Should Christians not participate in Halloween?

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People tend to focus on the spiritual problem with this holiday, but fail to note that getting kids jacked up on sugar is priming them for a life of addiction and health issues. In the last ten years, I've had a total of less than half a dozen kids come to my door dressed up looking for a hand out on Halloween. I always give them money because it's extortion, plain and simple, and I can't have sugar in my home. Not because I could be tempted to eat it, but because it literally give me a headache just to be anywhere near the stuff. I have to give the bakery a wide berth just to avoid a hangover. The amount of sugar people consume now is over a hundred pounds a year on average. Fifty years ago it was less than 3 pounds a year.

To me, Halloween is a metaphor for Identity politics today. These identities that are being thrown around complete with their own pronouns, etc. are as legitimate as the little ballerinas and cowboys who come knocking on my door asking me to humor them with some pointless transitory reward.

We put a sign on the door that we don't participate. I used to give candy out but after this discussion I didn't want to help to promote it. I commend you for being able to avoid sugar. I held to a very strict diet for years - and avoided sugar. I get bouts of craving sweets though. I've been on a sweet kick lately that I have to stop; sugar really is addictive. I spoke with a doctor about craving sweets and he said: "You crave them because you eat them." I've found that when I give in to the small nudging to buy glazed donuts, after I eat them I crave sweets even more. It's only a moment of satisfaction though because afterwards I always feel wrong - knowing that I'm eating unhealthy.
 

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Oh, sure, and you are all behind this violence and figured it was the right thing to do.
Yes, according to you this is what Christ preached.

Christ does not support the violence you are supporting.

I am sure He would also not treat people like you (as a "good" Catholic) are doing on this Forum.
Ummmmm.....no I am not "behind this violence" that the Muslims committed in the name of God. I am behind the Christians that defended themselves and Christianity. Aren't you?

Sooooo going on the defense against Muslim aggression, invading entire countries under the name of God, murder, rape, forced conversions etc was not the right thing to do? Is that what you believe??? o_O
 

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We put a sign on the door that we don't participate. I used to give candy out but after this discussion I didn't want to help to promote it. I commend you for being able to avoid sugar. I held to a very strict diet for years - and avoided sugar. I get bouts of craving sweets though. I've been on a sweet kick lately that I have to stop; sugar really is addictive. I spoke with a doctor about craving sweets and he said: "You crave them because you eat them." I've found that when I give in to the small nudging to buy glazed donuts, after I eat them I crave sweets even more. It's only a moment of satisfaction though because afterwards I always feel wrong - knowing that I'm eating unhealthy.

There is no point in refraining from eating donuts because unless one cuts out all addictive substances, the cravings will never go away. I learned this the hard way. There's only one other option which is to completely indulge in them until you burn out. It could kill you, but unless you cut them out completely it is an exercise in futility. It cannot be done by "will or effort" Rom.9:16.

Here's what has to be done: Cut out wheat, corn, and any type of flour. Anything that is processed, or has ingredients you have no idea what they are. ANYTHING that says, "sugar free" is NOT sugar free. I have an exhaustive list of ingredients that are all essentially just sugar, and any number of them are routinely found on products labeled as sugar free. Alcohol is the most potent form of sugar there is which is why alcoholics who go into recovery will inevitably develop other health issues because they never stop consuming sugar; just the most potent form of it. They only slow their disease, they never cure it.

Grapes, dates, figs, raisins, prunes, pastas, white rice, fruit juices, dairy, nicotine, caffeine, gambling, etc. should all be avoided like the plague.

A good rule of thumb is to consume equal portions of meat, vegetables, fruit, grains(brown rice, millet, quinoa)

Forget about diets, and focus on a healthy food plan instead. The cravings leave within about two weeks and are forgotten within a month or so forever. I used saccharin to get over that initial hump because it isn't addictive. I lost 150 lbs. in less than seven months and the days of roller coaster weight gain and loss are over. I'm not selling anything here either. Although you can check out a book at the library by Kay Shepherd MD which I highly recommend; "From The First Bite".

People who start her program always complain that the portions are too big, but this is only because we've become accustomed to eating small portions of high caloric foods. Her plan reverses that by consuming large portions of low caloric foods. You're never hungry so you never crave anything. It's simply getting back to the basics of how we were designed to live.

Almost every disease imaginable is due to the consumption of sugar. Sugar causes cracks in the arteries which can only be repaired with cholesterol. When the sugar is removed from the diet, the cracks heal, and the cholesterol is allowed to move freely through the body.
 
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There is no point in refraining from eating donuts because unless one cuts out all addictive substances, the cravings will never go away. I learned this the hard way. There's only one other option which is to completely indulge in them until you burn out. It could kill you, but unless you cut them out completely it is an exercise in futility. It cannot be done by "will or effort" Rom.9:16.

Here's what has to be done: Cut out wheat, corn, and any type of flour. Anything that is processed, or has ingredients you have no idea what they are. ANYTHING that says, "sugar free" is NOT sugar free. I have an exhaustive list of ingredients that are all essentially just sugar, and any number of them are routinely found on products labeled as sugar free. Alcohol is the most potent form of sugar there is which is why alcoholics who go into recovery will inevitably develop other health issues because they never stop consuming sugar; just the most potent form of it. They only slow their disease, they never cure it.

Grapes, dates, figs, raisins, prunes, pastas, white rice, fruit juices, dairy, nicotine, caffeine, gambling, etc. should all be avoided like the plague.

A good rule of thumb is to consume equal portions of meat, vegetables, fruit, grains(brown rice, millet, quinoa)

Forget about diets, and focus on a healthy food plan instead. The cravings leave within about two weeks and are forgotten within a month or so forever. I used saccharin to get over that initial hump because it isn't addictive. I lost 150 lbs. in less than seven months and the days of roller coaster weight gain and loss are over. I'm not selling anything here either. Although you can check out a book at the library by Kay Shepherd MD which I highly recommend; "From The First Bite".

People who start her program always complain that the portions are too big, but this is only because we've become accustomed to eating small portions of high caloric foods. Her plan reverses that by consuming large portions of low caloric foods. You're never hungry so you never crave anything. It's simply getting back to the basics of how we were designed to live.

Almost every disease imaginable is due to the consumption of sugar. Sugar causes cracks in the arteries which can only be repaired with cholesterol. When the sugar is removed from the diet, the cracks heal, and the cholesterol is allowed to move freely through the body.

Agreed. Sugar is NOT our friend! Nor is ANYTHING processed. Whole foods is the way to go. If I find I am starting to eat too many "bad carbs" bread, sweets...it will take me under a week of refraining to not crave them anymore :) A diet is not something that you "go on", it's a lifestyle choice to eat properly and, we should take care of our temple...
 
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Agreed. Sugar is NOT our friend! Nor is ANYTHING processed. Whole foods is the way to go. If I find I am starting to eat too many "bad carbs" bread, sweets...it will take me under a week of refraining to not crave them anymore :) A diet is not something that you "go on", it's a lifestyle choice to eat properly and, we should take care of our temple...

I know people who have kicked heroin who are unable to break free of the hold sugar has over them. Almost 100 years ago Otto Warburg discovered that sugar caused cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. He won the Noble Prize for his discovery. Since then close to another 100 diseases have been linked to it, but you will find nothing in any of the literature of western medicine that suggests it's a problem. There are tribes in Paupua New Guinea who have never encountered refined sugar. They die of old age with no health issues whatsoever. I've seen pictures of men and women in their late 80's. They look like they're in their 30's. They don't just look healthier, they are healthier than the typical 30 year old in any first world country.

For them, it isn't a matter of taking care of their temple. That's just a Given. There's nothing available for them to damage it in the first place. It's the same thing with Halloween. We might look down upon the practice while accepting any number of incoherent doctrines, or superstitious nonsense in our own churches. Ever see anyone engage in bible dipping? They'll be the first ones to frown on Halloween sometimes.
 
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I know people who have kicked heroin who are unable to break free of the hold sugar has over them. Almost 100 years ago Otto Warburg discovered that sugar caused cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. He won the Noble Prize for his discovery. Since then close to another 100 diseases have been linked to it, but you will find nothing in any of the literature of western medicine that suggests it's a problem. There are tribes in Paupua New Guinea who have never encountered refined sugar. They die of old age with no health issues whatsoever. I've seen pictures of men and women in their late 80's. They look like they're in their 30's. They don't just look healthier, they are healthier than the typical 30 year old in any first world country.

For them, it isn't a matter of taking care of their temple. That's just a Given. There's nothing available for them to damage it in the first place. It's the same thing with Halloween. We might look down upon the practice while accepting any number of incoherent doctrines, or superstitious nonsense in our own churches. Ever see anyone engage in bible dipping? They'll be the first ones to frown on Halloween sometimes.

"...but you will find nothing in any of the literature of western medicine that suggests it's a problem."

Of course we won't see it. Because they want us to BE sick so they can rake in boat loads of money.
 

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Sooooo going on the defense against Muslim aggression, invading entire countries under the name of God, murder, rape, forced conversions etc was not the right thing to do? Is that what you believe??? o_O


Muslims and your Catholics during the crusades.
Blood baths left and right.
Yes, I am against these acts, yet you support it.

Here's Christ about it:

Matthew 5:43-48
 

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"...but you will find nothing in any of the literature of western medicine that suggests it's a problem."

Of course we won't see it. Because they want us to BE sick so they can rake in boat loads of money.

The advertising alone desensitizes us to what's going on. You see an ad for Frosted sugar puffs followed by an ad for heroin, then an ad for dealing with the side effects of the heroin which "may cause stroke, incontinence, mydocardial infarction, or sudden death."

Now they have these buttons people can wear around their neck so that when they're having a stroke or heart attack, they can press the button so an ambulance can come get them, and keep them alive just long enough to drain their bank accounts. When the ptb abolish cash, the plug will be hooked directly into their bank account, and disconnect as soon as it reaches zero.
 
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The advertising alone desensitizes us to what's going on. You see an ad for Frosted sugar puffs followed by an ad for heroin, then an ad for dealing with the side effects of the heroin which "may cause stroke, incontinence, mydocardial infarction, or sudden death."

Now they have these buttons people can wear around their neck so that when they're having a stroke or heart attack, they can press the button so an ambulance can come get them, and keep them alive just long enough to drain their bank accounts. When the ptb abolish cash, the plug will be hooked directly into their bank account, and disconnect as soon as it reaches zero.

This is such a cruel and un- just world.
 

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This is such a cruel and un- just world.

Numbers 13:32 KJV
[32] And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.


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Muslims and your Catholics during the crusades.
Blood baths left and right.
Yes, I am against these acts, yet you support it.

Here's Christ about it:

Matthew 5:43-48
Soooooo triumph....If someone breaks into your home in the dark of the night to burglarize you and commit heinous acts....Your going to love them???? And PRAY they go away??? o_Oo_Oo_O

I thought scripture taught that : If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

But maybe you have a different Scripture than me???

Show me in Scripture where Exodus 22:2-3 has been cancelled out. Show me a NT passage that I am not allowed to defend myself, my family or my country against rapist and murderers and I will join your defenseless church.

@Nancy and @Waiting on him should be embarrassed for “liking” the fact that you are against defending your country and your family. I pray to God that all three of you will defend yourself and your family......but maybe you are defenseless sheep?

Keeping it real....Mary
 

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Soooooo triumph....If someone breaks into your home in the dark of the night to burglarize you and commit heinous acts....Your going to love them???? And PRAY they go away??? o_Oo_Oo_O

I thought scripture taught that : If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

But maybe you have a different Scripture than me???

Show me in Scripture where Exodus 22:2-3 has been cancelled out. Show me a NT passage that I am not allowed to defend myself, my family or my country against rapist and murderers and I will join your defenseless church.

@Nancy and @Waiting on him should be embarrassed for “liking” the fact that you are against defending your country and your family. I pray to God that all three of you will defend yourself and your family......but maybe you are defenseless sheep?

Keeping it real....Mary
I’m not ashamed of the Gospel.
 
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Romans 8:35-39 KJV
[35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. [37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


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I’m not ashamed of the Gospel.
I would be ashamed of you if you allowed someone into your home to defile you without defending yourself. Show me one passage from Scripture that says that someone is allowed to do that to you, your family or your country....
 

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Soooooo triumph....If someone breaks into your home in the dark of the night to burglarize

"9 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also"

I would add that "he who steals from me steals trash". I thought that was something Jesus said, but it was Shakespeare.


Show me a NT passage that I am not allowed to defend myself,

"Deny yourself" -Jesus

Keeping it real....Mary

Here's what Jesus has to say: " Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."

There you have it. Jesus and his servants aren't fighting for this world because they're not of this world.
 

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Romans 8:35-39 KJV
[35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. [37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


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Hi Waiting,

Ummmm...Ya’ ....OK...it’s time for a little bible study kiddo.

The “sheep for the slaughter”....that is from Psalm 44:22. Soooo how about reading ALL of Scripture instead of the one verse that teaches that religious people are “sheep for the slaughter” .

How about Luke 11
:21 and 22:36??? And since you love Psalms soooo much how about this:
Psalms 144:1 or even Mark 3:27????

OMG....if one is to take up the sword they are to die by the sword. Right? Ummmm......nice try but that passage only means in revenge or or against a rightful authority.

So your theory and misquoting of Scripture does not work. You should be embarrassed about that....


Bible study Mary
 

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Hi Waiting,

Ummmm...Ya’ ....OK...it’s time for a little bible study kiddo.

The “sheep for the slaughter”....that is from Psalm 44:22. Soooo how about reading ALL of Scripture instead of the one verse that teaches that religious people are “sheep for the slaughter” .

How about Luke 11
:21 and 22:36??? And since you love Psalms soooo much how about this:
Psalms 144:1 or even Mark 3:27????

OMG....if one is to take up the sword they are to die by the sword. Right? Ummmm......nice try but that passage only means in revenge or or against a rightful authority.

So your theory and misquoting of Scripture does not work. You should be embarrassed about that....


Bible study Mary
You must be very lonely.
 

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"9 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also"

I would add that "he who steals from me steals trash". I thought that was something Jesus said, but it was Shakespeare.

"Deny yourself" -Jesus

Here's what Jesus has to say: " Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."

There you have it. Jesus and his servants aren't fighting for this world because they're not of this world.
Thank you shnarkle.

Just to be clear. If someone broke into your house you would not defend yourself or your family? You would deny yourself and allow them to defile you and your family???

If a Muslim nation invaded the States you would not defend your country? You would crumble and cower to them?

Needing some clarification....Mary