What God said to me about Abortion

Stan B · Oct 27, 2019

epostle said:
My "RCC cult" teaches me to respond to hate with love, patience and kindness. That puts burning coals on their heads. It's in Proverbs somewhere. That will be the day that I attain Christian perfection. Fat chance. But we have living models to emulate:

The only burning coals the Roman Catholic Church ever placed, were upon the heads of the millions of martyrs who died at the hands of this Roman Satanic cult, like their war of genocide against Christians, which includes the millions murdered by this hideous cult, includes the martyrs of the Inquisition, the wars of genocide against all Christians in France, the Albigenses, Waldenses and the Huguenots. Judging by their fruits, they are obviously servants of Allah!

Stan B · Oct 27, 2019

epostle said:

Amen!!

Stan B · Oct 27, 2019

epostle said:

Your Roman Catholic Hallowe'en costumes remind me of John Wycliffe, known for translating the Bible into English, whom Romanists hunted down for years but couldn't catch him. Their hatred for Wycliffe and the Bible was SO intense, that Romanist Ghouls dug his body up from the graveyard 30 years after he died, and burned his remains at the stake. Your pagan goddess must be SO proud of her demonic little servants! Duh!

Enoch111 · Oct 27, 2019

Stan B said:
Maybe your Bible doesn't but my Bible mentions it: "If a man begets a hundred sons and lives many years so that the days of his years are many, if his soul is not filled with good and also that he have no burial; I say that an aborted birth is better than he." Ecclesiastes 6:3

You have deliberately MISTRANSLATED, MISINTERPRETED, AND MISAPPLIED this Scripture. That is very serious.

Here is how this verse reads in the King James Bible (and clarified in the ESV), and the meaning of untimely is given below.

King James Bible
If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say,that an untimely birth* is better than he.

English Standard Version
If a man fathers a hundred children and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul is not satisfied with life’s good things, and he also has no burial, I say that a stillborn child* is better off than he. *הַנָּֽפֶל׃ han-nā-p̄el = a stillborn child

A stillborn child is a miscarriage, and a miscarriage is NOT a deliberate abortion (which is the murder of the fetus). God hates murder (which is a crime by any standard) and God hates the sacrifices of little children as a means of birth control.

Stan B · Oct 27, 2019

Enoch111 said:
You have deliberately MISTRANSLATED, MISINTERPRETED, AND MISAPPLIED this Scripture. That is very serious.

Here is how this verse reads in the King James Bible (and clarified in the ESV), and the meaning of untimely is given below.

King James Bible
If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say,that an untimely birth* is better than he.

English Standard Version
If a man fathers a hundred children and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul is not satisfied with life’s good things, and he also has no burial, I say that a stillborn child* is better off than he. *הַנָּֽפֶל׃ han-nā-p̄el = a stillborn child

A stillborn child is a miscarriage, and a miscarriage is NOT a deliberate abortion (which is the murder of the fetus). God hates murder (which is a crime by any standard) and God hates the sacrifices of little children as a means of birth control.

I have not MISTRANSLATED, MISINTERPRETED, AND MISAPPLIED this Scripture.
I don't know where you obtained that definition, but I got mine not only from a Biblical translation, but from Strong's concordance, which many regard as a reliable source.

According to Strong's Hebrew 5309הַנָּֽפֶל׃ (han·nā·p̄el) Something fallen, an abortion

I have not misinterpreted anything. I have just quoted a clear simple passage of Scripture that needs no interpretation, and the correctness of the translation is in complete agreement with Strongs!

BreadOfLife · Oct 28, 2019

Stan B said:
Epostle says >> "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb"

Whereas going by the Greek: "When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the fetus leaped in her womb"

Strongs 1025
an unborn child, embryo, fetus

The fact that the fetus "leaped" doesn't indicate anything significant. That's just a normal part of fetal development. In later months, fetuses kick about 30 times per hour. In this instance, the fetus was merely startled, reacting to the loud and boisterous sound of Mary greeting Elizabeth. Like is says in the Bible the fetus leaped "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears".

So the fetus was merely reacted from being startled by a loud noise. And I can clearly envison the loud exhuberant meeting between Mary and Elizabeth. It is reasonalble to believe that Mary and her cousin did not see each other that often, since the arduous trip between their two homes was 112 km miles, and they did not have Uber in those days. And for a pregnant 13 year old girl like Mary, that must have been a really challenging trip.

In the original language, an embryo or fetus has no personhood until it is born. This is consistent with ancient Jewish law, wherein a fetus is just a part of the mother's body until it is born.

More drivel . . .

Ummmmm, actually – in your usual dishonesty, you cherry-picked Elizabeth’s words to make your weak, impotent point. You turned the JOYFUL movement of John the Baptist in her womb into a simple, coincidental fetal movement. HOWEVER – this is NOT what the text says. It says:

Luke 1:44
For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb LEAPED FOR JOY.

He leaped for JOY. Joy is an emotion that can only be felt by a full person.

If you’re going to use Scripture to try to debunk the fact that a baby is a human being in the womb – then you must accept the fact that Elizabeth was speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit when she made this remark. You can’t have it BOTH ways . . .

Earlier – in that SAME chapter – the Angel Gabriel told Zecharaiah about the impending birth of his son John. He said:

Luke 1:15
He will drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the holy Spirit EVEN FROM HIS MOTHER’S WOMB,

From his mother's womb, he was FILLED with the Holy Spirit and experienced JOY.

Once again – if you’re going to use Scripture to try prove your position – then you MUST accept the Authority of Scripture that now debunks DEBUNKS your position.

You LOSE . . .

BreadOfLife · Oct 28, 2019

Stan B said:
As believing Catholics, we know that behind the murder of unborn children is the superhuman mind and malevolent will of Satan and his minions.

I think you meant to say Roman Catholics, rather than Catholics. There is an eternity of difference between the two, and I am not remotely interested in the Romanist cult that rejects much of Scripture, and gets much of their scripture from a pagan goddess, called Mary Queen of Heaven revealed by the Prophet Jeremiah. I am ultra familiar with the Marian Movement of Priests who get messages from her spirit, that you can only get to Heaven through her. There are over 60,000 priests who subscribe to this pagan cult.

In your abject ignorance – you don’t even understand what “Roman” Catholic means.
Allow me to educate you as I have educated some of your fellow ignorant anti-Catholics . . .

“Roman” or Latin simply refers to the Liturgical Rite – of which there are TEWNTY that comprise the Catholic Church. They are ALL in FULL communion with the Bishop of Rome – the Pope. Some of them include the Byzantine, the Melkite, Maronite, Coptic, Alexandrian, etc. Liturgical rits are largely ethnically and culturally different – nut not doctrinally.

There is NO such Church as “The Roman Catholic Church”, Einstein.

The official name of the Catholic Church is . . . “The Catholic Church.”

If you’re going to debate about the Catholic Church -= at least TRY to understand what you’re talking about.
Now, go – and be ignorant no more . . .

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 29, 2019

Stan B said:
I wonder what god talking to you?? Doesn't at all sound like the God of the Bible!

First of all no one aborts a child, it is a fetus.

And if God was at all against abortion, He would have mentioned it in Scripture.

The early christians took a firm stand against abortions. The Historian Will Durant said: “Abortion and infanticide, which were decimating pagan society, were forbidden to Christians as the equivalents of murder.” So while family limitation became an outstanding social phenomenon of both the Greek and the Roman eras, the Christian community stood firmly on a strict moral code that built respect for the sanctity of life. As in ancient Israel, children were a mark of the Creator’s blessing. The psalmist states: “Look! Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah; the fruitage of the belly is a reward.”—Psalm 127:3.

It is evident from God’s Word, the Bible, that Jehovah, “the source of life,” recognizes the right to life of the unborn child. How? First, the Bible shows that he deems the unborn to be more than just a glob of tissue. God’s interest in his marvelous creative arrangement is described by the psalmist this way: “You [Jehovah] kept me screened off in the belly of my mother. . . . Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing.”—Psalm 36:9; 139:13-16.

Further, God calls to account the individual who accidentally interferes with the natural course of events involving an unborn child. Notice that the Mosaic Law put a heavy responsibility on such ones, stating: “If men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow; he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life.”—Exodus 21:22, 23, American Standard Version.

There are however so many and varied views on what Exodus 21:22,23 says, it clearly would be wise to go back to the original Hebrew to see what it does and does not say.

Exodus 21:22, 23 is in a part of the Mosaic law dealing with compensation for injuries. As the next verses show, the basic principle was “eye for eye, tooth for tooth.” But what was to be done if a pregnant woman was injured?

Actually, there could be a number of outcomes of the injury. Consider the woman first. She might be hurt, even crippled, but not fatally. Or the damage might have caused her death. Consider next the developing child or children in her womb. If her pregnancy was quite advanced, the blow or shock might bring on early labor so that she prematurely delivered a live baby. Or, the hurt to the mother might cause an abortion, a destruction of the life developing in her womb. Plainly, what the Law said about damage to a pregnant woman had to cover a range of possibilities.

What exactly did the Law say? We here present the literal rendering in the Hebrew-English interlinear by Dr. G. R. Berry (read from right to left):

וְכִי־יִנָּצוּ אֲנָשִׁים וְנָגְפוּ

strike they and ,men contend when And

אִשָּׁה הָרָה 22 וְיָצְאוּ יְלָדֶיהָ

,child her forth goes and ,1pregnant 2woman a

וְלאֹ יִהְיֶה אָסוֹן עָנוֹשׁ יֵעָנֵשׁ

,fined be shall he surely ;injury is not and

כַּאֲשֶׁר יָשִׁית עָלָיו בַּעַל

of husband the him upon put may as

הָאִשָּׁה וְנָתַן בִּפְלִלִים ‏׃

.judges the with give shall he and ,woman the

וְאִם־אָסוֹן יִהְיֶה וְנָתַתָּה נֶפֶשׁ

23 soul give shalt thou (and) ,is injury if And

תַּחַת נָפֶשׁ ‏׃

,soul for

The Hebrew word here rendered “injury” (“harm,” Revised Standard Version; “mischief,” Authorized Version) is asón.
According to the lexicon by William L. Holladay, asón means “mortal accident.” This is borne out by the usage of asón in its three other occurrences in the Bible. (Gen. 42:4, 38; 44:29) Thus, the rendering “fatal accident” in the New World Translation enables one more accurately to understand what the Law here said.

But then the question arises, To whom does the expression “fatal accident” apply? Is it the child, the mother or either of them? Some translations present an interpretation of the matter. For instance, The Jerusalem Bible reads: “If, when men come to blows, they hurt a woman who is pregnant and she suffers a miscarriage, though she does not die of it, the man responsible must pay the compensation demanded of him, . . . But should she die, you shall give life for life.” (Ex. 21:22, 23, italics added) This translation clearly shows that a fatal accident is at issue, but the inserted interpretive “she” leaves the impression that if the blow caused the woman to abort but she lived, then merely a fine was imposed. However, is that what the Hebrew text really says?

The aforementioned interlinear reading reveals that the Hebrew does not limit the application of “injury” (fatal accident) to just the mother. Thus, the respected commentary by C. F. Keil and F. Delitzsch says that a fine was sufficient only when “no injury [fatal accident] was done either to the woman or the child that was born.” This commentary shows that if the Law meant that, just as long as the mother lived, a simple fine would cover any damage the Hebrew text would have added lah, which means “to her.” The verse would thus have said, ‘When men contend and they strike a pregnant woman and her child goes forth and no injury [fatal accident] is done to her, a fine must be paid.’ Yet, these commentators conclude: “The omission of lah, also, apparently renders it impracticable to refer the words to [an] injury done to the woman alone.

Consequently, a fine was imposed when the damage caused the child to be born alive prematurely, with no fatal results to either mother or child. If, though, the blow took the life of either the mother or her child in the womb, the Law required “soul for soul.”

This harmonizes with other Bible passages that show that Jehovah God does not view a living human embryo or fetus as a mere piece of tissue in a woman’s womb. (Ps. 139:13-16) Bearing that out, Jehovah said to the prophet Jeremiah: “Before I was forming you in the belly I knew you, and before you proceeded to come forth from the womb I sanctified you.” (Jer. 1:5) Also, the stipulated “soul for soul” in the case of a man who caused the death of a woman or caused her to abort, would be consistent with the Bible’s overall teaching of respect for life and its opposition to manslaughter.—Gen. 9:6; Num. 35:30, 31; Rev. 21:8

Now if Jehovah views an accidental interference with the unborn child to be a matter of such serious consequence, how much greater accountability would there be with deliberate interference, as in the case of abortion! Also, since God gave no limitations as to the age of the unborn in his law expressed at Exodus chapter 21, arguments based on age become moot.

Stan B · Oct 30, 2019

BARNEY BRIGHT >>The early christians took a firm stand against abortions.

Early Christians took no such stand!! Supply your source for such nonsense!!

In all of the Early church writers, only Barnabas wrote "Thou shalt not destroy the conception of thy womb, for kill it after it has been born" Having added to Scripture, the writings of Scripture were rejected as part of the Cannon of Scripture

BARNEY BRIGHT >> The Historian Will Durant said: “Abortion and infanticide . . .

Who cares what Will Durant says, when our source is Scripture??

BARNEY BRIGHT >>Further, God calls to account the individual who accidentally interferes with the natural course of events involving an unborn child. Notice that the Mosaic Law put a heavy responsibility on such ones, stating: “If men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow; he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life.”—Exodus 21:22, 23, American Standard Version.

No big deal! If a mere fetus is aborted, the person responsible should merely pay a fine. Obviously, a mere abortion did not attract the life-for-life law.

BARNEY BRIGHT >>This harmonizes with other Bible passages that show that Jehovah God does not view a living human embryo or fetus as a mere piece of tissue in a woman’s womb. (Ps. 139:13-16) Bearing that out, Jehovah said to the prophet Jeremiah: “Before I was forming you in the belly I knew you, and before you proceeded to come forth from the womb I sanctified you.” (Jer. 1:5) Also, the stipulated “soul for soul” in the case of a man who caused the death of a woman or caused her to abort, would be consistent with the Bible’s overall teaching of respect for life and its opposition to manslaughter.—Gen. 9:6; Num. 35:30, 31; Rev. 21:8

A whole lot of verbage, but where in the Bible does it simply say "Thou shalt not have an abortion!" ??

BreadOfLife · Oct 31, 2019

Stan B said:
BARNEY BRIGHT >>The early christians took a firm stand against abortions.

Early Christians took no such stand!! Supply your source for such nonsense!!

In all of the Early church writers, only Barnabas wrote "Thou shalt not destroy the conception of thy womb, for kill it after it has been born" Having added to Scripture, the writings of Scripture were rejected as part of the Cannon of Scripture

BARNEY BRIGHT >> The Historian Will Durant said: “Abortion and infanticide . . .

Who cares what Will Durant says, when our source is Scripture??

BARNEY BRIGHT >>Further, God calls to account the individual who accidentally interferes with the natural course of events involving an unborn child. Notice that the Mosaic Law put a heavy responsibility on such ones, stating: “If men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow; he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life.”—Exodus 21:22, 23, American Standard Version.

No big deal! If a mere fetus is aborted, the person responsible should merely pay a fine. Obviously, a mere abortion did not attract the life-for-life law.

BARNEY BRIGHT >>This harmonizes with other Bible passages that show that Jehovah God does not view a living human embryo or fetus as a mere piece of tissue in a woman’s womb. (Ps. 139:13-16) Bearing that out, Jehovah said to the prophet Jeremiah: “Before I was forming you in the belly I knew you, and before you proceeded to come forth from the womb I sanctified you.” (Jer. 1:5) Also, the stipulated “soul for soul” in the case of a man who caused the death of a woman or caused her to abort, would be consistent with the Bible’s overall teaching of respect for life and its opposition to manslaughter.—Gen. 9:6; Num. 35:30, 31; Rev. 21:8

A whole lot of verbage, but where in the Bible does it simply say "Thou shalt not have an abortion!" ??

That’s an idiotic supposition.

Where is the Bible does it say, “Thou shalt not put rat poison in your boss’s coffee so as to send him to the emergency room”?

Where does it say, “Thou shalt not kill your neighbor’s dog”?

If you are expecting the Bible to give you every minute detail about what you should or shouldn’t do – then you’re not bright enough to read the Bible.

Stan B · Oct 31, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
That’s an idiotic supposition.

Where is the Bible does it say, “Thou shalt not put rat poison in your boss’s coffee so as to send him to the emergency room”?

Where does it say, “Thou shalt not kill your neighbor’s dog”?

If you are expecting the Bible to give you every minute detail about what you should or shouldn’t do – then you’re not bright enough to read the Bible.

It is found in Mark 12:31. ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

BreadOfLife · Oct 31, 2019

Stan B said:
It is found in Mark 12:31. ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

Then that's also where you find the prohibition on abortion, Einstein. . .

Stan B · Oct 31, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Then that's also where you find the prohibition on abortion, Einstein. . .

A fetus is no more my neighbour than a hamburger.

BreadOfLife · Oct 31, 2019

Stan B said:
A fetus is no more my neighbour than a hamburger.

A hamburger can never grow up to love or hate you or become your grandchild.

It can never feel pain, whereas, an unborn child CAN.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 31, 2019

Stan B.H said: Will Durant said: “Abortion and infanticide . . .
Who cares what Will Durant says, when our source is Scripture??[/QUOTE\]

Such disrespectful statements could be said concerning you. If you don't want people to make disrespectful statements about you then you shouldn't make such disrespectful statements about others. Will Durant is a human being who's beliefs matters just as your and my belief's matter. He had no reason to lie about what he said and he was a respected historian.

Stan B said regarding Exodus 21:22,23:
No big deal! If a mere fetus is aborted, the person responsible should merely pay a fine. Obviously, a mere abortion did not attract the life-for-life law.[/QUOTE\]

Then you didn't read Exodus 21:22,23 clearly. It says that if a pregnant woman is harmed by a another person but no fatal accident occurs then that person has to pay a fine whatever the husband of the pregnant woman deems just and it has to be paid through the judges, but if a fatal accident occurs to mother or unborn child then the punishment is life for life.

But let's consider what you said concerning a fetus. You're saying that if a mere fetus is aborted it's, "no big deal". So you believe that human life should be looked upon as that insignificant do you? The True God doesn't think human life to be that ingnificant as you do, but obviously you think God to be wrong, is that it? You see people such as yourself can argue all you want but what is growing in the womb of the woman is human life, it's not a monkey, or dog, or cat etc. You and others can think human life is insignificant as you do but don't think God thinks like you. God cares more about human life than that.

What Stan B said about what I said concerning Psalms 139:13-16; Jeremiah 1:5; Numbers 35:30,31:

A whole lot of verbage, but where in the Bible does it simply say "Thou shalt not have an abortion!" ??[/QUOTE\]

You're showing me that what God said in the scriptures of Psalms 139:13-16 and Jeremiah 1:5 and Numbers 35:30, 31 is just a lot of
verbage to you. Doesn't Psalms 139:13-16 show that a person could suddenly be enshrouded in total darkness as if swallowed up or seized by it. Nevertheless, as far as Jehovah is concerned, the individual is as visible as if standing in the bright light of day.
Before the various parts of his body became distinct in the womb, David’s appearance was already known to God. This is so because the development of the embryo followed a precise pattern as if obeying the instructions set forth in a book. In other words God looked at him as a person, not as something insignificant. Life is important to God. We can see from the scriptures that human life is important to God after all God sent his son to die for humanity so that humanity wouldn't be lost but instead saved. Not just for the humans who lived during the time Jesus was on Earth but for all unborn humans of the future.

Stan B · Nov 1, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
A hamburger can never grow up to love or hate you or become your grandchild.

It can never feel pain, whereas, an unborn child CAN.

A fetus, a blob of unorganized flesh, is not a living being, nor ever will be, until
God breathes into it the breath of life, in essence installing the spirit of an individual into a fetus as it emerges from the womb.

Stan B · Nov 1, 2019

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Stan B.H said: Will Durant said: “Abortion and infanticide . . .
Who cares what Will Durant says, when our source is Scripture??[/QUOTE\]

BB>>Such disrespectful statements could be said concerning you. If you don't want people to make disrespectful statements about you then you shouldn't make such disrespectful statements about others. Will Durant is a human being who's beliefs matters just as your and my belief's matter. He had no reason to lie about what he said and he was a respected historian.

I am not at all interested in the Gospel According to Will Durant!!

>>Stan B said regarding Exodus 21:22,23:
No big deal! If a mere fetus is aborted, the person responsible should merely pay a fine. Obviously, a mere abortion did not attract the life-for-life law.

Then you didn't read Exodus 21:22,23 clearly. It says that if a pregnant woman is harmed by a another person but no fatal accident occurs then that person has to pay a fine whatever the husband of the pregnant woman deems just and it has to be paid through the judges, but if a fatal accident occurs to mother or unborn child then the punishment is life for life.

But let's consider what you said concerning a fetus. You're saying that if a mere fetus is aborted it's, "no big deal". So you believe that human life should be looked upon as that insignificant do you? The True God doesn't think human life to be that ingnificant as you do, but obviously you think God to be wrong, is that it? You see people such as yourself can argue all you want but what is growing in the womb of the woman is human life, it's not a monkey, or dog, or cat etc. You and others can think human life is insignificant as you do but don't think God thinks like you. God cares more about human life than that.

I am quite familiar with the passage, and the termination of a fetus is merely a minor infraction.

>>Before the various parts of his body became distinct in the womb, David’s appearance was already known to God. This is so because the development of the embryo followed a precise pattern as if obeying the instructions set forth in a book.

Yeh, He knew Jeremiah before he was fashioned in the womb. In fact, He knew everything about any of us before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4

He knew who would be become living beings, and he knew who would be aborted before they became living beings. Some abortions are performed by man, and others by God, called spontaneous abortions or miscarriages. No big deal. God knew there would be lots of miscarriages and abortions, but He didn't figure it was significant enough to mention them in Scripture.

Stan B · Nov 1, 2019

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Stan B.H said: Will Durant said: “Abortion and infanticide . . .
Who cares what Will Durant says, when our source is Scripture??[/QUOTE\]

Such disrespectful statements could be said concerning you. If you don't want people to make disrespectful statements about you then you shouldn't make such disrespectful statements about others. Will Durant is a human being who's beliefs matters just as your and my belief's matter. He had no reason to lie about what he said and he was a respected historian.

Stan B said regarding Exodus 21:22,23:
No big deal! If a mere fetus is aborted, the person responsible should merely pay a fine. Obviously, a mere abortion did not attract the life-for-life law.[/QUOTE\]

Then you didn't read Exodus 21:22,23 clearly. It says that if a pregnant woman is harmed by a another person but no fatal accident occurs then that person has to pay a fine whatever the husband of the pregnant woman deems just and it has to be paid through the judges, but if a fatal accident occurs to mother or unborn child then the punishment is life for life.

But let's consider what you said concerning a fetus. You're saying that if a mere fetus is aborted it's, "no big deal". So you believe that human life should be looked upon as that insignificant do you? The True God doesn't think human life to be that ingnificant as you do, but obviously you think God to be wrong, is that it? You see people such as yourself can argue all you want but what is growing in the womb of the woman is human life, it's not a monkey, or dog, or cat etc. You and others can think human life is insignificant as you do but don't think God thinks like you. God cares more about human life than that.

What Stan B said about what I said concerning Psalms 139:13-16; Jeremiah 1:5; Numbers 35:30,31:

A whole lot of verbage, but where in the Bible does it simply say "Thou shalt not have an abortion!" ??[/QUOTE\]

You're showing me that what God said in the scriptures of Psalms 139:13-16 and Jeremiah 1:5 and Numbers 35:30, 31 is just a lot of
verbage to you. Doesn't Psalms 139:13-16 show that a person could suddenly be enshrouded in total darkness as if swallowed up or seized by it. Nevertheless, as far as Jehovah is concerned, the individual is as visible as if standing in the bright light of day.
Before the various parts of his body became distinct in the womb, David’s appearance was already known to God. This is so because the development of the embryo followed a precise pattern as if obeying the instructions set forth in a book. In other words God looked at him as a person, not as something insignificant. Life is important to God. We can see from the scriptures that human life is important to God after all God sent his son to die for humanity so that humanity wouldn't be lost but instead saved. Not just for the humans who lived during the time Jesus was on Earth but for all unborn humans of the future.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Nov 1, 2019

Stan B said:
A fetus, a blob of unorganized flesh, is not a living being, nor ever will be, until
God breathes into it the breath of life, in essence installing the spirit of an individual into a fetus as it emerges from the womb.

The only time the breath of life was breathed into man was at creation. I've found no scripture that supports that God breathes the breath of life or as you say, installs the spirit of an individual into a fetus as it emerges from the womb. Show me a scripture that says that is what's happening at birth. The scriptures are showing me that we are souls not that we have souls and that the animals are souls as we are. The scriptures show that the spirit that's in man is the same spirit that's in animals so in death man has no superiority over the animals. Just as animals die so does man. I believe the only chance the man has is if God remembers him and resurrects him in the resurrection. So no I don't believe God breathes a spirit of an individual in the fetus as it emerges from the womb.

stunnedbygrace · Nov 1, 2019

Stan B said:
I can help you out on that: "If men strive [engage in a fight], and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay a fine as the judges determine. Exodus 21:22

Sort of like getting a parking ticket.

.The way I remember my reading of it was that, yes, if no mischief (death of the child) occurred, then yes, there would be a fine. But if mischief followed ( there would be death to the men).

The law deals with men unintentionally causing an abortion.

If God would be so hard on the unintentional causing of an aborted fetus, I sure don't think He then is okay with an intentional causing of one!

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