Calvinism

John Caldwell · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
A snake would say that.

Yeah, the Catholic Church. But not Scripture.

That is what you said, not me. For some reason you seem believe my statement that Calvinism did not exist pre-Calvin, its systematized soteriological placement did not exist pre-Beza, and TULIP did not exist pre-Dort.

It is simple history, kid. Not ad hominem. Calvinism is not found in any Christian document (to include Scripture) prior to the 16th century.

To you that means I am a snake. I exoected nothing less of you. I have learned cultish people can only defend their believes via calling the opposing people snakes or devils...anything but Christians who hold a different view.

Giuliano · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
Wow so you have no idea of whether or not you are going to Heaven or Hell? You must live in terrific fear of death.

Why would I fear death? My conscience is clear. If I stay on course, there's nothing at all to fear. If I mess up, then I should fear.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

Willie T said:
What I am trying to point out (besides the problem with "flash-bang" answering without much thought, as fast as we can get to our keyboards ) is that if we are going to have one side of our mouths demanding SCRIPTURE!!! from people, and saying we always back-up our words with Scripture..... then we really shouldn't let the other side of that same mouth say that everyone should just "know" an accepted (assumed?) POV.

This post was unnecessary. I retracted my statement. However, I would contend that the apostolic status, in the sense of divine appointment happened at the point of the Great Commission. Their status changed at that point and Judas was not included in that.

That being said, I have been backing up what I said with Scripture.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

Giuliano said:
Why would I fear death? My conscience is clear. If I stay on course, there's nothing at all to fear. If I mess up, then I should fear.

Which of course is nonsense. We CAN know that we are saved. Romans 10:9-10. We know we CANNOT lose our salvation. See John's Gospel as well as Romans 8

CharismaticLady · Oct 19, 2019

Steve Owen said:
1 John 1:8-9. 'If we say that we have [present tense] no sin, we deceive [present tense] ourselves and the truth is [present tense] not in us. If we confess [present tense] our sins, He is [present tense] faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.'
The use of 'we' and 'us' shows that John is associating himself with the recipients of his letter. The Present Tense in Greek denotes continuity. The implications of that are rather obvious.
In 1 Timothy 1:15, Paul calls himself the 'chief of sinners' and, like John uses the Present Tense.

You really haven't a clue what John or Paul mean do you. You and David are trying so hard to justify sinning you have chosen false teachers.

Giuliano · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
Wow, do you really need to see the word saved? Guess what the word Trinity is not found in the Bible either.

I happen to like to use the words used in the Bible. If the prophets used the words they did, those words work for me. I think they meant what they wrote and meant to use the words they used. It's not my role to introduce new words or new definitions of words.

You will find no example anywhere in the Bible about people being "saved" already. There is one that looks that way at first; but it really means (in Greek) "are being saved" although it's translated "saved" in some Bibles. I agree with that. We are being saved. We are not saved yet. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

Giuliano said:
I happen to like to use the words used in the Bible. If the prophets used the words they did, those words work for me. I think they meant what they wrote and meant to use the words they used. It's not my role to introduce new words or new definitions of words.

You will find no example anywhere in the Bible about people being "saved" already. There is one that looks that way at first; but it really means (in Greek) "are being saved" although it's translated "saved" in some Bibles. I agree with that. We are being saved. We are not saved yet. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

Heresy

Willie T · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
Wow, do you really need to see the word saved? Guess what the word Trinity is not found in the Bible either.

That is why some of the wisest people here have said they cannot just jump on the Trinity bandwagon... especially since not a one of us REALLY knows what that kind of a relationship truly means.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
You really haven't a clue what John or Paul mean do you. You and David are trying so hard to justify sinning you have chosen false teachers.

Who said anything about justifying sin? Strawman

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

Willie T said:
That is why some of the wisest people here have said they cannot just jump on the Trinity bandwagon... especially since not a one of us REALLY knows what that kind of a relationship truly means.

Wisest? No. Fools.

Giuliano · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
Which of course is nonsense. We CAN know that we are saved. Romans 10:9-10. We know we CANNOT lose our salvation. See John's Gospel as well as Romans 8

Did you read that? You must not have. It's future tense. "Shall be saved" is in the future. Produce a verse that has it in the past tense.

CharismaticLady · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
First, you are flat wrong. Second, James also said confess your sins one to another. And he was writing that TO BELIEVERS. Why would they need to confess sins if they could not sin? You speak a false heretical gospel. Heretic.

Romans 1 through 7 is Paul's teaching on the Jewis laws. The New Covenant goes from the LAW that has been the only thing people had from Moses up until Christ. Through Christ and the new birth, the New Covenant is the law of the Spirit that goes much deeper than the bottom-line Old Testament commandments. Chapters 6 and 8 are out introductions to the Spirit.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

Giuliano said:
Did you read that? You must not have. It's future tense. "Shall be saved" is in the future. Produce a verse that has it in the past tense.

You realize that shall be saved means once you fulfill those requirements you are saved right?

Giuliano · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
You realize that shall be saved means once you fulfill those requirements you are saved right?

I read it as written: Future tense. Find a place in the Bible that talks about people "being saved" now they way you and other talk about it. It's not in there.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

CharismaticLady said:
Romans 1 through 7 is Paul's teaching on the Jewis laws. The New Covenant goes from the LAW that has been the only thing people had from Moses up until Christ. Through Christ and the new birth, the New Covenant is the law of the Spirit that goes much deeper than the bottom-line Old Testament commandments. Chapters 6 and 8 are out introductions to the Spirit.

That has nothing to do with the fact he said he still sins. And you ignore James 5. You have yet to deal with that.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

Giuliano said:
Stop making things up.

How is that making things up? Good grief. Guess I need to ignore you as well.

Giuliano · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
Heresy

Show me then. Don't call names. Show me. Show us all.

reformed1689 · Oct 19, 2019

Giuliano said:
I read it as written: Future tense. Find a place in the Bible that talks about people "being saved" now they way you and other talk about it. It's not in there.

Acts 2:47

Willie T · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
Wisest? No. Fools.

So then, clearly explain to all of us how three entities can exist as one, or two, or three... all over the universe at once, and still have one (or maybe two) of them living inside each of us.

Try to do it in less than 400 words, please.

John Caldwell · Oct 19, 2019

David Taylor said:
You are trying to make me look like an idiot.

Me? No. I just offered what you said. I am not responsible for how it makes you look.

You said theology does not work in such a way as to provide evidence from the text of Scripture (what is actually written). Mine does. Why do you believe yours does not?

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