When is it right for Christians to take a stand against evil?

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amadeus

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Do you see judgement coming on America as a whole? We've gotten pretty close to Sodom and Gomorrah.
I see it as too many have drifted too far from God. Yes, they could really repent, but I don't see it happening in the churches. There are a few people serving God but I suspect it is effectively a smaller group than the 10 for whom God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah. I don't of course mean smaller in actual numbers. How long can judgement be held back from the unrighteous people by righteousness? Too many simply don't care and/or don't believe God would do it. They think America is special somehow above everyone else. This is so of too many who claim to be Christian.

'Truth, justice and the American way' is as per Superman, NOT as per God.
 

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I read another horror story this morning about a man tortured in a restraint chair while cops laughed as he died. I can't understand that level of sickness:

WATCH: Cops Torture Mentally Ill Man in Restraint Chair for 2 Days, Laugh as He Dies in Front of Them

I tried to get my pastor and friend involved in contacting legislators over issues and they're disinterested. I asked the pastor at bible study and he said that's a copout. I'm seeing that some Christians believe that we're to do nothing - they have a fatalistic view that we're told things are going to get worse so they feel no need to take action.

Then there are others who believe that it is our duty to act.

Why do Christians feel so differently about this if we all have the Holy Spirit guiding us? Do you take action or not - and why or why not?

'And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth,
and it grieved Him at His heart.'

(Genesis 6:5)

'The face of the LORD is against them that do evil,
to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.'

(Psalms 34:16)

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing.”

Edmund Burke
 
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'But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

(Matthew 15:18)

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:
for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin:
and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.'

(James 1:13-15)

'Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!'

(Isaiah 5:20-23)
 
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I had this dream one time that I was following this cop who said he was taking me to teach me how to fight, and took me to this storage room area. But then I just tried to tell him everything that was wrong, so he got a notepad and just started to write everything down. I didn't learn to defend myself or fight at all, because I was too busy telling the cop everything that was happening.

So this is the lesson I learned from this:


-God cares about what bothers us and does listen to us.

-He has given us everything we need to battle against the enemy. We just have to know how to use what He has given us.

But


-God wants to give us the tools to defend ourselves and be active against the enemy. If we are busy all the time focusing our eyes on issues going on around us, we are not asking God to teach us how to battle these things. It takes a great deal of discernment, courage, and faith to battle against the dark spiritual forces of this world. Are we willing to stand and fight? Or are we going to let the enemy come while we are all asleep?

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The Church is "asleep in the Light"...Keith Green lyric. You are so correct as to how we need to learn how to use the weapons He has given us. And yes indeed! It sure does take a great deal of discernment and courage and faith to do this. I pray that we will all have a new and faith that is ALIVE, we all should be on our knees everyday in prayer...it is so powerful!
xo
 

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Well I am concerned at what is going on around me - this is a world we're leaving to the next generation and we have not left them a good one. I wish I had paid attention to politics earlier but I didn't. But now that I see the evil decisions being made I try to act - although if you have no political clout it seems you don't have a voice. That's why I wish more Christians weren't so passive. I emailed legislators and nary a one paid real attention. You get the form letters with empty promises and you know they and their cronies are going to do whatever they want. We currently have taxation without representation. I feel the most like Habakuk - and it does move me to pray and that's a good thing. But these last months my eyes have been opened and my spirit quickened that the whole world really does lie in the lap of the wicked one. It was similar to when I was spiritually reborn and the veil was lifted - I could see the truth - and now God has removed the veil off my mind of who and what is really going on in this world.

He showed me how it dovetails with Revelations. I don't know yet His purpose but He has a reason. I have a sensitive spirit and God knows that things trouble me - I can't stand to see an animal or person hurt and there is a lot of evil going on today. A bible study teacher told me I'm really close to the Spirit. We were driving through a city and I was reading the Book of Revelations to family in the car and all of a sudden I read a verse and I felt my spirit quicken within. Then we passed this huge, beautiful old church and I looked up at it and had such a sense of Holiness and closeness to God wash over me. It was beautiful - like a foretaste of Heaven. That doesn't happen too often but when it does it's really encouraging.
You have taken it too far. The world does NOT "lie in the lap of the wicked one." To say so, is to rob Christ of His victory--He has overcome the world. It is anti-Christ.

As for your reaction to the times, the feelings are not wrong, but the counsel of the Lord is this:

Revelation 22:11
"He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
 

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You're not concerned about things that are happening: Did you see this: Drag Queen Story Hour Invades The Church

I get Prophecy News updates - some of what they send is pretty strong.
That is correct: I do not like much of what is happening, but I am "not concerned."

Receive His peace...and "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
 

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That is correct: I do not like much of what is happening, but I am "not concerned."

Receive His peace...and "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
But, you would be all kinds of concerned if you were a person who lived their life to glory in finding yet another of those trashy things. ("Yes", some people do seem to live for little else.)
 
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no offense, just scanning, but imo a um useful hit and run here might be
"turn off the news" or maybe even pluck your right eye out

the world is a better place, right now, right this second, than at any time in past history, by any measure you care to name, SG. Please choose any measure you like, and lets see!

I don't think it is. When I was growing up I never heard any of the things going on now. Pastor after pastor says the same thing. They talk about it at bible study.
 

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I see it as too many have drifted too far from God. Yes, they could really repent, but I don't see it happening in the churches. There are a few people serving God but I suspect it is effectively a smaller group than the 10 for whom God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah. I don't of course mean smaller in actual numbers. How long can judgement be held back from the unrighteous people by righteousness? Too many simply don't care and/or don't believe God would do it. They think America is special somehow above everyone else. This is so of too many who claim to be Christian.

'Truth, justice and the American way' is as per Superman, NOT as per God.

I was reading that America is no longer a Christian nation. I see what goes on a lot around us and a lot of sports games/ practices are held on Sunday. There is no special accommodations made for those who attend church - it's as if everyone thinks that no one attends church and you're expected at practice and the games. No one has complained that I know of.
 

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'And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth,
and it grieved Him at His heart.'

(Genesis 6:5)

'The face of the LORD is against them that do evil,
to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.'

(Psalms 34:16)

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing.”

Edmund Burke


I am of the same belief as your quote by Burke. I'm proactive and get involved in changing things yet I see that some other Christians aren't of that belief. It's as if they aren't familiar with Scripture or are deaf to it.

James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
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25 Likewise, L)" data-cr="#cen-NKJV-30319L" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 

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You have taken it too far. The world does NOT "lie in the lap of the wicked one." To say so, is to rob Christ of His victory--He has .overcome the world. It is anti-Christ.

As for your reaction to the times, the feelings are not wrong, but the counsel of the Lord is this:

Revelation 22:11
"He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

I guess we're each entitled to our own viewpoints and our own interpretations of Scripture. I try to post things to get believers to speak out against the anti-Christ things going on.

I believe Scripture when I read it. I don't know how else this verse can be taken Scott:

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

You're denying Scripture.

Just curious how you interpret that verse?

It's Scriptural yet you're claiming the exact opposite of what's in the Bible.

You're claiming the whole world does not lie in wickedness. We aren't allowed to set ourselves and our views up above Scripture and that's what you're doing. That's really dangerous.

Maybe you were unaware that verse was in the Bible?

When we're spiritually regenerated the 'veil' is removed and we can begin to 'see' things. But as we learn more of the Bible and learn more about how our government really works our views evolve. I thought our government worked differently than it did - until I worked for a politician. Then my eyes were opened to just how dirty politics really are. Then police shot and killed my neighbor's unarmed grandson and they sued - a judge threw out their lawsuit. Now two little girls are growing up poor - yet when a cop is shot (equally as sad) their family is taken care of by taxpayers. I learned things I wished I hadn't of the corrupt things that went on. I had a corrupt but well-connected lawyer steal from my father's estate with the help of a court lawyer. I contacted everyone in the probate office and not one person would hold the corrupt court lawyer accountable. She still has her job. The meaning of that verse in John made sense. There were other things that opened my eyes. Thus my viewpoints were changed. I began to see just how evil things really were - and my earlier viewpoints about how things worked was replaced. I began to see the truth of that verse of just how widespread wickedness was.

Your experiences have been different than mine - I learned the truth of that verse in John up front and personal.

I think we have to be careful admonishing another believer Scott. We all have varying levels of biblical knowledge and it could be that God showed someone the truth of a verse - in Scripture - that you may not 1) know is in there 2) have seen the truth of.

Maybe at some point God will reveal the truth of that verse to you.

I have much to learn yet. The more I read the Word the more I realize how vast it is - it will probably take a lifetime for any of us to get through it.
 
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I don't think it is. When I was growing up I never heard any of the things going on now. Pastor after pastor says the same thing. They talk about it at bible study.
they have a vested interest in fear i think, which lets admit sells. Not saying that they are meaning to do that consciously, but they are after all firmly in the world, esp if they have a mortgage?

But as far as US goes i might agree anyway; we are an Empire in the Decadence stage now, and i guess this has to be overlaid on the Moraloty Index or whatever gauge one might use for "the world," iow there would surely be areas of Worse even in a general climate of Better maybe?

if youre old enough to recall the 50s-60s, you might visit or otherwise explore pretty much anywhere in the Far East, where the mood is completely diff from here, i have been calling it "ozzie and harriet time" lol, even though that was a bit before my time.

plus we have the Scripture about "dont be saying that the old days were better than today, this shows lack of wisdom" or whatever, paraphrased? While again i am inclined to agree, i note kids seem to be have quite the meh attitude about stuff that i would find disturbing, yeh?
 

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they have a vested interest in fear i think, which lets admit sells. Not saying that they are meaning to do that consciously, but they are after all firmly in the world, esp if they have a mortgage?

But as far as US goes i might agree anyway; we are an Empire in the Decadence stage now, and i guess this has to be overlaid on the Moraloty Index or whatever gauge one might use for "the world," iow there would surely be areas of Worse even in a general climate of Better maybe?

if youre old enough to recall the 50s-60s, you might visit or otherwise explore pretty much anywhere in the Far East, where the mood is completely diff from here, i have been calling it "ozzie and harriet time" lol, even though that was a bit before my time.

plus we have the Scripture about "dont be saying that the old days were better than today, this shows lack of wisdom" or whatever, paraphrased? While again i am inclined to agree, i note kids seem to be have quite the meh attitude about stuff that i would find disturbing, yeh?

I know about clickbait. If you listen to newscasters they sound like Rod Sterling - with that serious or hyped up tone. So yes - it does pay them to find sensationalized stories and hype them up. But on the other hand - we can't deny those things are going on either.

The decadence stage (a good analogy) IMO is coming to an end. Look at how the cost of insurance has spiked, how wages have stayed flat, and how manufacturing has been sent out of the country. I think we're entering a stage of want - a recession. I think Americans are going to become poorer and poorer. But as you said there were bad times earlier. But I never had my parents talk to me about strangers when I was younger. I used to walk home late at night from my friends houses. Today it's entirely different. They're fingerprinting kids in elementary school. Unless there's another reason for that, it doesn't bode well for society.
 
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Just as God allowed Israel to divorce their wives (but from the beginning it was not so) Matthew 19:8, God has also allowed the negative interpretations until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled.

Nonetheless, it is good to hold the standard of His righteousness. This you are right to do.

But do not concern yourself with the ebb and flow of good and evil (even that which is allowed), for Christ has already overcome the world.
Evil is always with us but Christians hold duty to act. We’re called soldiers
 

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You have taken it too far. The world does NOT "lie in the lap of the wicked one." To say so, is to rob Christ of His victory--He has overcome the world. It is anti-Christ.

As for your reaction to the times, the feelings are not wrong, but the counsel of the Lord is this:

Revelation 22:11
"He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
Thou knowest not scripture my good man. Read the book of John before you speak

and Scott you’re encouraging evil when you like Willies evil posts. When I see it it makes me ill. I call evil as I see it. You’re participating in Willies evil all because SG doesn’t like Trump. That’s wrong dude. I don’t know what kind of morals your church preaches but wrong is wrong. You’re blind dude. Sin blinds and you’re blind to the sin you involve yourself in.

I don’t know if I agree with SG about Trump but I’m not going to ‘like’ Willies trash talk.

Your morals need an overhaul. If nobody else has the cajones to tell you it’s gotta be me

there’s a scripture about giving approval when somebody does evil. Maybe somebody knows it

woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
 
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'And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth,
and it grieved Him at His heart.'

(Genesis 6:5)

'The face of the LORD is against them that do evil,
to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.'

(Psalms 34:16)

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing.”

Edmund Burke

Edmund was wiser in his day than the many today

Evil is prospering and where be Jesus people? Praying for Jesus to help or out spreading the Word? Standing against evil or waiting for Jesus to do it?

Much too much passiveness
 

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Awesome @Mayflower
The Church is "asleep in the Light"...Keith Green lyric. You are so correct as to how we need to learn how to use the weapons He has given us. And yes indeed! It sure does take a great deal of discernment and courage and faith to do this. I pray that we will all have a new and faith that is ALIVE, we all should be on our knees everyday in prayer...it is so powerful!
xo

Common sense AMEN. You gave to me a infusion of faith that I thank you for
 
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Unfortunately, some people seem to focus only on the negative they can ferret out of everything.
Dude you’re the one on this forum being mega negative
This is a honest question and I’m reading sensible posts ... then when I see your face I know it’s gonna be something bad. You know this is a CHRISTIAN forum? I think you got lost and wound up here on accident

No one else is saying it so I will - you majorly need to see someone professional like now
 
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But, you would be all kinds of concerned if you were a person who lived their life to glory in finding yet another of those trashy things. ("Yes", some people do seem to live for little else.)

and you live your life to speak trashy ...like what’s up with you? Did you get lost on your way to your hate forum? And Mr Scott likes your post?
You in the wrong forum boys.
Willie dogs steps of SG and follows picking and picking and picking... what’s wrong with you Willie? You got something for SG so you come on here to spread hate Really why don’t you start your own thread and talk trash on there? I mean nobody goes on your threads so you try to make yourself relevant by going on SG threads trashing her who actually post good topics ? I’m giving another shout to the admin. Something unholy going on they have to take action on
 
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