(chris redfield;68718)
I thought God's chosen people are the ones following Him right now.
who said they werent ?
I thought God's chosen people are the ones following Him right now.
who said they werent ?
Who are the chosen people of God ?
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I am not going to read all the post but I am going to throw this out. I believe the chosen people is everyone. I mean people who truly follow god and go down the path that God has set out for them.
Christ uses a special word to describe them : the Elect. The book "Hind's Feet on High Places" describes the Shepherd (Christ) as seeing His flock as how they ultimately will become, and as Christ died for all, thus all are now His people (Elect). We shall forever more be with the Lord in the air.
Who are the children of the Devil? And who are those who shall spend eternity in Hell?
Ultimately, need there be? According to Christ's ultimate sacrifice, there needn't be, and as such should we conform.
You are ignoring a LOT of Scripture.
Matthew 13:49-50 (NKJV)
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Then, by all means, Duckybill, get to work - you'll gnash just trying.
That passage shows how the infinite God (no beginning, no end) deals with things - unless you are He, I suggest you stay on His good side.
That idea is called Universalism. It's an idea that twists God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ with assuming that 'wickedness' can co-exist in His Kingdom with no one going in the "lake of fire".
When the coming tribulation begins, and Christ's true Elect are delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, that's when Universalists are going discover how they've been misled.
Christ only taught "Elect", and that is His gold, so named due to His Salvific work. He makes no distinction, nor is there need of 'true' Elect, as the Elect are the same as "the few are chosen" - before Christ died for us, we were (and forever shall be) "the many called", as is the case for the everlasting Elect.
Figure that Christ had a small window of time to show the everlasting depth of His reign - He did not treat with disdain the fruit of His labor.
To speak of 'true' Elect is like trying to show that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son, when Christ only taught that He proceeds from the Father.
Though there have been universalists in devotion, I don't arrive at my conclusions specifically as a student of such councils. On the day He was crucified He said, "Where I am going, you cannot come." And only He who has come down from heaven can go up to heaven. On His way back up He went to hell for three days, even a minimal three days - but that was His first stop, so we cannot go to hell - He forbids it, He even says "I have set up a boundary not to be passed." Then is it seen in fulfillment "He shall save His people from their sins.", for all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Are you saying you don't believe what Jesus said?
Matthew 13:49-50 (NKJV)
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And who are these?
Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Not at all, but the topic is "who are the chosen people of God", not "who are not the chosen people of God".
Concerning your quote of Matthew, it is also written that one will not come out until one has paid the last penny.
As for Revelation, it is best read.
Punishment in the fire is "everlasting, eternal, and unquenchable". That's NT.
That is a description of the place, but you have no more power to go there than to go to heaven - and you need a special ticket from Christ either way, that ticket being that Christ died for all souls, the Feast of November 2nd.
When one stops to think how Christ spoke of the resurrection, which includes the last things, He states firmly that one will find their soul as reward - and this reward is such that none of us deserve, the gift of eternal life having been freely given at Calvary - the soul is the vessel which, ultimately, only God can fill, and this I currently know from experience.
Middle class Americans have lawn mowers and weed whackers for tools, Christ has the Holy Spirit and fire. If Revelation warns not to add nor detract, take that as a lesson and leave the sorting to Him, but let the record show that Christ has saved all, else you make Him to have died in vain.
The New Covenant through Christ Jesus' Blood shed on the cross is a contract between two parties. Christ offers His Salvation to all, but not all want it. And there's the rub.
That's why it is wrong to say things that Christ has saved all souls, for that is not true, for He will only save those who turn to The Father through Him. Those who refuse Him, they will be gone with the devil in final, but not by my wishful thinking, but according to what God has already declared in His Word.
Sure, but ONLY those who believe and obey will be saved from the eternal fire.
If you are preaching that everyone will be saved that is Satanic deception. Every one who preaches such a false message will have the blood of sinners on their hands on Judgment Day. Salvation is ONLY for those who repent.
John 3:16 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
It pleased the Father to give the Son - that's the contract, and the Son was visibly grieved, "in torments He died". Christ has given direct order to eat and drink of His Body and Blood. Not knowing of It, no one ever wanted it, nor should one suffer the want, but to reject Christ is to bring down fire upon one's own head.
"No one comes to Me unless the Father call Him." and no one is saved except through Christ, so it is not initially if one turns to Christ, but whether the Father calls one to Christ. The Feast of All Saints (Nov. 1) has become something of a slobbering of the grotesque, should one expect any better treatment for the Feast of All Souls (Nov. 2)? If you do not see that Christ died for all souls, I say you do not see Christ.
Everyone has been saved one day at Calvary - all others shall conform.
Not Bible.
Matthew 25:46 (NKJV)
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Luke 23
[sup]39[/sup] Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”
[sup]40[/sup] But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? [sup]41[/sup] And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” [sup]42[/sup] Then he said to Jesus, “Lord,[sup][k][/sup] remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
[sup]43[/sup] And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Certainly if all were as Edward Palamar asserts, Jesus would have said ~you both~, but the one was speaking to JESUS in the singular (not ~remember us~), and JESUS was speaking to the one in the singular (not ~you both~).
Thus where Duckybill proclaims the TRUTH of Scripture, others spin their deceptions so that they might take along others to the penalty which awaits them.
BibleScribe
Are you what was asked of Forrest?
We are involved in the testimony of that discussion, exactly are recorded by all proper -- and dare I say LEGAL -- standards?
Tell your demonic spirit to depart.
BibleScribe
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