Men, Can you Tell If Other Men Are Good-Looking?

A_Man · Nov 14, 2019

Sabertooth said:
They made no attempt to feminize his chest (like a drag queen or trans), but his face still struck me as feminine.

I remember seeing one of the Apple Dumpling Gang movies as a kid, and in one scene, some men dressed as women as a disguise. I've always found that ugly and outright repulsive., even from childhood. I never got how that was supposed to be funny, though it shows up as a bit in sit comes and comedy movies. Now it is even encouraged.

A_Man · Nov 14, 2019

Sabertooth said:
In just the body department, I have no interest in their sexual parts, but if they are well-built, I would wonder what it would take to have similar build myself. Usually, it involves a bigger time commitment than I am willing to invest.

My brother-in-law was telling me that the weight of muscle strains one's heart is just as bad as the same weight in fat does. So bulk seems to have a down side.

When I was 9, I saw He-Man toys and thought it would be cool to be strong like that. But it isn't the same sort of thing as finding someone good-looking like I can perceive a woman as good-looking.

Sabertooth · Nov 14, 2019

I would probably excuse Some Like It Hot (1959), Tootsie (1982) & Mrs. Doubtfire (1993), for context. Their schemes blew up in their faces. And they remained guys in the end.

(Being a doctor, you may already know this trick. In my study of medical illustration, I can readily identify a cross-dresser just by looking at his arms.)

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2019

A_Man said:
But it isn't the same sort of thing as finding someone good-looking like I can perceive a woman as good-looking.

As an artist, I take on an asexual frame of mind. It doesn't become as compelling as how I see women, normally, and even my perception of beauty in women broadens somewhat. It is very compartmental.

As a guardian/caregiver for my non-verbal, 25yo daughter, I sometimes have to adopt a feminine frame of mind in order to empathize with her feminine issues, as they occur. I do not seek to stay in that mindset otherwise.

In the same way, I don't watch certain movies for their graphic violence, but if a body is on a medical examiner's table, I seem to be able to switch into an "objective" mode (along with the ME).

A_Man · Nov 15, 2019

Sabertooth said:
In the same way, I don't watch certain movies for their graphic violence, but if a body is on a medical examiner's table, I seem to be able to switch into an "objective" mode (along with the ME).

Sabertooth said:
As a guardian/caregiver for my non-verbal, 25yo daughter, I sometimes have to adopt a feminine frame of mind in order to empathize with her feminine issues, as they occur. I do not seek to stay in that mindset otherwise.

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Btw, I am not a medical doctor, but I did play one on TV. I should have played an actor, because it would be cooler to say, "I am not an actor, but I played one on TV."

That expression does not resonate with me. Men can be empathetic and understanding, too. that is not an exclusively feminine domain. Since you are not a woman, you would not know what a feminine frame of mind is anyway.

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2019

A_Man said:
Since you are not a woman, you would not know what a feminine frame of mind is anyway.

Informed by my wife and my daughter's doctor, I have a sense of menstrual issues and trying to get a proper fitting bra (things that I really didn't have to think about before).

Here is the distinct difference between male & female arms.
Have the person place their arms by their sides with their palms facing forward.

Male shoulders, elbows & wrists will form a straight line.
Female elbows will not be on the line between their shoulders & wrists. Many women can't see that when they look down, but it is pretty obvious in a mirror.

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

Sabertooth said:
Once when waiting to get into a parking spot, a younger guy behind me was getting bugged that he had to wait for me. He called out about something to do with my driving and referred to me as a "Romeo." I do not primp, and my clothes are usually T-shirts & jeans. I have no metro inclinations whatsoever. The way he said it sounded like he was a little jealous of me (not perversely interested). I have been called a lot of things, but that was the first and only time that a guy has ever called me a "Romeo" and been jealous of my looks...!?

I get hit on by women from time-to-time, but not so often that it goes to my head.

narf!

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

A_Man said:
Since you are not a woman, you would not know what a feminine frame of mind is anyway.

so you say, but i suggest that emotions might be deemed the feminine, at least by others. We are two (men) in a bed, right. A woman's desire shall be for her man and all that. The two shall become one

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
I’ve seen photos of you on Facebook before you removed them. And one with your mum

hmm, dont remember removing any? Is that even possible on FB? I'll go look. But i do recall posting the mom and me pic, some aflac meeting i think it was, seems like i hadnt been a member here long? Man, that seems like ten years ago now

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

Enoch111 said:
You might need to see a shrink. For most people, it is not rocket science to assess the appearance of others. A glance is sufficient.

yikes, alrighty then. Fwiw pEnoch that is a bell-curve thing like most everything else i guess...i actually have an intensely hard time telling ppl apart, prolly similar to how other races appear to most ppl? I have the same issue with my race, why i could not begin to say

Enoch111 said:
There is a huge difference between men perceiving other men as *attractive* (a homosexual orientation) and men seen other men as either (a) good looking or (b) not so good looking. That just takes a glance. On the other hand, homosexuality is an aberration -- a sexual perversion -- condemned in the Bible.

again you might think so, but i suggest that that has been tailored to your perceptions by scribes, and is likely untrue in both a correct literal, and a spiritual reading; homosexuality is not listed among the sins of Sodom, for beginners. "Bed kitten" or in our idiom "hedonist" is likely a much more apt literal xlation, at least imo.

i know this wont make you so comfortable, but you might contemplate your dislike of homosexuality in this context, and see that it could possibly be installed for just that reason? And fwiw i mostly share it, or at least shared it, and while it still makes me pretty uncomfortable i have come to believe this was culturally installed; for that matter pdas among heteros are not very appealing either right

also, one born with both sets of parts, i mean where do you fall on judging their sexuality? So i cant help but suspect our prejudices were installed, and are now being used against us?

i think we have already been around this bush, but would you go looking for literal whores at
prophets gone a'whoring?
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you may certainly take these as perspectives ok, or ignore them, i know you arent much on back and forth conversations

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
why i could not begin to say

That is known as prosopagnosia, a.k.a. face-blindness. It is common among autistics (like me). I have a milder version. (That is why I keep a "head" collection.)

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

Sabertooth said:
That is known as prosopagnosia, a.k.a. face-blindness. It is common among autistics (like me). I have a milder version. (That is why I keep a "head" collection.)

a head collection? i would like to hear more on that if you would. I have learned to verify ppl by their feet or ears lol

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
homosexuality is not listed among the sins of Sodom,

Trying to rape angels didn't help their case.

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
a head collection? i would like to hear more on that if you would.

Male
Female

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

Sabertooth said:
Trying to rape angels didn't help their case.

ha well true...but arg i gotta tell ya theres another interp for that that clicks too good tomnot cintain truth, and i would not pay too much attn to the literal interp there, at least myself, now. Although i certainly understand if someone else does. It is a shadow of the real story though i think.

ok, almost to Glenwood Springs woo-hoo, back home after 9 years! Leaving Denver now, holler at yall tomorrow. I finally get to train it east to west on the Cali Zephyr through RMNP! Ill send pitchers

Josho · Nov 15, 2019

Weird thread. I guess you have to have one of every kind on a forum though.

My answer though as a man, wouldn't it be great to grow a beard like Phil Robertson or Jase Robertson or Chris Stapleton, and wouldn't it be great to grow a mustache like Brooks & Dunn, or some famous Aussie Cricketer. I think these men set high standards for facial hair.

I don't have much problems with growing beards, but keep it trimmed for professional reasons, but I am working on the mustache, and that is so slow growing.

Hopefully it will grow into a proper mustache soon though.

Anyway I haven't shaven completely for a couple of years now.

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
i would not pay too much attn to the literal interp there,...

I believe it to be literal. The ruins of S&G were discovered by Ron Wyatt in 1989.

The Remains of Sodom and Gomorrah (Documentary)

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

Sabertooth said:
Male

Female

so this helps you somehow? i dont quite get it i guess

bbyrd009 · Nov 15, 2019

Sabertooth said:
I believe it to be literal. The ruins of S&G were discovered by Ron Wyatt in 1989.

The Remains of Sodom and Gomorrah (Documentary)

ah well i dodnt mean to imply that S&G was not a literal place, nor that the story is not based on some reality; but that after forty years of accepting the literal story as the whole story, i am now convinced it is like telling little kids that babies come from mommy's tummy or something...a shadow of the truth iow. A weak shadow even.
"
Sodom extended its hospitality to Lot, the nephew of Abraham, but the men of Sodom famously took their hospitality duties to allow the rape of Lot's visitors (Genesis 19:5). The proverbial "sin of Sodom," however, was not, as is often understood, of a sexual nature but rather that it had "abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy" (Ezekiel 16:49).

In the New Testament the name Sodom (Σοδομα, Sodoma) appears either in illustrative recounts of the old story (LUKE 17:29, 2 PETER 2:6, JUDE 1:7) or else is evoked to illustrate sin that's bad nonetheless but still royally surpassed by the generation of Christ (MATTHEW 10:15, 11:23). The name Sodom appears 10 times in the New Testament; SEE FULL NEW TESTAMENT CONCORDANCE..."
The amazing name Sodom: meaning and etymology

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Gomorrah is a city that went down with Sodom, Admah, and Zeboiim (Genesis 19; Deuteronomy 29:23).

We hear first of Gomorrah in the War of Four Against Five Kings, when king Amraphel of Shinar and three of his royal friends waged war against king Birsha of Gomorrah and four of his associates (Genesis 14:2).

In the New Testament, the city of Gomorrah (Γομορρα) is mentioned 5 times in reference to its demise due to the evil that went on in there (SEE FULL NEW TESTAMENT CONCORDANCE)..." which i guess really has all of the refs one needs to figure it out embedded...not meaning to be coy here, but it's just not a story one can blurt the conclusion out and be understood without understanding the situation then. But when it comes together, it comes all the way together imo

and while the Abarim are usually the spiritual bellwhethers interp-wise imo, they only offer hints in this case, not sure why. Ha well i guess for the same reason i am not giving it away lol. They have phrased the opening of "Sodom" ideally though i guess.

Note bolded, mine, and i really wouldnt wanna discuss (argue) this too much further until we have established that 10 and 5 have symbolic meaning, and what that meaning is, etc, and have also come to a basic understanding of the war of 4 against 5, but briefly the "angels" have a corrollary irl, as do the "hosts," and obv "blindness" and even "stumbling at the door" might be metaphorical, etc.

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
so this helps you somehow? i dont quite get it i guess

I can recognize familiar faces, but I can't draw them from memory.
I can draw a nondescript human face, but not a consistent face for a given character.
Particular faces are easier for me to draw consistently, if I have a model in front of me.
A variety of such faces can be used to model different characters in the same way.

My trumpeter figure was so modeled.

Men, Can you Tell If Other Men Are Good-Looking?

Men, can you tell if other men are good-looking?

Not at all.

I have a slightest sense of it.

I can tell, I think, but not to the degree women can.

Yes, I can perceive that another man is good-looking.

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