Was Noah “saved by grace through faith”?
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Maybe both. But that boat would not have held everybody. It was over 100 years and all we know is that only 8 souls heeded to the warning and did what God said.
I personally believe that the instructions given to Noah were given in the way they were because God knew that the present world would not listen and obey. The point is....Noah was saved by grace but not by grace alone. He was saved by grace through faith in that he was obedient to the directions given for salvation. Heb 11:7
Waiting on him
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I have to believe that when Noah exited the ark there was a new heaven and a new earth (all things had been made new)
This is very interesting to me.
This is very interesting to me.
Grailhunter
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It is good to have your family saved, but no spiritual salvation in Old Testament. Maybe Noah needed to send Christ a message, "No need to come as our savior! Don't need ya, we got it covered!" Noah only had one place to go, Shoal. Of course there is that prophet that said there were many mansion built for them in Heaven......Oh wait there was no prophet that told the Israelites that. Maybe if Noah sacrificed enough goats and lambs, then maybe God would take him to heaven. No wait that does not work either.
Maybe Abraham went to heaven?
Genesis 25:8 "Abraham breathed his last and died in a ripe old age, an old man and satisfied with life; and he was gathered to his people."
I guess Abraham was not good enough...he went to Shoal. How about Ishmael, did he go to heaven
Genesis 25:17 "These are the years of the life of Ishmael, one hundred and thirty-seven years; and he breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his people."
Oh, I guess not.....Maybe Noah was the Messiah....no need for Christ?
Grailhunter
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Psalms 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:10-12
as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
Romans 3:10-12
as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
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Ephesians 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
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Yes...that is a powerful statement.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Luke 9:55-56 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. [56] For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. ...
Yes they are different. Noah was saved eternally already. He built the Ark as a result of his faith. Building the Ark did not determine if Noah was eternally saved.
God never instructed the world to build the Ark.
(Gen. 6:8) "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD,"
(Gen. 7:1) "...for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."
You know why Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD? Because he needed it. He was a man of faith. And so God saw him as righteous. Imputation.
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The same way. Salvation for Noah was “in the ark”. Salvation today is “in Christ”. 2 Tim 2:10
Noah had to have faith in God enough to do what he said. Today, God says that one must repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and that baptism places one “into Christ”. Rom 6:3,4; Gal 3:26,27
We are to have faith in God enough to do what he says. Most people don’t. Most people are just like in the days of Noah, they mock, ridicule and rail against anyone that would suggest that water has anything to do with your salvation. Which one are you?
No he didn’t but he did instruct the world to “believe and be baptized for salvation”. So are you going to mock and rail against this instruction are you going to believe and obey like the rest of the faithful?
Waiting on him
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No more floods a comin'. Only global and cosmic supernatural fire.
Sounds like the ramblings of one who is thoroughly confused. Are you still hunting grails, Grailhunter? You should have a chat with king Arthur.
"In the time of King Arthur the quest for the Holy Grail was the highest spiritual pursuit for a knight."
Grailhunter
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If you are going to talking junk about the OT Why not talk about Noah leasing the Queen Mary II, it would have given him a lot more room. Maybe the Apostles could have helped him. Have Christ fly in on a Boeing 747. Don't consider any kind of logic or reality...let your imagination loose!
I mock and rail at your attempt to make Noah's building of the Ark the reason he was eternally saved. I gave you the Scripture for my reason to mock and rail. Which you ignore...of course.
And, you make remarks now, but give no Scripture. Why? Are you lazy? Or is it because there is none?
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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Show me where in the scriptures Adam was exercising faith and therefore saved by grace. I see nothing in the scriptures that show Adam or Eve exercising faith. They both were unfaithful, if Adam had been a man of faith he wouldn't have eaten the forbidden fruit, don't you think. Instead it seems to me that Adam cared more for something else than exercising faith in The True God Jehovah.
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