What is the correct view on genesis

Giuliano · Aug 30, 2019

shnarkle said:
Ordinarily I look forward to reading your posts, but I am baffled by the last few, primarily because you're throwing your pearls before swine, and what's even worse is to quote the mindless nonsense of those you yourself admit is just insulting.

If there was a way to engage obnoxious people, and quickly get them to see the error of their ways, I see no reason not to do that. Anything else is idiotic. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but in the sense that it is to engage them on their 'own' level. Frankly, I don't see the point if they are incapable of moving beyond woefully uninspired trolling.

If one is capable of trolling the troll into obscurity, I see no point in belaboring or forestalling that goal. If not, nothing is more effective than that trusty "ignore" button. However, if the troll's posts are making their way into my watched threads via your posts, "we have a problem Houston". Perhaps you could simply respond to his posts without bothering to repost his insulting remarks?

G.K. Chesterton says that anything worth doing is worth doing badly. Insulting posts don't really warrant being reposted. I enjoy the information you share on your posts, but the other parties insults, and mindless rants are not informative.

I'll stop if it's bothering you. I don't mind people calling me names and the other kind of things that get written; but if it's annoying to other people, I should probably stop.

I don't always know where to draw the line, which to follow:

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Now let me comment about Rachel. I search for love and useful doctrine in the Bible, more than mere facts. If something truly is Scripture, it's supposed to be about love and should also teach us doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Jews frequently refer to her as "Mother of all Israel." I'd say Matthew seems to hold the same view. She is not their mother after the flesh, she is their spiritual mother. Thus the Jews are right about this in my opinion. Spiritually, Jacob had one wife. It was wicked Laban's idea to get Jacob to marry Leah in earthly terms.

This also leans me to the view that calling Mary the Mother of all Christians is likely true. She always obeyed God, so she is worthy to be called Mother to me. Where would the world be without Mary, obedient servant of God?

I also believe that passage about Rachel has a clue about where the righteous go after the death of their physical bodies. I believe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob may be awaiting the resurrection in one way; but in another, they are alive since Jesus said so. Not everyone slept in the Old Testament. If people were "dead" before they died, as Jesus talked about, they'd continue to be dead spiritually and sleep after their bodies die. If their soul slept and went into the grave, of course they knew nothing; but if their soul did not sleep, it wasn't in the grave.
There is also a part of the soul that did sleep for everyone prior to Jesus' time and which still does it seems. It's complicated, and I can't say I grasp it fully.

I see Rachel weeping in Paradise -- I see it as true, yes, very true. Others here may say they believe the Bible is true, but they won't say they believe Rachel was weeping anywhere. I think she was praying; and I believe her prayers were either answered or will be. It contains a clue for me about the afterlife.

Yes, I also think Rachel saw Joseph in Egypt. Her physical body may have died, but she was there in spirit and saw him. Why did she bow? Oh, to the Light of God in him; and through Joseph, we see now many Egyptians were joined to Israel since when Israel left, many Egyptians left with them. This was thanks to Joseph, servant of God. It is part of the "mystery" Paul talked about, how Jews and Gentiles are interconnected.

I also read the "coat of many colors" to mean the various colors of the rainbow. Joseph may have received literally a coat from his father; but more importantly to me, he received something spiritual -- something that coincides to the rainbow seen after the Flood of Noah and seen again in Revelation.

Waiting on him · Aug 30, 2019

Giuliano said:
I'll stop if it's bothering you. I don't mind people calling me names and the other kind of things that get written; but if it's annoying to other people, I should probably stop.

I don't always know where to draw the line, which to follow:

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Now let me comment about Rachel. I search for love and useful doctrine in the Bible, more than mere facts. If something truly is Scripture, it's supposed to be about love and should also teach us doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Jews frequently refer to her as "Mother of all Israel." I'd say Matthew seems to hold the same view. She is not their mother after the flesh, she is their spiritual mother. Thus the Jews are right about this in my opinion. Spiritually, Jacob had one wife. It was wicked Laban's idea to get Jacob to marry Leah in earthly terms.

This also leans me to the view that calling Mary the Mother of all Christians is likely true. She always obeyed God, so she is worthy to be called Mother to me. Where would the world be without Mary, obedient servant of God?

I also believe that passage about Rachel has a clue about where the righteous go after the death of their physical bodies. I believe Abraham, Isaac and Jacob may be awaiting the resurrection in one way; but in another, they are alive since Jesus said so. Not everyone slept in the Old Testament. If people were "dead" before they died, as Jesus talked about, they'd continue to be dead spiritually and sleep after their bodies die. If their soul slept and went into the grave, of course they knew nothing; but if their soul did not sleep, it wasn't in the grave.
There is also a part of the soul that did sleep for everyone prior to Jesus' time and which still does it seems. It's complicated, and I can't say I grasp it fully.

I see Rachel weeping in Paradise -- I see it as true, yes, very true. Others here may say they believe the Bible is true, but they won't say they believe Rachel was weeping anywhere. I think she was praying; and I believe her prayers were either answered or will be. It contains a clue for me about the afterlife.

Yes, I also think Rachel saw Joseph in Egypt. Her physical body may have died, but she was there in spirit and saw him. Why did she bow? Oh, to the Light of God in him; and through Joseph, we see now many Egyptians were joined to Israel since when Israel left, many Egyptians left with them. This was thanks to Joseph, servant of God. It is part of the "mystery" Paul talked about, how Jews and Gentiles are interconnected.

I also read the "coat of many colors" to mean the various colors of the rainbow. Joseph may have received literally a coat from his father; but more importantly to me, he received something spiritual -- something that coincides to the rainbow seen after the Flood of Noah and seen again in Revelation.

It’s all to show Gods plan of redemption, even in the story of Abraham sent to offer Isaac apon the alter I believe it’s three chapters later Abraham’s servant is qualifying him a bride by the well giving gifts. Who is this unnamed servant of old cant be none other than Eliezer.

Hebrew: אליעזר
Transliteration: 'ĕlîy‛ezer
Pronunciation: el-ee-eh'-zer
Definition: From H410 and H5828; God of help;
{Eliezer} the name of a Damascene and of ten Israelites: - Eliezer.
So we have Abraham the father
Issac the son
Rebecca being qualified
Eliezer gift giver and qualifier

Genesis 15:2 KJV
[2] And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

Tecarta BibleThe whole plan of redemption hidden in plain sight.

Giuliano · Aug 30, 2019

Waiting on him said:
It’s all to show Gods plan of redemption, even in the story of Abraham sent to offer Isaac apon the alter I believe it’s three chapters later Abraham’s servant is qualifying him a bride by the well giving gifts. Who is this unnamed servant of old cant be none other than Eliezer.

Hebrew: אליעזר
Transliteration: 'ĕlîy‛ezer
Pronunciation: el-ee-eh'-zer
Definition: From H410 and H5828; God of help;
{Eliezer} the name of a Damascene and of ten Israelites: - Eliezer.
So we have Abraham the father
Issac the son
Rebecca being qualified
Eliezer gift giver and qualifier

Genesis 15:2 KJV
[2] And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

Tecarta BibleThe whole plan of redemption hidden in plain sight.

Eliezer is one of my favorite characters in the Bible. I believe he also helped rescue Lot. The Jews have a list of people they believe were assumed bodily into Heaven. Eliezer is on the list for his great help to Abraham as a Gentile. There's another Gentile on the list, Bithiah, the daughter of Pharoah, for her kindness in rescuing Moses. She left Egypt with Israel too.

1 Chronicles 4:18 And his wife Jehudijah bare Jered the father of Gedor, and Heber the father of Socho, and Jekuthiel the father of Zanoah. And these are the sons of Bithiah the daughter of Pharaoh, which Mered took.

Who was Mered? Another name for Caleb, the Jews say. It may not be necessary for us to believe these people were assumed bodily into Heaven; but we should see how Israel and the Gentiles were always interacting and how there were righteous Gentiles that God could use. Often they played crucial roles like Pharaoh's daughter and Rahab in Jericho -- I would say both of them won the conflict between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. It's out there in "plain sight", as you say, if only we can see it.

We see the Love of God for all mankind, from the beginning. When we see something about God that makes us love Him more, we can be confident we have things right.

amadeus · Aug 31, 2019

Enoch111 said:
I don't understand why Amadeus has put his "Like" against this post since it has some very serious problems.

The first thing that Christians must believe is that EACH AND EVERY WRITER of the Bible wrote by divine inspiration (2 Tim 3:16,17). Which means that each one *had it right* because God always has it right.
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Giuliano, it is quite evident from this post that you DO NOT BELIEVE that the Bible is literally the Word of God, given by divine inspiration, therefore inerrant and infallible...

I don't reserve my "likes" only those with whom I agree 100%. Sometimes I like their research and/or their conclusions based on the scriptures [or other?], even though sometime I may actually disagree with some points posted.

While I am more careful about calling something in scripture an error when I don't really know, I do not doubt the possibility that God has purposely allowed men to have free rein in some measure in their translating of scriptures. As I believe @Giuliano has made clear even if there were such an error, the message from God has not been eliminated. It is there and for this reason we do all the more need help from the Holy Spirit.

On the last point, you suggested that he [Giuliano] did not believe the Bible is literally the Word of God. With him it was evident to you, but to make clear for me: I also do NOT believe the written Bible is the Living Word of God. It is a dead thing or carcass [flesh of Jesus] which when consumed [read or heard] may then be quickened [brought to Life] within us by the Holy Spirit [Blood of Jesus]. When it is so quickened, then it is the Word of God and most definitely Alive.

Waiting on him · Aug 31, 2019

amadeus said:
I don't reserve my "likes" only those with whom I agree 100%. Sometimes I like their research and/or their conclusions based on the scriptures [or other?], even though sometime I may actually disagree with some points posted.

While I am more careful about calling something in scripture an error when I don't really know, I do not doubt the possibility that God has purposely allowed men to have free rein in some measure in their translating of scriptures. As I believe @Giuliano has made clear even if there were such an error, the message from God has not been eliminated. It is there and for this reason we do all the more need help from the Holy Spirit.

On the last point, you suggested that he [Giuliano] did not believe the Bible is literally the Word of God. With him it was evident to you, but to make clear for me: I also do NOT believe the written Bible is the Living Word of God. It is a dead thing or carcass [flesh of Jesus] which when consumed [read or heard] may then be quickened [brought to Life] within us by the Holy Spirit [Blood of Jesus]. When it is so quickened, then it is the Word of God and most definitely Alive.

That’s interesting John, weren’t the original manuscripts written on vellum?

amadeus · Aug 31, 2019

@Giuliano I saw other points of interest in this post, but I wished to comment on what I quoted below:

Giuliano said:
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Yes, I also think Rachel saw Joseph in Egypt. Her physical body may have died, but she was there in spirit and saw him. Why did she bow? Oh, to the Light of God in him; and through Joseph, we see now many Egyptians were joined to Israel since when Israel left, many Egyptians left with them. This was thanks to Joseph, servant of God. It is part of the "mystery" Paul talked about, how Jews and Gentiles are interconnected.

If you had not already made note of it, a connection for Rachel in Egypt is seen in one of Joseph's early dreams:

"And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me." Gen 37:9

Of course when he dreamed the dream both of his parents were alive in the flesh, but Rachel died before Joseph became a ruler in Egypt to whom she, [the "moon" in his dream] would make obeisance.

I also read the "coat of many colors" to mean the various colors of the rainbow. Joseph may have received literally a coat from his father; but more importantly to me, he received something spiritual -- something that coincides to the rainbow seen after the Flood of Noah and seen again in Revelation.

I think you may already be aware of the other "garment of colours" worn by Tamar, the sister of Absalom, in II Sam 13:18, who raped by her other brother Amnon. The two Hebrews words for Joseph's coat are the same as the ones for Tamar's garment [Strong's #3801 & #6446].

amadeus · Aug 31, 2019

Waiting on him said:
That’s interesting John, weren’t the original manuscripts written on vellum?

I'm no expert on that, but I am certain they were originally living, whether papyrus or vellum or paper. We do the same thing physically when we eat the dead meat of cattle. It is dead but after we consume and digest it, it will eventually be brought back to life as part of us [fleshly us].

Giuliano · Aug 31, 2019

amadeus said:
@Giuliano I saw other points of interest in this post, but I wished to comment on what I quoted below:

If you had not already made note of it, a connection for Rachel in Egypt is seen in one of Joseph's early dreams:

"And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me." Gen 37:9

Of course when he dreamed the dream both of his parents were alive in the flesh, but Rachel died before Joseph became a ruler in Egypt to whom she, [the "moon" in his dream] would make obeisance.

Yet I believe Rachel was there in spirit. I think Joseph's dream was right. What may look like an error can instruct us. Rachel was "among the living".

There are people who will remind us that that prophecy about Rachel weeping had already been fulfilled. That is true too, since it's said Benjaminites were led through the city of Ramah when taken into captivity. I see the first fulfillment as being more physical, the second more spiritual. I think there are other prophecies referred to in the New Testament that similarly have two fulfillments. The same pattern is seen, but one is often more physical than the other.

I think you may already be aware of the other "garment of colours" worn by Tamar, the sister of Absalom, in II Sam 13:18, who raped by her other brother Amnon. The two Hebrews words for Joseph's coat are the same as the ones for Tamar's garment [Strong's #3801 & #6446].

In both cases, trouble was brewing. I wonder what that means? In one case, Tamar rends her garment; in the other, Joseph's garment is taken from him and dipped in blood. I see a some similarities, but a pattern isn't emerging. . . .

The tribe of Judah seems significant in some way since Tamar was a Jew and Judah wasn't present when Joseph's coat was dipped in blood. But those details seem contradictory at first glance -- but I think they may still mean the same thing. I just can't see it.

amadeus · Sep 1, 2019

Giuliano said:
Yet I believe Rachel was there in spirit. I think Joseph's dream was right. What may look like an error can instruct us. Rachel was "among the living".

I agree. She was among the Living as were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:

"And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." Mark 12:26-27

There are people who will remind us that that prophecy about Rachel weeping had already been fulfilled. That is true too, since it's said Benjaminites were led through the city of Ramah when taken into captivity. I see the first fulfillment as being more physical, the second more spiritual. I think there are other prophecies referred to in the New Testament that similarly have two fulfillments. The same pattern is seen, but one is often more physical than the other.

In both cases, trouble was brewing. I wonder what that means? In one case, Tamar rends her garment; in the other, Joseph's garment is taken from him and dipped in blood. I see a some similarities, but a pattern isn't emerging. . . .

I cannot either, but I am sure it is there. Let's look at what happened:

Briefly, Joseph and Tamar were overpowered by brothers, or a brother. They took Joseph's coat and dipped it in the blood of an animal. When Amnon had Tamar set outside his door she put ashes on her head and tore her garment.

Joseph, the favorite son of Jacob/Israel was sold as a slave. Tamar, the daughter of David the King was dishonoured by one brother was then cared for by another brother [Absalom], who was to conspire against his father for the kingdom.

Can we see Jesus, the Head and Body, in Joseph and Tamar?

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Eph 5:23

Joseph certainly is type of Jesus as seen in this verse where Pharaoh empowers him:

Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou." Gen 41:40

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28
[I did not mean to bring that up here, but consider what this should mean to those who embrace the trinity:

]

Then let us look at Tamar. Is she a type of the bride or the wife or of the Body of Christ? I am tired so must
stop here for the now, but perhaps you can proceed...?

The tribe of Judah seems significant in some way since Tamar was a Jew and Judah wasn't present when Joseph's coat was dipped in blood. But those details seem contradictory at first glance -- but I think they may still mean the same thing. I just can't see it.

Judah did a complete reversal as each person today when born again or from above is supposed to do:

First he is the ringleader in the bringing about the sale of Joseph into slavery [versus death]:

"And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?
Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content." Gen 37:26-27

We see a real beginning to his turn around here after his daughter-in-law is impregnated by him. He was about to have her stoned for becoming pregnant out of wedlock:

"When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.
And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more." Gen 38:25-26

Then when the ruler in Egypt [who in reality is his brother Joseph] demands that Benjamin be brought before to him, again we see the new Judah here:

"And Judah said unto Israel his father, Send the lad with me, and we will arise and go; that we may live, and not die, both we, and thou, and also our little ones.
I will be surety for him; of my hand shalt thou require him: if I bring him not unto thee, and set him before thee, then let me bear the blame for ever:" Gen 43:8-9

His older brother Reuben had mouthed similar words to Jacob, but Judah stood by what he had said before the ruler of Egypt [still not knowing it was Joseph]:

"For thy servant became surety for the lad unto my father, saying, If I bring him not unto thee, then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever.
Now therefore, I pray thee, let thy servant abide instead of the lad a bondman to my lord; and let the lad go up with his brethren." Gen 44:32-33

And then...?

Giuliano · Sep 1, 2019

Amadeus,

I see I was reckless about Judah, that he was there when the garment got dipped. I'm still digesting the other things. Thanks for that correction. Now I can be right about it. It may also help my thinking about the passages.

Giuliano · Sep 1, 2019

amadeus said:
I agree. She was among the Living as were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:

"And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." Mark 12:26-27

Quite. Let me give some thoughts I have already.

I cannot either, but I am sure it is there. Let's look at what happened:

Briefly, Joseph and Tamar were overpowered by brothers, or a brother. They took Joseph's coat and dipped it in the blood of an animal. When Amnon had Tamar set outside his door she put ashes on her head and tore her garment.

Many Jews read the book of Genesis as both a book of real people and also as a book of prophecy. They say Joseph represent Messiah when he ushers in the Millenium. I agree. Brothers? It's a theme through Genesis starting with Cain and Abel down to Joseph and his brothers. The end shows how things will turn out with the reconciliation of brothers. When it tells us that Ishmael and Isaac buried their father, that shows they too had been reconciled, foretelling prophetically a time when the two nations will be at peace.

Joseph, the favorite son of Jacob/Israel was sold as a slave. Tamar, the daughter of David the King was dishonoured by one brother was then cared for by another brother [Absalom], who was to conspire against his father for the kingdom.

Can we see Jesus, the Head and Body, in Joseph and Tamar?

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Eph 5:23

Joseph certainly is type of Jesus as seen in this verse where Pharaoh empowers him:

Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou." Gen 41:40

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28[

I did not mean to bring that up here, but consider what this should mean to those who embrace the trinity:

Then let us look at Tamar. Is she a type of the bride or the wife or of the Body of Christ? I am tired so must
stop here for the now, but perhaps you can proceed...?

It is hard for me to relate Tamar to the Body of Christ.

It is said that she was the daughter of a priest. Her father expected Judah to do something when she got pregnant.

Judah did a complete reversal as each person today when born again or from above is supposed to do:

First he is the ringleader in the bringing about the sale of Joseph into slavery [versus death]:

"And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?
Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brethren were content." Gen 37:26-27

Notice how oddly chapter 38 starts. The KJV reads "went down from his brethren." One Jewish tradition says he left his brothers since they blamed him for what happened to Joseph and told him if he had told them to keep Joseph safe from harm, they would have done it. More sibling rivalry? So he left and lived among Gentiles, marrying one. We are not told if that was a proper marriage to a believer in God. I rather think not, hence the problems with Er and Onan.

My belief is that Judah should have married Tamar to begin with instead of marrying her to his sons.

Again I refer to Jewish Tradition about what happened after Joseph was sold, not knowing how seriously to take it. They say: What was Joseph doing? He was mourning at his situation. Jacob was mourning for Joseph. Judah ran away and got married. Reuben was repenting for his sin. The other brothers were laying blame. What was God doing? He was busy planning for the future Messiah.

That makes sense to me, and I see in Tamar "the desire of women" -- the desire to have holy children. In a way, she was the only one helping God make progress. We may frown at her methods, but it worked.

We see a real beginning to his turn around here after his daughter-in-law is impregnated by him. He was about to have her stoned for becoming pregnant out of wedlock:

"When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.
And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more." Gen 38:25-26

Then when the ruler in Egypt [who in reality is his brother Joseph] demands that Benjamin be brought before to him, again we see the new Judah here:

"And Judah said unto Israel his father, Send the lad with me, and we will arise and go; that we may live, and not die, both we, and thou, and also our little ones.
I will be surety for him; of my hand shalt thou require him: if I bring him not unto thee, and set him before thee, then let me bear the blame for ever:" Gen 43:8-9

His older brother Reuben had mouthed similar words to Jacob, but Judah stood by what he had said before the ruler of Egypt [still not knowing it was Joseph]:

"For thy servant became surety for the lad unto my father, saying, If I bring him not unto thee, then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever.
Now therefore, I pray thee, let thy servant abide instead of the lad a bondman to my lord; and let the lad go up with his brethren." Gen 44:32-33

And then...?

I think maybe Tamar was responsible for his improvement. I don't think he cleaved to his first wife; but when he saw how Tamar was more righteous than he was, he shaped up. He had erred about Joseph and was given a chance to correct the situation.

Then comes the detail of the scarlet thread. Does that connect with Rahab's scarlet thread? With the scarlet thread used on the Day of Atonement that turned white if the sacrifice was accepted?

And the matter of the two dreams Joseph interpreted with bread and wine and the three days which I have pondered from time to time for years. Why is the baker hanged on a tree and the butler not? Does that say something about body and soul -- and the resurrection? That the mortal carnal body is discarded while the soul is saved? A new butler isn't mentioned, but there would have been one -- would he signify a spiritual body?

GerhardEbersoehn · Nov 7, 2019

101G said:
Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse".

Genesis is real, but to understand spiritual concepts, as said, symbolism, metaphorically use of speech, and simile ect... are used to express Gods thoughts or actions. for example. God don't have phyical "hands", "eyes", ears", or "feet", ect....... we use these in term as anthropomorphism in describing God actions and functions.

with that said, I suggest you read the bible with the "Holy Ghost" who will teach you in ALL THINGS.

I highly Recommend him to teach you.

only one thing,
James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

James 1:6 "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

James 1:7 "For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

James 1:8 "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

James 1:9 "Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:

just be serious when you seek him to teach you.

Be blessed in the Christ, Jesus Yeshua.

This really is a beautiful answer. It think Paul might have described it as "edifying". Thank you. God bless you

GerhardEbersoehn · Nov 7, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Some people are even confused enough to imagine that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two separate creation accounts, when what we really have is an overview in chapter 1 and a focus on mankind and man's relationship to creation in chapter 2.

The light blinded you so that you saw only the first two and not the third chapter in which <man's relationship> to the Creator is <focused on> in between 3:8 (and it was evening) and 3:24 (and it was morning) "GOD the Seventh Day from all HIS, works (of Salvation) RESTED".

Marymog · Nov 7, 2019

mjrhealth said:
One could just ask God, than and only than will you get the right answer.

I asked God and I got the right answer. Did you?

GerhardEbersoehn · Nov 8, 2019

Andrew Kind said:
Some people say that genesis is meant to be taken literally others say metaphorically, who's right?

Genesis is meant to be taken LITERARY literally. Karl Barth called it the 'creation SAGA'. Much more is implied in what is mentioned than what is mentioned, e.g., God clothed Adam and Eve with skin-- implied is, skin of sacrifice; and further believed, is that the sacrifice pointed to Jesus Christ.

Another example, take the first verses of chapter one-- implied is Exodus 20:11 that God created everything mentioned and implied, "in six days"; not before.

Enoch111 · Nov 8, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
God clothed Adam and Eve with skin-- implied is, skin of sacrifice; and further believed, is that the sacrifice pointed to Jesus Christ.

Correct. Things have become so dumbed down today that a lot of Christians simply will not believe anything which has not been stated explicitly. They simply do not understand that many things are implied in Scripture, and God expects us to discover that through the study of the Word.

GerhardEbersoehn · Nov 8, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Correct. Things have become so dumbed down today that a lot of Christians simply will not believe anything which has not been stated explicitly. They simply do not understand that many things are implied in Scripture, and God expects us to discover that through the study of the Word.

So would you agree with post #333?

GerhardEbersoehn · Nov 8, 2019

... would you?

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