:bible:First of all, the Jews are no longer the "Chosen Ones" and the reason that they were "chosen" can be found in the Bible and will be a surprise to most Americans. Judeo-Christianity teaches us that the Jews have some special relationship with God even though they murdered His prophets and killed the Son of God, Jesus Christ. We are just supposed to forget about the fact that almost all Jews consistently turned away from the teachings of God and ignored or even murdered His messengers. In John 8:44, Jesus tells the Jews "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own nature: for he is a liar, and the father of lies." In Revelations 2:9, an angel of God tells St. John "I know the slander of those who say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." In Mark 2:17, in response to criticism from the Jewish elders, who complained that Jesus was spending time with lowly sinners, Jesus replied "They that are healthy have no need of a physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Why did God first focus on the Jews of all the races on the planet? Surely, God knew that the Jews would kill many of His prophets, and there was no doubt that the Jews would kill His Son. Was God trying to give us a warning about the true nature of the Jews to protect us so that we would keep them out of Christian lands or keep them from taking over our mass media and government? An even more clear explanation that wipes away the notion of Jews still being the "chosen people" appears in the Parable of the Vineyard. In Luke 20:9 through 20:17, Jesus explains in unmistakable clarity, the notion of who is chosen and who isn't: "Then began He to speak to the people this parable; A landlord planted a vineyard, and let it out to tenants, and went into a far country for a long time. And at the season he sent a servant to the tenants, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the tenants beat him, and sent [him] away empty. And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated [him] shamefully, and sent [him] away empty. And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast [him] out. Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence [him] when they see him. But when the tenants saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed [him]. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these tenants, and shall give the vineyard to others."=20 Basically, the Parable of the Vineyard explains that the Jews were evil from the start. That God gave them a chance, and they murdered the people sent to them, namely the prophets and the Son of God, and that a new chosen people will be found because the first people were undeserving. The White Race accepted Christianity and clearly White people are the new chosen people, who have accepted God's Word, and who deserve to be "Chosen Ones". :bible:
Who are the chosen people of God ?
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Actually you are wrong. The Jews are still God chosen people. God never forsaked the Jews. He merely put a slumber on them, for the age of the Gentiles. Secondly not all Jews are really "Jews" as stated in John 8:44, Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9.Judah is still our brothers. The "Jews" you are referring to are Satan's seedline... his first son was Cain. The Kenites are these "Jews" that wanted to cruify Christ... Not our brother Judah.Ezekiel 37:16-19 are referring to future time.
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Actually you are wrong. The Jews are still God chosen people. God never forsaked the Jews. He merely put a slumber on them, for the age of the Gentiles.
Actually you are wrong. I'm a Jew and the Jews were never God's chosen people. Those who believe have always been His chosen people. Israel was corporately chosen to be the outlet for his revelation. All the promises have always been to those who believe and there has never been any unbeliever as a person of God. That's one of the primary teachings of the New Testament. Being a Jew is nothing special. You have to believe or your no different from any other pagan.
Actually you are wrong. The Jews are still God chosen people. God never forsaked the Jews. He merely put a slumber on them, for the age of the Gentiles.
Actually you are wrong. I'm a Jew and the Jews were never God's chosen people. Those who believe have always been His chosen people. Israel was corporately chosen to be the outlet for his revelation. All the promises have always been to those who believe and there has never been any unbeliever as a person of God. That's one of the primary teachings of the New Testament. Being a Jew is nothing special. You have to believe or your no different from any other pagan.
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(Jordan;67352)
Actually you are wrong. The Jews are still God chosen people. God never forsaked the Jews. He merely put a slumber on them, for the age of the Gentiles. Secondly not all Jews are really "Jews" as stated in John 8:44, Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9.Judah is still our brothers. The "Jews" you are referring to are Satan's seedline... his first son was Cain. The Kenites are these "Jews" that wanted to cruify Christ... Not our brother Judah.Ezekiel 37:16-19 are referring to future time.
Actually you are wrong. I'm a Jew and the Jews were never God's chosen people. Those who believe have always been His chosen people. Israel was corporately chosen to be the outlet for his revelation. All the promises have always been to those who believe and there has never been any unbeliever as a person of God. That's one of the primary teachings of the New Testament. Being a Jew is nothing special. You have to believe or your no different from any other pagan.Ok D.A.S. You can believe whatever you want.
Knowing that the Old Testament is New Testament concealed and the New Testament is Old Testament revealed. Nothing is going to change my mind...How do you explain that Jews & Christians going to be grafted together to the Tree of Life? (Ezekiel 37:16-19)
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Actually you are wrong. The Jews are still God chosen people. God never forsaked the Jews. He merely put a slumber on them, for the age of the Gentiles. Secondly not all Jews are really "Jews" as stated in John 8:44, Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9.Judah is still our brothers. The "Jews" you are referring to are Satan's seedline... his first son was Cain. The Kenites are these "Jews" that wanted to cruify Christ... Not our brother Judah.Ezekiel 37:16-19 are referring to future time.
Actually you are wrong. I'm a Jew and the Jews were never God's chosen people. Those who believe have always been His chosen people. Israel was corporately chosen to be the outlet for his revelation. All the promises have always been to those who believe and there has never been any unbeliever as a person of God. That's one of the primary teachings of the New Testament. Being a Jew is nothing special. You have to believe or your no different from any other pagan.Ok D.A.S. You can believe whatever you want.
D.A.S. and Jordan your both right The true church is made up of believers however these believers that will make up the true church/bride of Christ are currently split into two branches .. These are the two sticks of Eze.37Judah retains the scepter and Josheph the birthright in prochecy one is called Judah (todays Jews) the other called Israel (ten lost tribes) the christain Nations ..The Whole House of Israel is all 12 tribes Jew and Christain being joined together under Christ at his return ... Judah (jews) are the rement put under a slumber by God ..left to preserve the law ... God will remove this slumber at the appointed time joining the law and grace under Christ the chosen people are the Whole house of Israel all 12 tribes (we call them today Jew and Christain) ... they are/will be the bride of Christ Both Jew and Christain are two sticks of the same branch/tree they make up The Whole House of Israel .. the true church, the bride of Christ.
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Ok D.A.S. You can believe whatever you want.
Knowing that the Old Testament is New Testament concealed and the New Testament is Old Testament revealed. Nothing is going to change my mind...How do you explain that Jews & Christians going to be grafted together to the Tree of Life? (Ezekiel 37:16-19)
That verse is talking about Jews and more Jews being united.
Ok D.A.S. You can believe whatever you want.
That verse is talking about Jews and more Jews being united.
No its not DAS its speaking of then ten lost tribes united with two tribes known as Judah All 12 tribes united its future The Whole house of Israelhttp://www.christianityboard.com/eze-17-tr...ibes-t6147.html
Yes but its who the ten lost tribes are that I was referring to they are not just Jews they are also Christians its the uniting of Jew and christian not Jew and Jew
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Yes but its who the ten lost tribes are that I was referring to they are not Jews they are Christians its the uniting of Jew and christian not Jew and Jew
Yes, you are correct... as Judah (2 tribes) never received Christ as His own received Him not. (John 1:11) The lost ten tribes of Israel did not hear the gospel first. Judah first, then the lost ten tribes of Israel (Gentiles) heard last.Judah, once again, are waiting for their first coming, as God "blind" Judah for the lost ten tribes of Israel to come to Christ. We are waiting for the Second Coming. As Ezekiel 37 is not yet fulfilled as Judah only have the Old Testament, and we have both, Old Testament and New Testament. The remnant of Judah shall be saved because they will soon see the Truth when time comes... and they will be grafted in the Tree of Life along with Christians.By the Way, to understand God's Words correctly. Never use Judah and Israel interchangeably.
Yes but its who the ten lost tribes are that I was referring to they are not Jews they are Christians its the uniting of Jew and christian not Jew and Jew
Yes, you are correct... as Judah (2 tribes) never received Christ as His own received Him not. (John 1:11) The lost ten tribes of Israel did not hear the gospel first. Judah first, then the lost ten tribes of Israel (Gentiles) heard last.Judah, once again, are waiting for their first coming, as God "blind" Judah for the lost ten tribes of Israel to come to Christ. We are waiting for the Second Coming. As Ezekiel 37 is not yet fulfilled as Judah only have the Old Testament, and we have both, Old Testament and New Testament. The remnant of Judah shall be saved because they will soon see the Truth when time comes... and they will be grafted in the Tree of Life along with Christians.By the Way, to understand God's Words correctly. Never use Judah and Israel interchangeably.
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This is one of those threads where the same topic gets brought up time and time again to the point of argumentum ad nauseam.The whole point of the debate regarding whether the Jews are some of God's chosen people or not rests on two overlooked things:1. Failure to see the difference between the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 2. failure to understand there is a chosen of race, and there's a chosen of grace.And along the lines of #2, when the two types of chosen are not clearly seen, then other covenants such as the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic covenant and so forth are confused with the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant). when the "Jews" could not keep the Old Covenant, the improper assumption is that the others go out the window and enjoyed by "faithful" people instead.The Abrahamic, Davidic, and similar covenants are to a race of people, whereas the Old Covenant and New Covenant has to do with personal relationship to and with God. They both work together, but there is nothing that says in the Bible where a Law Breaker will not become many nations, or will not have Davidic Kings. The blessings would be withheld, but not taken away from the race of people.So, to conclude, when I hear that the Jew is the chosen people of God, yes that is true, by race. However, if said that they are chosen of grace, then they only obtain that the way everyone else does. It is possible to be a chosen people of God and still go to hell. Therefore, one has to stop equating chosen= salvation. That is not always true.
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This is one of those threads where the same topic gets brought up time and time again to the point of argumentum ad nauseam.The whole point of the debate regarding whether the Jews are some of God's chosen people or not rests on two overlooked things:1. Failure to see the difference between the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 2. failure to understand there is a chosen of race, and there's a chosen of grace.And along the lines of #2, when the two types of chosen are not clearly seen, then other covenants such as the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic covenant and so forth are confused with the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant). when the "Jews" could not keep the Old Covenant, the improper assumption is that the others go out the window and enjoyed by "faithful" people instead.The Abrahamic, Davidic, and similar covenants are to a race of people, whereas the Old Covenant and New Covenant has to do with personal relationship to and with God. They both work together, but there is nothing that says in the Bible where a Law Breaker will not become many nations, or will not have Davidic Kings. The blessings would be withheld, but not taken away from the race of people.So, to conclude, when I hear that the Jew is the chosen people of God, yes that is true, by race. However, if said that they are chosen of grace, then they only obtain that the way everyone else does. It is possible to be a chosen people of God and still go to hell. Therefore, one has to stop equating chosen= salvation. That is not always true.
Nice post there Tim. When I hear that Jews aren't chosen people. I tend to go chosen by race. Without the chosen of race, we would not have a Saviour to be born and to die on the cross for our sins. And He was bron and He did die as He is the Saviour of the world.
This is one of those threads where the same topic gets brought up time and time again to the point of argumentum ad nauseam.The whole point of the debate regarding whether the Jews are some of God's chosen people or not rests on two overlooked things:1. Failure to see the difference between the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 2. failure to understand there is a chosen of race, and there's a chosen of grace.And along the lines of #2, when the two types of chosen are not clearly seen, then other covenants such as the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic covenant and so forth are confused with the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant). when the "Jews" could not keep the Old Covenant, the improper assumption is that the others go out the window and enjoyed by "faithful" people instead.The Abrahamic, Davidic, and similar covenants are to a race of people, whereas the Old Covenant and New Covenant has to do with personal relationship to and with God. They both work together, but there is nothing that says in the Bible where a Law Breaker will not become many nations, or will not have Davidic Kings. The blessings would be withheld, but not taken away from the race of people.So, to conclude, when I hear that the Jew is the chosen people of God, yes that is true, by race. However, if said that they are chosen of grace, then they only obtain that the way everyone else does. It is possible to be a chosen people of God and still go to hell. Therefore, one has to stop equating chosen= salvation. That is not always true.
Nice post there Tim. When I hear that Jews aren't chosen people. I tend to go chosen by race. Without the chosen of race, we would not have a Saviour to be born and to die on the cross for our sins. And He was bron and He did die as He is the Saviour of the world.
(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
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And along the lines of #2, when the two types of chosen are not clearly seen, then other covenants such as the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic covenant and so forth are confused with the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant). when the "Jews" could not keep the Old Covenant,
God has never made a Covenant with the "Jews" as they were in as it is historically and biblically incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or even a Hebrew a "Jew". The "Jews" were descendants of Esau/Edom who were converted, like the contempory "Jew" today is an Ashkenaz convert to Talmudic Phariseeism, todays Jews are known to have come from the Southern Russian Middle Age Empire of Khazaria which was converted to Talmudic Phariseeism in 700 AD. The old Khazarian legend is that they came from Mt Seir in Edom. The Esau/Edom "Jews" migrated into Judea where their getto was called Idumea, in 136 BC John Hycranus converted the Edomites into not the true religion of the Israelites- those that were descended from Jacob and whom God did have Covenant with, but the Edomite Jews were converted into the Jerusalem Temple Religion which was corrupted and Babylonian in origin and nature. These Jews had no relationship whatsoever to King David or Solomon. The Edomites were converted into the old Babylonian Talmudic religion and within 100 years they were in complete control of the Temple and Jerusalem - the wolves had been let in again.These are those that have been assigned the name "judean" which they were in a geographical sense dwelling in the land of Judah, but they were not of Judah not Israelite, they were residents of Judea. The name Edomite has been purposely obscured throughout history for they usurped the name - "Judean" to claim the birthright and inheritance of the true sons of Judah..."Judeans" has been translated into the word "ghy" and the finally "Jew".I do not like the sound of this post. Easu is not a Jew. Esau grandfather is Abraham. As Abraham became the father of many nations. Abraham is an Israelite. Israel will never be Jews, but the House of Israel contains Judah (Jews) in it.(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
(tim_from_pa;67431)
The Abrahamic, Davidic, and similar covenants are to a race of people, whereas the Old Covenant and New Covenant has to do with personal relationship to and with God.
New Covenant is foretold in Jeramiah 31:31 and confirmed in Hebrews 8:8.In order to have that new covenant, God needed a chosen race which are Jews, starting with Adam. (Genesis 3:15, Genesis 5, Luke 3:23-38) in which Lord Jesus Christ have to be born from.(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
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So, to conclude, when I hear that the Jew is the chosen people of God, yes that is true, by race.
It is impossible that either todays "jews" or the Edomites of the Herodian Temple are the Chosen People, the Chosen are descended from Jacob/Israel they are the House of Israel that was given a new name Isaiah 62:1,2 and a new land other than Canaan land 2 Samuel 7:10 without walls or gates, Ezekiel 38:8 and was to be many Nations that would carry the gospel to the ends of the earth, Isaiah 49:3-6. Modern day "Israel" is an illegal military state with walls and gates in old Canaan land without the gospel and with the wrong name, but they are usurpers who are correctly prophecised by Christ in Rev. 2:9.Judah (today's Jews) are referred to prophecy, but they will never be the Jews of Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
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However, if said that they are chosen of grace, then they only obtain that the way everyone else does.
Christ says that they search the sciptures in vain and that the "Jews" cannot hear His voice for the truth is not in them, it is impossible for a true racial "Jew" to be a Christian.These Jews you are speaking from it's not from our brother Judah. These are the sons through Cain from Satan. (Genesis 3:15)(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
(tim_from_pa;67431)
It is possible to be a chosen people of God and still go to hell.
No, God never casts away His people who are true Israelites, if they are true Israelite than they would be Christian fo Christ came for the House of Israel and He succeeded in claiming all that is rightfully His. He lost none of His sheep.Quite frankly, don't use Jews and Israelite interchangeably. They are different. And Jews and Israelite (Christians) will unite to make the House of Israel as Ezekiel 37 prophesied for the future.
(tim_from_pa;67431)
And along the lines of #2, when the two types of chosen are not clearly seen, then other covenants such as the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic covenant and so forth are confused with the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant). when the "Jews" could not keep the Old Covenant,
God has never made a Covenant with the "Jews" as they were in as it is historically and biblically incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or even a Hebrew a "Jew". The "Jews" were descendants of Esau/Edom who were converted, like the contempory "Jew" today is an Ashkenaz convert to Talmudic Phariseeism, todays Jews are known to have come from the Southern Russian Middle Age Empire of Khazaria which was converted to Talmudic Phariseeism in 700 AD. The old Khazarian legend is that they came from Mt Seir in Edom. The Esau/Edom "Jews" migrated into Judea where their getto was called Idumea, in 136 BC John Hycranus converted the Edomites into not the true religion of the Israelites- those that were descended from Jacob and whom God did have Covenant with, but the Edomite Jews were converted into the Jerusalem Temple Religion which was corrupted and Babylonian in origin and nature. These Jews had no relationship whatsoever to King David or Solomon. The Edomites were converted into the old Babylonian Talmudic religion and within 100 years they were in complete control of the Temple and Jerusalem - the wolves had been let in again.These are those that have been assigned the name "judean" which they were in a geographical sense dwelling in the land of Judah, but they were not of Judah not Israelite, they were residents of Judea. The name Edomite has been purposely obscured throughout history for they usurped the name - "Judean" to claim the birthright and inheritance of the true sons of Judah..."Judeans" has been translated into the word "ghy" and the finally "Jew".I do not like the sound of this post. Easu is not a Jew. Esau grandfather is Abraham. As Abraham became the father of many nations. Abraham is an Israelite. Israel will never be Jews, but the House of Israel contains Judah (Jews) in it.(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
(tim_from_pa;67431)
The Abrahamic, Davidic, and similar covenants are to a race of people, whereas the Old Covenant and New Covenant has to do with personal relationship to and with God.
New Covenant is foretold in Jeramiah 31:31 and confirmed in Hebrews 8:8.In order to have that new covenant, God needed a chosen race which are Jews, starting with Adam. (Genesis 3:15, Genesis 5, Luke 3:23-38) in which Lord Jesus Christ have to be born from.(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
(tim_from_pa;67431)
So, to conclude, when I hear that the Jew is the chosen people of God, yes that is true, by race.
It is impossible that either todays "jews" or the Edomites of the Herodian Temple are the Chosen People, the Chosen are descended from Jacob/Israel they are the House of Israel that was given a new name Isaiah 62:1,2 and a new land other than Canaan land 2 Samuel 7:10 without walls or gates, Ezekiel 38:8 and was to be many Nations that would carry the gospel to the ends of the earth, Isaiah 49:3-6. Modern day "Israel" is an illegal military state with walls and gates in old Canaan land without the gospel and with the wrong name, but they are usurpers who are correctly prophecised by Christ in Rev. 2:9.Judah (today's Jews) are referred to prophecy, but they will never be the Jews of Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
(tim_from_pa;67431)
However, if said that they are chosen of grace, then they only obtain that the way everyone else does.
Christ says that they search the sciptures in vain and that the "Jews" cannot hear His voice for the truth is not in them, it is impossible for a true racial "Jew" to be a Christian.These Jews you are speaking from it's not from our brother Judah. These are the sons through Cain from Satan. (Genesis 3:15)(Cup-of-Ruin;67536)
(tim_from_pa;67431)
It is possible to be a chosen people of God and still go to hell.
No, God never casts away His people who are true Israelites, if they are true Israelite than they would be Christian fo Christ came for the House of Israel and He succeeded in claiming all that is rightfully His. He lost none of His sheep.Quite frankly, don't use Jews and Israelite interchangeably. They are different. And Jews and Israelite (Christians) will unite to make the House of Israel as Ezekiel 37 prophesied for the future.
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According to the Historical sources the "Jews" by their own addmission are descended from Esau.
These posts are the opposite extremes of lost tribes teaching. There's lost tribe teaching that goes around that says that the British and Americans are the lost house of Israel (which I believe is correct) but claim that the Jews are no longer Judah (I don't believe that to be correct at all). As a matter of fact, the bible prophesied that the Judah would be known, but the house of Israel unknown. If God allowed impostors in its place then that would make that prophecy false. In addition, Judah was to keep the law, and again if Edomites are doing that in their place and Judah is in reality unknown and lost like Israel, then God would be a liar. Judah was also to be taunted and persecuted (which I see is going on here) by her enemies and have no geographical region of their own that they could call home, but rather wanderers over the world. Why would any impostor in their right mind would want to take the name of God's people and then be killed such as in the holocaust? Knowing man's true nature, the truth of their identity would come out soon enough when torture is involved, like a prisoner confessing when he's tortured. Instead, I see the opposite. The whole idea of another identity makes no logical sense whatsoever.As with any such teaching, I'm getting to be a little gun shy these days because people want to group you with someone that teaches likewise. Since I believe in the lost tribes, I've heard people say, "Oh, you must be part of A's group, or pastor M's group, or GS's group or whoever else." No, not really. They may have some (and notice I said some) good teaching, but I am on my own. It seems that people want to swing to one extreme or the other. Most Christians believe the Jews are Israelites, but then when I point out that is not all the case, then we have those groups who would swing the pendulum in the other way and claim that no Jews are from Judah or Israel. I often wonder who they are following and who brainwashed them. I prefer to remain in the middle until all evidence comes in.Here's an Orthodox Jew who has an excellent site and explains on the same order I did as to why the Jews are Judah. If one navigates around the site somewhat, He answers other questions involving different types and locations of Jews as well.>>>http://www.britam.org/judah.html
These posts are the opposite extremes of lost tribes teaching. There's lost tribe teaching that goes around that says that the British and Americans are the lost house of Israel (which I believe is correct) but claim that the Jews are no longer Judah (I don't believe that to be correct at all). As a matter of fact, the bible prophesied that the Judah would be known, but the house of Israel unknown. If God allowed impostors in its place then that would make that prophecy false. In addition, Judah was to keep the law, and again if Edomites are doing that in their place and Judah is in reality unknown and lost like Israel, then God would be a liar. Judah was also to be taunted and persecuted (which I see is going on here) by her enemies and have no geographical region of their own that they could call home, but rather wanderers over the world. Why would any impostor in their right mind would want to take the name of God's people and then be killed such as in the holocaust? Knowing man's true nature, the truth of their identity would come out soon enough when torture is involved, like a prisoner confessing when he's tortured. Instead, I see the opposite. The whole idea of another identity makes no logical sense whatsoever.As with any such teaching, I'm getting to be a little gun shy these days because people want to group you with someone that teaches likewise. Since I believe in the lost tribes, I've heard people say, "Oh, you must be part of A's group, or pastor M's group, or GS's group or whoever else." No, not really. They may have some (and notice I said some) good teaching, but I am on my own. It seems that people want to swing to one extreme or the other. Most Christians believe the Jews are Israelites, but then when I point out that is not all the case, then we have those groups who would swing the pendulum in the other way and claim that no Jews are from Judah or Israel. I often wonder who they are following and who brainwashed them. I prefer to remain in the middle until all evidence comes in.Here's an Orthodox Jew who has an excellent site and explains on the same order I did as to why the Jews are Judah. If one navigates around the site somewhat, He answers other questions involving different types and locations of Jews as well.>>>http://www.britam.org/judah.html
It is incorrect to assume that all those living in Judea at the time of Christ were Israelites, the truth is that the true Israelites were marginlised and persucuted by the Edomites who were not of the House of Israel.(Quote) ............You are speaking of the kenites/ tares that lived near among the Jews yes many were among the Pharisees /Saducees and were in fact responsable for enginering Christs death but you can not assume the are all Edomites... as Edom was scattered they were from many tribes including the cannites and others ..In the New Testament they are called tares and though we are told some are/will be claiming to be Jews .... Ishmael is the father of the Arabs I suggest The Palistians along with other Arab enemies of Judah and Israel who claim the same father Abraham, are in fact the N. Testament Kenites/ they are called "tares"Futher more I assure you there are just as many tares in Christianity, who also claim Abraham as their Father, as there are among Jews and Arabs ...What is their fruit ..they work against God and his people
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