Rapture Day (Catching up of Believers) is very Near!!

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I wish you all a very Perry, if He tarry, Merry Christmas.
 

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As for anyone being 'raptured to heaven'; Jesus prayed to the Father that He NOT remove His people from the world, but to keep them from the evil one; John 17:15, just as we pray in the Lord's prayer....deliver us from evil.....
And to make out this only applied to the disciples, is a very bad and quite wrong assertion as Jesus goes on to say: It is not for these alone [the disciples] that I pray, but for all who through their words [and deeds] put their faith in Me. John 17:20

The 'rapture to heaven' theory is a false teaching, spread by the 'wolves in the flock'. They will be severely punished. James 3:1
 
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Rapture Day?

I always figured that the Rapture/Jesus' Return would happen in conjunction with a Rosh Hashanah [Feast of Trumpets],* most likely on a Year of Jubilee.** IIUC, the dates for the years of Jubilee are lost.

*That connection was made during Paul's time.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven
  • with a shout,
  • with the voice of an archangel, and
  • with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 NKJV

**"Jubilee" means "trumpet-blast."
 

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As for anyone being 'raptured to heaven'; Jesus prayed to the Father that He NOT remove His people from the world, but to keep them from the evil one; John 17:15, just as we pray in the Lord's prayer....deliver us from evil.....
And to make out this only applied to the disciples, is a very bad and quite wrong assertion as Jesus goes on to say: It is not for these alone [the disciples] that I pray, but for all who through their words [and deeds] put their faith in Me. John 17:20

The 'rapture to heaven' theory is a false teaching, spread by the 'wolves in the flock'. They will be severely punished. James 3:1

'Severely punished'?
You know...I don't subscribe to the Pre-trib Rapture theory either. I think its a mistaken reading of scripture. However, every. single. person. I know who holds that view is still a born again believer who loves Jesus Christ. Their fruit is obvious in, oh...so many ways.
So, regardless of mistakes made or held, the bible still teaches that saved people receive only rewards in heaven. Punishment was taken by Christ and him alone. That is the gospel.
 

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Rapture Day?

I always figured that the Rapture/Jesus' Return would happen in conjunction with a Rosh Hashanah [Feast of Trumpets],* most likely on a Year of Jubilee.** IIUC, the dates for the years of Jubilee are lost.

*That connection was made during Paul's time.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven
  • with a shout,
  • with the voice of an archangel, and
  • with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 NKJV

**"Jubilee" means "trumpet-blast."
I can see how your trumpet player in the media section, that you uploaded, is rather relevant to your meditations here. :)
 
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'Severely punished'?
You know...I don't subscribe to the Pre-trib Rapture theory either. I think its a mistaken reading of scripture. However, every. single. person. I know who holds that view is still a born again believer who loves Jesus Christ. Their fruit is obvious in, oh...so many ways.
So, regardless of mistakes made or held, the bible still teaches that saved people receive only rewards in heaven. Punishment was taken by Christ and him alone. That is the gospel.
Glad to hear that you don't believe in a 'rapture to heaven'.
James 3:1 says; those who teach will be more severely Judged. But many other verses tell of God's punishment for misleading the flock. Ezekiel 34:17-22, 2 Peter 2:1-3

I do agree that 'rapture' belief isn't a salvation issue, but those who do; contradict Bible teaching as I point out in #7.
Sadly for those who grip onto that false theory, their faith will be tested too much for many and they will renounce God for not 'rapturing' them.
Also, when the rewards are given out; on earth, after Jesus Returns; Matthew 16:27, those who have carefully studied, understood and prepared for the prophetic fullfilment, will be rewarded, while those who have believed fables, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, will be asked why they believed such unscriptural nonsense.
 
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Glad to hear that you don't believe in a 'rapture to heaven'.
James 3:1 says; those who teach will be more severely Judged. But many other verses tell of God's punishment for misleading the flock. Ezekiel 34:17-22, 2 Peter 2:1-3

I do agree that 'rapture' belief isn't a salvation issue, but those who do; contradict Bible teaching as I point out in #7.
Sadly for those who grip onto that false theory, their faith will be tested too much for many and they will renounce God for not 'rapturing' them.
Also, when the rewards are given out; on earth, after Jesus Returns; Matthew 16:27, those who have carefully studied, understood and prepared for the prophetic fullfilment, will be rewarded, while those who have believed fables, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, will be asked why they believed such unscriptural nonsense.
Hi Keraz, what is your opinion concerning the 'snatching up' at the Last Trumpet? I am sure you have shared your views on it already . But for someone like me not familiar with them would you be kind enough to share here? Thanks.
 

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Hi Keraz, what is your opinion concerning the 'snatching up' at the Last Trumpet? I am sure you have shared your views on it already . But for someone like me not familiar with them would you be kind enough to share here? Thanks.
I guess you mean the prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, which is all about what will happen at the final Judgment of Revelation 20:11-15. After the Millennium, when the actual Last trumpet sounds and Death will be no more.
And 1 Thess 4:17, which tells how Jesus will gather His people to Him when He Returns. As Matthew 24:30-31 says. Just a transportation from one place on earth to another.
 

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I guess you mean the prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, which is all about what will happen at the final Judgment of Revelation 20:11-15. After the Millennium, when the actual Last trumpet sounds and Death will be no more.
And 1 Thess 4:17, which tells how Jesus will gather His people to Him when He Returns. As Matthew 24:30-31 says. Just a transportation from one place on earth to another.
Hmm....and when is the Millennium , in your opinion?
 

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Keraz, I thought the snatching up was at the end of the tribulation? Are you saying the Millennium is the millennial reign? If so , are you saying you believe they are at the same time? I believe the 1000 year reign is for the first resurrection.

But I know there is an undisclosed time coming that will shorten the tribulation events within the middle of " Those days will be shortened for the sake of the Elect " if they were not no one would survive. It will occur after the sixth seal-the shortening or pause. Then scripture indicates the third Woe comes quickly. That is relative of course concerning God's perspective.

The second Woe is brought about at the death and resurrection of the Two Witnesses. At which time those who survive in Ethiopia will bring gifts to those on Zion and those of Zion =144,000 of Rev.14 and 7. The Lord will be present on His holy mountain IN HIS ELECT. This is the event known as the Indignation of the Lord or the Wrath of the Lamb. And the birds will feast on the bodies of the slain for months. Ethiopia will bring what they have been blessed to preserve, all the scriptures. Those who have gone into the earth have the Mark of the Beast and are as Nephilim. The mark of the beast is a fallen angel and animal marker that will be attached to the Carbon 12 of the human DNA.

666 the mark of the beast? Carbon 12 which is what makes up an atom is made up 6 protons, 6electrons, 6neutrons

The mark of the beast = number of a man ......what science will produce through fallen angel knowledge will attach to

the 6protons, 6electrons,and 6neutrons which make up the carbon atoms of Man’s DNA. This will be the mark of the beast,

in the flesh ,this will be injected under the skin and will be a Mark in the flesh= will enter the DNA code. This will make

Man no longer man, but a beast. not simply clay the earth but something other will be mixed in which does not belong.

As we know Christ was
flesh not that he was flesh first....... but that by Spirit He became flesh through Incarnation, He had only one human parent, therefore only had 23 chromosomes...... man conceived through two parents has sets from each parent. That is why the image of the beast is the image of a man. Man's DNA consist of atoms and some other stuff, atoms are carbon as I said, which has 6 protons,6electrons, and 6neutrons. Christ's DNA would not have a father seed, like typical
man. He would have had Spirit attached to the carbon of His DNA making Him Divine . The Man of Sin is conceived by natural conception and will have beast seed attached to his Carbon atoms6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, this will make him
a Nephilim offspring, not capable of receiving the Holy Spirit. All beast system participants will inject a false mark made up of animal markers (this is demon knowledge), with the false hope of long life. "In those days men will seek death but it will flee from them" .
It can be done through carbon atoms. Carbon is a bond or adhesive of DNA
This false hope will get people to receive it. The image of the beast is the Image of the Coat of Arms of the Family from which the
beast gave his own power , authority and throne to. They will administer to man the mark to the adhesive- carbon that will able this mark to infiltrate mans DNA.
I have not yet disclosed the family of the lineage which the Man of Sin who has not been revealed yet , will come .He will be revealed in face and name ......once satan is cast out from before
the gates of heaven Rev12:12. During great stress and calamity he will be revealed. Michael the Arch Angel is at present re-
straining his revealing. As soon as the restrainer is removed he will be revealed. As I said , the mark given to man will infiltrate man's

DNA and attach to the carbon atoms and form a new DNA MARK. This will ren-
der man ,not man- but like a beast it is done through the fallen angels influence. "as in the days of Noah so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man."

Satan has been trying to get man to believe in Evolution and those who believe they evolved from primates- of animal
to begin with will be most open to the mark.This is all part of the alien deception which professes extraterrestrial over the existence of God.
Christian's are made in the Image of the Son of Man, who is God Incarnate and the Holy Spirit is in our carbon copy. That is why CHRIST SAYS:"those who eat my flesh and drink my blood shall have LIFE and I will raise them up on the Last day". We are made into His image- in likeness.

Fallen angel
knowledge is used to develop the technology and it is already in existence. "As in the days of Noah so shall it be in the
days=(end of the age) of the coming of the SON OF MAN". The story of Jacob
and Esau is the mystery concerning this. The Red Stew is the mark, the stew was red because it was uncooked and contains blood.
Esau takes it in haste because he is famished from laboring in the wilderness. This represents the non-kosher animal mark.
The Holy Spirit will not be able to dwell in this beast in image of man. As Christians are made in Christ's image, those of the beast
system are made into the Man of Sin's image, NEPHILIM.

So, satan who decided to deceive Eve in the form of a serpent will at the end of the age dwell in a man who will have a DNA
mark making him a beast, I would say a befitting ending to him who used an animal as the means of the first deception.

They will use the need for commodities, food water , housing ex....... to get people to take the mark. They will not allow any-
one to buy or sell unless they worship the image of the beast and receive the mark through their hand or forehead.They become the image of his name "BEAST"
This is what is coming down the pike,
a broad road with a hefty toll! Many will receive this mark. Fellow Christians, wait and attain to the 1,335, days of Daniel.
Trust in the Lord no matter what you are confronted with and Arch Angel Michael will protect you. And you will be blessed!
 
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Glad to hear that you don't believe in a 'rapture to heaven'.
James 3:1 says; those who teach will be more severely Judged. But many other verses tell of God's punishment for misleading the flock. Ezekiel 34:17-22, 2 Peter 2:1-3
Those who mislead the flock. I've always understood the references to those people as being just unsaved wolves who lure people away from Christ's Church. And sure...they're totally up for punishment. 'Cause they're not saved!
As for the verse that says leaders will be more severely judged...yeah...that's a weighty verse. But...judgment is still not necessarily punishment. We know, as you mention below, that what believers have 'done' during their lives will determine, to a large part, how they spend their eternity. Not where...that was determined by Christ and his sacrifice, but what we'll be doing in eternity future. To some, more will be given, to some, less. I've heard some preachers say that for those whose rewards are greater, not only will they be given more, but their ability to appreciate and love God will be more. Everyone will be 'full' of the love of God and of the joy of him...no one will be lacking in 'heaven'...but those who are rewarded more...their capacity will be more. If I've managed to explain that correctly. So...I suppose for teachers, they will be judged more strictly, based on whether they shepherded wisely or not.

I do agree that 'rapture' belief isn't a salvation issue, but those who do; contradict Bible teaching as I point out in #7.
Sadly for those who grip onto that false theory, their faith will be tested too much for many and they will renounce God for not 'rapturing' them.
Also, when the rewards are given out; on earth, after Jesus Returns; Matthew 16:27, those who have carefully studied, understood and prepared for the prophetic fullfilment, will be rewarded, while those who have believed fables, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, will be asked why they believed such unscriptural nonsense.
Do you mean...just to confirm...that there are those who do believe in the Pre-trib Rapture who DO hold to it being a salvation issue? In that, those who do not believe in it are NOT saved? Because that is very wrong of them, yes, but it doesn't mean they, themselves are not saved, and it should not mean we pop ourselves in the same boat.
I understand plenty of people believe that Pre-tribbers will loose faith after the Rapture just doesn't happen...and I suppose that may occur for some...just as people who don't believe in a Pre-trib Rapture will often loose faith over some thing or another. But I don't believe it will happen just because they are Pre-tribbers. Like I said, I know too many of them and their faith rests so strongly on Christ and him alone for it to be shaken by something like that. Their faith is not on the Rapture...it is on Jesus. They of course long for the Rapture, just as I long for Jesus' return...just as we all should long for his return. But as all the Christians who are persecuted horribly don't loose faith in the face of torture, so I don't believe anyone who truly belongs to him will loose faith. Why? Because we are his, and his promise to hold onto us is sure.
 

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Is what I am saying far fetched ?The offspring of the fallen watchers began defiling themselves with animals. The book of Jasher says:

4:18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.

The Book of Enoch also supports this record, saying that after the fallen angels merged their DNA with women, they, "began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish" (7:5,6)

The Old Testament contains associated reference to genetic mutations, which developed among humans following this activity, including unusual size, physical strength, six fingers, six toes, animal appetite for blood and even lion-like features among men (2 Sam 21:20; 23:20).


The same method used in animals is pretty much the same application to human genes I am no geneticist though.


You can't make this stuff up!

Preceding Generations Forgotten Ecclesiastes 1:8-10

…8All things are wearisome; Man is not able to tell it. The eye is not satisfied with seeing, Nor is the ear filled with hearing. 9That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. 10Is there anything of which one might say, "See this, it is new "? Already it has existed for ages Which were before us.…

Through science's fallen angel knowledge they have developed an application which can be placed in the flesh through the hand or forehead.
 
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You can't make this stuff up!
Ahem....have you seen some of Hollywood's more dodgy films? (Hello, the Isle of Dr Moreau?) Evidence is to the contrary, I believe!
Regardless of the your point, which may or may not have biblical merit, point in fact, you CAN make this stuff up. :D
 
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Glad to hear that you don't believe in a 'rapture to heaven'.
James 3:1 says; those who teach will be more severely Judged. But many other verses tell of God's punishment for misleading the flock. Ezekiel 34:17-22, 2 Peter 2:1-3

I do agree that 'rapture' belief isn't a salvation issue, but those who do; contradict Bible teaching as I point out in #7.
Sadly for those who grip onto that false theory, their faith will be tested too much for many and they will renounce God for not 'rapturing' them.
Also, when the rewards are given out; on earth, after Jesus Returns; Matthew 16:27, those who have carefully studied, understood and prepared for the prophetic fullfilment, will be rewarded, while those who have believed fables, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, will be asked why they believed such unscriptural nonsense.

Totally agree. Just think of what will happen to the faith of those who believe this, and to those whom they teach this to. Also, unbelievers in their families will hear this over and over again only to see that Jesus did NOT take Christians out of this earth and most likely will think all that they heard was bunk and will take the mark. Paul is telling them to be comforted because they worried that those that died would not be risen when He returns for a SECOND time, not a third time. Why is there so many warnings to be built up in the faith? In order to withstand the tribulation days! We will have to trust Him for everything as there will be no buying or selling without the mark. We should be prepared, big time.
 
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