while there may be methodist speak in tongues but it is not UMC doctrine do you pray in Jesus name or to mary .if you had the opportunity would you bow down down to the pope ?
 
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WRONG.
It says:
But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person WILL be saved, but only as through fire.

They will suffer AS THROUGH FIRE.
since when does that not hurt??

There isn't ANY kind of suffering in Heaven. There cannot be suffering where imperfection does NOT exist.
Are you going to address my actual post?
 

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And notice how Fundamentalists like Ezra feel the need to resort to ridicule of other's faith to compensate for their exegetical ineptness. Yes, Ezra, many United Methodists are filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues. The Fundamentalist need to ridicule Catholics as Papists, Romanists, Popery, etc. eloquently attests the low grade of spirituality that many Fundamentalists display online. This conduct often makes me ashamed to call myself an Evangelical.
This is proof catholics are blind to what their own do here on a daily basis.
 
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Final Purification is ONLY possible because of the Blood of Christ. Without His death and Resurrection, we have no hope. Not only do Catholics understand what “born again” means – we taught it to the WORLD with the guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15) - least 1500 years before your Protestant Fathers perverted the Gospel.

Let me know when you’re ready to have an intelligent discussion on the topic.
first i need someone intelligent to talk to . see how wrong you are there is NO Final Purification .we are purified by the blood the moment one is born again they call it justification once again look at these scriptures
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us( proper wording would be sin offering) , who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

why on earth do you even think there is a finial or 3rd step in being purified ? talk about perverting the Gospel. you have been countered number of times . you almost remind me of the jehovah witness i talked to they agreed on every thing i said . even though i know better . i hate to inform you this is not my 1st rodeo
 

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it DOES not you are purified by the Blood of Jesus for the remission of sins . you better quit drinking the koolaid your drinking {doctrine) when we get saved regenerated he sanctifies us making us Holy /set apart ..he then justifies us declares us righteous /not guilty /just as if we never sinned .. ok read 1 john 1:7 walk in the Light 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. the Blood does what . ? question why was the blood applied to the door post in egypt ? so the death angel would passover that house... the atonement the payment for our sins on the cross once was enough
Hebrews 9:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

is there any thing else i need to show you ???
This post once again shows your complete ignorance of the doctrine of Final Purification - also known as "Purgatory".

If you can't discuss this rationally or intelligently - then step aside an let your fellow anti-Catholics argue the point.
 

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Are you going to address my actual post?
I did.

Why do you keep dodging the issue and dancing around a response??
If you're not equipped to discuss this - just admit it and we'll move on.
 

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first i need someone intelligent to talk to . see how wrong you are there is NO Final Purification .we are purified by the blood the moment one is born again they call it justification once again look at these scriptures
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us( proper wording would be sin offering) , who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

why on earth do you even think there is a finial or 3rd step in being purified ? talk about perverting the Gospel. you have been countered number of times . you almost remind me of the jehovah witness i talked to they agreed on every thing i said . even though i know better . i hate to inform you this is not my 1st rodeo
That makes your responses all the more pathetic.

And, no - that's NOT what justification means. It doesn't mean you have been "purified".
Justification is where we have been transformed into a state of sonship with God. If you were totally pure - you would be perfect - which you are not.

Would you say that you are completely perfect?
If your answer is "Yes" - prove it with Scripture . . .
 

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hmmm
phesians 4:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; so i am suppose to buy every thing the catholic teach ? as per the umc i was raised in the U M C . while there may be methodist speak in tongues but it is not UMC doctrine do you pray in Jesus name or to mary .if you had the opportunity would you bow down down to the pope ?
This is more nonsense based on your complete ignorance of ALL things Catholic.

We don't pray in Mary's name - that would be blasphemous.
The fact that I have to tell you shows a real pathetic ignorance on your part.
 
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We don't pray in Mary's name - that would be blasphemous.
The fact that I have to tell you shows a real pathetic ignorance on your part.
ignorance ? hmm i been around catholics heard them pray nice try but no cigar
 

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And, no - that's NOT what justification means. It doesn't mean you have been "purified".
Justification is where we have been transformed into a state of sonship with God. If you were totally pure - you would be perfect - which you are not.

Would you say that you are completely perfect?
If your answer is "Yes" - prove it with Scripture . . .
i am pure in Christ Jesus his blood has made me pure i been purified by his blood psst what does this say ?
Hebrews 9:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

1 Peter 1:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


1 John 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


Titus 1:14-16 King James Version (KJV)
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

anything else ? the BLOOD MAKES ME PURE
 

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i am pure in Christ Jesus his blood has made me pure i been purified by his blood psst what does this say ?
Hebrews 9:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

1 Peter 1:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 John 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Titus 1:14-16 King James Version (KJV)
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

anything else ? the BLOOD MAKES ME PURE
i did thank you very much can you not read? or do you want to twist scripture anything else ?
And ALL of these verses show the PROCESS of becoming pure.
We are BEING purified as we are BEING sanctified . . .

2 Cor. 2:15
For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are BEING SAVED and among those who are perishing

2 Cor. 7:1

Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.

Phil. 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,

Heb 12:14
STRIVE for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.


All you've proven is that you don't know the Word of God.

You're NOT perfect yet, pal.
But your arrogance is enough for TEN people . . .
 
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You're NOT perfect yet, pal.
But your arrogance is enough for TEN people .
pssst i told you my perfection is in CHRIST not of ,my self..my sins are forgiven i am the righteousness of Christ JESUS but wait you went from pure to perfect Heb 12:14
STRIVE for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. i have holiness i am Holy i been made holy sanctified .. what part of this don't you understand.. oris it you will deny no matter what . see perfect means complete in Christ we area W.I.P figure it out. honestly its been real and fun but not real fun 2 Cor. 7:1
Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God. we are being cleansed its a commandment ----->
2 Timothy 2:19

“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” i john 1;9 . see i have a seal of righteousness on me. justified is ONE TIME . SANCTIFICATION is a continuing progress . while the blood makes us pure white as snow .we have to depend on Jesus for help the final step to our sanctification si when we get to heaven . but there is not stopping place to be made pure.. with out the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.. remission means GONE . we re Crucified with Christ galatians 2:20 i think it is.. next ?