Fundamentalism

teamventure said:

I want to start this thread to learn more about what points of Christian Fundamentalism are Biblical in basis and what are culturally inherited beliefs that were adopted over time.

I found the big 5 that I'm sure we can all agree on:
the five fundamentals:

• Biblical inspiration and the infallibility of scripture as a result of this
• Virgin birth of Jesus
• Belief that Christ's death was the atonement for sin
• Bodily resurrection of Jesus
• Historical reality of the miracles of Jesus

What are some things that aren't biblical and are only cultural that are considered fundamental beliefs?

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The Fundamentalism you are referring to was a reaction to the creeping liberal humanism coming into the Churches early in the 20th Century...
https://www.theopedia.com/the-fundamentals
I believe most all were correct. Today the term is confused with legalism or holy rollers swinging from chandleliers, picking up poisonous snakes...not even close to the original label. Basically, they took a literal view of Scripture unlike the loosey goosey theological liberals of today.

prism said:

Today the term is confused with legalism or holy rollers swinging from chandleliers, picking up poisonous snakes...not even close to the original label.

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People mock Fundamentalism because of either (a) ignorance or (b) animosity to the Bible. Satan hates Fundamentalism.

Willie T said:

I'm saying that there is absolute truth, but that our individual interpretations of what that truth is, will probably never be totally accurate.

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That's why...
1. We need the Holy Spirit to further enlighten us.
2. Scripture interprets Scripture (a built-in interpreter).
3. Both are needed for embracing Truth.

Enoch111 said:

People mock Fundamentalism because of either (a) ignorance or (b) animosity to the Bible. Satan hates Fundamentalism.

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Sad to say, so do many 'christians'. I remember back in the early days of the internet (circa 1995) the derogatory word was 'fundi', which caused many Christians to cower and retreat on the Christian IRC boards. All it was, was another name-calling tactic of the libs. Now, I wear the label with pride, warding off the cyber bullies. lol

Enoch111 said:

People mock Fundamentalism because of either (a) ignorance or (b) animosity to the Bible. Satan hates Fundamentalism.

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Keep telling yourself that. You might wind up believing it yourself.

teamventure said:

So Christians shouldn't be involved in politics?
And are you not pro Israel?

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I wouldn't say shouldn't. But if God calls you into a certain position, aka Daniel, them indeed run with it. But I would not think that politics should be a personal career choice.
As for being Pro Israel? Why? To what end?

You folk dont realise do you that when the government lays down guidelines condemning fundamentalism, and you think it means Islamic extremism, you forget who is in charge of this world's kingdoms... While God has overall sovereignty, the Prince of this world leads those who belong to this world to do his bidding. The Devil does not mind Islamic extremism but he has Christians who cleave to the basic fundamentals of faith because he knows that over those he has no power. Those laws that governments are laying down against extremism in religion do not exclude Christians who believe in scripture... In fact the devil inspired those laws to specifically include Christians.

Willie T said:

And with utilizing all that, we all STILL fall miserably short in being able to truly know what "truth" really is. (But, we can sure tell everyone else that THEIR interpretation [which is not OURS] is dead-wrong.)

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1 Kings 17:24 (KJV) And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.

John 17:17 (KJV) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

2 Corinthians 6:7 (KJV) By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

James 1:18 (KJV) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

It really isn't rocket science unless one is drunk on the world's relativity swill.

The operative principle of antichrist is to embrace the small gains. Why? Because it is the only effective way to gain usable global power virtually undetected. Incrementally, bit by bit, using every tactic and manoeuvre available which will ultimately translate into law for the purpose of gathering all under his umbrella resulting in the final assault on God and His Law.
Once this has been achieved, look out those people who are faithful to Gods Word.....the majority will call them fundamentalists....they enter through the narrow gate and walk a trail fraught with danger from those claiming the interest of humanity.

brakelite said:

As for being Pro Israel? Why? To what end?

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Because Israel must not be abandoned to its surrounding enemies. Not to mention the enmity of the European Union and the United Nations. The results of the Six Day War showed that God had not abandoned unbelieving Israel.

Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq massed against Israel in June, 1967 with the purpose of destroying it completely. Instead Israel turned the tables on all of them: "Israel seized the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, from Jordan and the Golan Heights from Syria. Israel's international standing greatly improved in the following years. Its victory humiliated Egypt, Jordan and Syria, leading Nasser to resign in shame...

teamventure said:

So Christians shouldn't be involved in politics?
And are you not pro Israel?

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I wholeheartedly respect the position of the Jew in the world and the history the Jewish people; but I think my friendly addition to this would that your questions are examples of exactly the assumptions made by many Fundamentalists in their wish to attribute to others their own preferences and politics. (I have lived in several countries; and over the decades would have had in theory had the opportunity - more or less - to acquire citizenship in three or maybe four nationalities and I am baffled how my personal faith somehow supposedly obliges me to be linked with particular political parties and personalities across several jurisdictions.)

Any 'politics' I might aspire to by the grace of God would be expressed by Acts 2.42, Hebrews 12.2, and Hebrews 13.14.

Enoch111 said:

Because Israel must not be abandoned to its surrounding enemies.

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Are you not equally responsible... If you take that line of thought... To every nation that is threatened by am enemy? Why is secular Israel any more worthy of protection than any other nation? How does loving our enemies fit into your ideal of selecting one nation to protect above all others? I see no real evidence of God protecting that which He had formerly abandoned than any other nation of this earth in the face of their enemies. Good is no respecter of persons but He is a respecter of nations? I have never seen any rhyme nor reason... Nor any biblical foundation to the a absorbing purpose of evangelicals toward Israel. The continuing profession that Israel as nation is still chosen of God for His purpose to my mind denies more scriptures in the NT than can be found in support of the idea.

teamventure said:

There used to be people who were pastors and elected officials at the same time.
I think liberalism has duped a lot of Christians to believe that church and state should be separate when that was never in the constitution.

God said that through Abraham's seed all the nations of the earth would be blessed and that he would bless those who bless them and curse those who curse them. It's as simple as that.

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The greatest and most devestating apostasy of all history came as a direct result of a bishop coveting assuming civil power. And the abuse and corruption that came with it, resulted in worse persecution that that perpetrated by pagan Rome

brakelite said:

The continuing profession that Israel as nation is still chosen of God for His purpose to my mind denies more scriptures in the NT than can be found in support of the idea.

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Take some time to seriously study Romans chapters 9-11. Then start at Genesis and work your way through Malachi. using Strong's Concordance for every reference to "Israel", "Jacob", "Zion" and "Jerusalem". I do not believe you have done such a study (which I have). Then organize all the Scriptures properly to get the full perspective. And just ignore all the commentaries.