ROMANS 3:28 JUSTIFIED BY FAITH

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Doug

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Water is an important element in the equation, 1 Peter 3:20-21.
Water baptism was only for Israel. In Mark 16:16 Jesus commanded water baptism to be saved physically to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth. In 1 Peter 3:20-22 Peter speaks that the water of baptism saves Israel by the resurrection of Christ. The resurrection saved them by giving assurance that he is alive in heaven and will come to establish the kingdom to Israel.
 

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Water baptism was only for Israel.

I disagree.

For if that it is the case, then the great commission is only for Israel, and not for the church.

Because water baptism is included in the great commission.
 

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I disagree.

For if that it is the case, then the great commission is only for Israel, and not for the church.

Because water baptism is included in the great commission.

The "great commission" is indeed only given to the eleven disciples (Matthew 28:16).
We are ambassadors for Christ 2 Corinthians 5:20
 

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Water baptism was only for Israel. In Mark 16:16 Jesus commanded water baptism to be saved physically to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth. In 1 Peter 3:20-22 Peter speaks that the water of baptism saves Israel by the resurrection of Christ. The resurrection saved them by giving assurance that he is alive in heaven and will come to establish the kingdom to Israel.
Again, the Great Commission debunks this.

Go therefore into all the nations and make disciples BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL that I commanded you.

That totally debunks your theory that baptism is only for Israel.
 

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The "great commission" is indeed only given to the eleven disciples (Matthew 28:16).
We are ambassadors for Christ 2 Corinthians 5:20
Except the Great Commission tells them to teach those they are making disciples of to observe all that he commanded them. That includes what he is telling them at that moment which means it is not only for the 11.
 

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Again, the Great Commission debunks this.

Go therefore into all the nations and make disciples BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL that I commanded you.

That totally debunks your theory that baptism is only for Israel.

Yes it would if the "great commission" was given to the church today, the body of Christ, but nowhere does Paul apply this to the church in his epistles. We are ambassadors for Christ according to 2 Corinthians 5:20 and have the word of reconciliation.

Please consider the "great commission":
The eleven were commanded (Matthew 28:16 Mark 16:14 Luke 24:43 John 20:19).

Go teach the nations baptizing them (Matthew 28:19); they were to teach all Jesus commanded them which would include the law, as Jesus taught the law (Matthew 23:1-3). The law would be taught in the Davidic kingdom as well (Isaiah 2:2-3). Baptism was for Israel to cleanse them for the priesthood (Exodus 29:4) and remission of sins (Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16). Paul nowhere commands baptism in this dispensation of grace.

They were to preach the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 4:23) as Jesus taught them (Matthew 24:14). They were not preaching the gospel of grace as Paul.
 

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Not quite. The only way a person would understand it is by God's grace, 1 Corinthians 2:14. It is all by God's grace, not because man could read it and understand it out of some inherent ability.
Of course it's by God's grace. Have I said otherwise?

Do you not feel this to be a valid observation?

You don't think God knew you when He wrote the Bible?

You don't think that God know how you would understand it, and what you would think?

Do you not think that God wrote His Bible to you?

Much love!
 

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Of course it's by God's grace. Have I said otherwise?

Do you not feel this to be a valid observation?

You don't think God knew you when He wrote the Bible?

You don't think that God know how you would understand it, and what you would think?

Do you not think that God wrote His Bible to you?
You're still so far off it's not worth continuing. Thank you.
 

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Everything written is for our learning but does not all apply to us.

All scripture is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).

How then can any of it not apply to us?
 
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You said baptism isn't for us because Paul doesn't write about it. What does that have to do with anything?

You were the one here that said:
"Go therefore into all the nations and make disciples BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL that I commanded you.
That totally debunks your theory that baptism is only for Israel."
 

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You were the one here that said:
"Go therefore into all the nations and make disciples BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Teaching them to OBSERVE ALL that I commanded you.
That totally debunks your theory that baptism is only for Israel."
Because it does. So I ask again, what does Paul have anything to do with it?
 

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All scripture is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).

How then can any of it not apply to us?

Let me respectfully answer you.

Please look at this verse:
Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

If this is to be applied to you you would have to obey and sell all you have. Have you sold all and if not why not?
 

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Because it does. So I ask again, what does Paul have anything to do with it?

Paul applies because as I stated:
Yes it would if the "great commission" was given to the church today, the body of Christ, but nowhere does Paul apply this to the church in his epistles. We are ambassadors for Christ according to 2 Corinthians 5:20 and have the word of reconciliation.

The "great commission" was given to the eleven disciples to obey not the body of Christ or Paul would have given commands from Christ for the church to obey it.