Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

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amadeus

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if you walk out your front door and start living life like a dream, you start to get an idea i guess. living like that all the time tho yikes
Like a dream? My life, that is the time I spend doing things as a man of flesh as per your example when I walk out the front door sometimes remind me of what I am and what I am not. This past year without that tangible church group to which I did belong I thought I would be lost, but considering that they being the best place in my experience, since leaving formal Catholicism in 1961, still missed by so far from what I would hope to expect from God's people as to leave me... but no, I won't say that. Yes, simply put, my life as a man is like a dream except when I know that I am with God.
 

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Hi John,
The only "truth" out there is Christ...very difficult to discern who is speaking the truth anymore.
"Trust no man"!! <--- We learn the hard way...at least, I did :cool:
Yes, we have learned the hard way, but sometimes when I have let myself drift into even some of my old ways, there I am again trusting when there is a real reason NOT to trust. I was never able to get from man what I was always hoping to find when I walked only as a man of flesh with no understandable connection with God. However, once I began my own times with the Lord, I am now at times able to find more with men than I ever while in my carnal ways. That is the truth... and yes, I mean what you mean when I use that word: truth=the Word =Jesus. So simple, but so very complicated.
 
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Everything on this webpage that I've mentioned is connected with the fraud of Zionism, a cruel hoax perpetrated upon the American people by the International Banking Cabal, Wall Street, Freemasons and Kabbalistic Khazarian Jews and the Satanic religion of orthodox Judaism. That's why I expose Zionism as much as I do. It is at the core of everything unholy that's destroying America today. It is Zionist Hollywood that it corrupting our culture and runing families, promoting violence and sexual immorality.

As noted in the book, “In Search of Anti-Semitism,” by Leonard Dinnerstein, former U.S. President Nixon acknowledged the Jewish Media Barons influence in America. President Nixon said:

“Politicians are often controlled by the media ... People have to realize that the Jews in the U.S. control the entire information and propaganda machine, the large newspapers, the motion pictures, radio and television, and the big companies. And there is a force that we have to take into consideration.”

Now you know why they ousted Nixon as President. He was too honest, which is why the Nazi CIA killed John F. Kennedy.

The Christ-blaspheming Talmud is the Devil's Bible! The Washington Monument is a giant erect male phallus, the symbol of occult power. Freemasons are penis-worshippers! Freemasonry, Judaism and Mormonism are all rooted (or should I say, rotted) in Zionist Kabbalah and demonic mysticism. If you have difficulty grasping the truths I am am telling you, consider again the predominant infestation of the Obama administration in The White House with Goldman Sachs (Wall Street) insiders. The term “Military Industrial Complex” refers to the criminal relationship between Wall Street, The White House and The Pentagon. If Wall Street controls The White House, then they control the U.S. military. THAT'S HORRIFYING!!! In fact, it was Wall Street Zionists who exploited The White House and The Pentagon to demonize, invade and overthrow Afghanistan and Iraq.

Few Christians have any idea how messed up everything is. Here's an article about how the music industry is controlled by the controlling elite. Read the truth about the entertainment industry. If you just open your eyes and pay attention to all the occult symbols surrounding you in American society, you'll begin to wake up. Look on the back of any U.S. one-dollar bill!!! My I say, it is not unreasonable that most Christians are woefully naive about this stuff, because they are called “Secret Societies” for a very good reason, that is, they are hidden (secret) from the public's eye. We don't see the hidden powers controlling Washington D.C. at every level. Please just consider all the information I give you, and then form your own conclusions. Zionism is a Satanic work of darkness!

I Care About You and Don't Want You to be Deceived by the Devil

I'm doing my best with God's help to share what I've learned with others. I certainly don't have all the answers, but the King James Bible DOES have all the answers. Please don't support “THE GREAT WHORE” by supporting present-day apostate Israel. This has nothing to do with true Israel. I am a supporter of God's Israel, but that nation won't be restored until Christ's Second Coming, when a believing remnant of Israel fears God and seeks the Lord as Hosea 3:4-5 teaches. Zionism is not about anti-Semitism, but anti-corruption and fraud. If you are Jewish I love you! If you are African-American I love you. If you are Arab I love you. If you are Eskimo I love you. I love you all in the Lord, whoever you may be; and I mean that, which is why I work so hard to help others, labouring day-and-night in the Lord, and praying always for my web visitors.

I don't like exposing false prophets or falsehoods, but I do LOVE THE TRUTH. 2nd Thessalonians 2:10, “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” Carefully notice in the preceding Scripture that the first step to being saved is to accept THE TRUTH. If you don't want to hear the Gospel truth, then you can never be saved. I've knocked on many doors while soul-winning, just to have a door slammed in my face. You have to want the truth before it can benefit you. Many believers are closed-minded. It's a wonder how they ever got saved. In Hosea 4:6, people often quote the first part of the verse about God's people people destroyed for lack of knowledge, but if you read the second half, it says that God's people deliberately REJECTED that knowledge from God. You literally have to not want the truth these days to remain ignorant with all the information that we have available.

Here again is our text verse, which tells us that the Devil (Satan) is DECEIVING THE WHOLE WORLD!!! ...

Revelation 12:9, “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

Please don't be deceived. THE END

Lots of food for thought INDEED. God Bless.
 
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Yes, we have learned the hard way, but sometimes when I have let myself drift into even some of my old ways, there I am again trusting when there is a real reason NOT to trust. I was never able to get from man what I was always hoping to find when I walked only as a man of flesh with no understandable connection with God. However, once I began my own times with the Lord, I am now at times able to find more with men than I ever while in my carnal ways. That is the truth... and yes, I mean what you mean when I use that word: truth=the Word =Jesus. So simple, but so very complicated.

"I was never able to get from man what I was always hoping to find when I walked only as a man of flesh with no understandable" connection with God."

This reminds me of a great sermon one of our pastors gave 2 summers ago in a series called "Psalms for Summer". He is our youngest pastor and I was blown away. I must have watched it about 4 times. He speaks about how so many people, Christians as well as un-believers, continually try to fill their own cisterns with sex, booze and all the worldly things that to many, think will one day fill them up and satisfy them. Then he goes on to talk about God's cup that over flows and never leaves you empty. We get little teasing tastes of the worldly things because our cisterns are full of holes. It was a great sermon and I would love if everybody saw it, especially the younger generation.
The takeaway was, "look at obedience as a gateway to all pleasures at His right hand" or something like that. Such truth in all he said and to me, it was a wow sermon. I would share it in the inbox if interested :)
 
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Like a dream? My life, that is the time I spend doing things as a man of flesh as per your example when I walk out the front door sometimes remind me of what I am and what I am not. This past year without that tangible church group to which I did belong I thought I would be lost, but considering that they being the best place in my experience, since leaving formal Catholicism in 1961, still missed by so far from what I would hope to expect from God's people as to leave me... but no, I won't say that. Yes, simply put, my life as a man is like a dream except when I know that I am with God.
ah, so. well a i will tell you that if you eat at home and consider those Love Feasts and stop calling them "Church" you just never know ya know :)
 
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Disclaimer: I have not studied the end times in-depth but God has been slowly opening my eyes to the truth of what is really happening in the world.

I've spoken with friends who are waiting for the temple to rebuilt in fulfillment of prophecy, but just this year I've come across pastors who claim to have been former Zionists, and who believe that Christians loyalty to the nation of Israel is misplaced.

I began wondering if a lot of pastors got it wrong and Christians have been dangerously deceived. Here is an article I read:

Why The Heresy Of Zionism Is So Dangerous To Christians

by David J. Stewart

Revelation 12:9, “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

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I wanted to write this article to explain why I regularly expose the dangerous heresy of Zionism, to make sure no one mistakes my intentions as being racism against the Jewish ethnicity. I love all people in Christ Jesus, Whose Holy Spirit indwells me as a child of God (1st Corinthians 3:16-17; Romans 8:9; 1st John 3:24). I love Arab people. I love Jewish people. The truth is that everyone needs the Lord Jesus Christ, Jew and Gentile alike. The false teaching of Zionism is not about the Jews; but rather, a Satanic counterfeit of the Jews, Israel and Jesus Christ. Revelation 2:9, “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

Zionism (both political and religious) is the false doctrine which says that present-day Israel is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, to restore the Jews to the Promised Land. Biblically, the nation of Israel (true Israel) will not be restored until the Jews return to the Lord, which hasn't happened yet. Hosea 3:4-5, “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.” Israel has been without a king, without a prince, without a sacrifice and nation for the past 1900 years.

Ah, but in the latter days, at the close of the 7-year Tribulation, a remnant of believing Israel will fear God and seek the Lord Jesus Christ, the true Messiah. At that time, Christ Himself will establish once again the legitimate true nation of Israel, and restore Abraham's seed to the Promised Land. Notice in Hosea 4:5 that the children of Israel shall not RETURN until they SEEK THE LORD! There is no genuine turning to the Lord Jesus Christ in Israel today. And so, present-day apostate Israel which was established in May of 1948 cannot be the fulfillment of Hosea 3:4-5.

But wait, it gets much worse! The modern state of Israel was created by the Zionist International Banking Cabal (the Wall Street gang). Research history and you will see that I speak the truth. The Anti-American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was created in 1947 by Wall Street Investment Bankers and Lawyers (the United States is run by a criminal banking cabal).

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Please read, “WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER” by Antony C. Sutton. President Barack Obama has hired several dozen former Goldman Sachs employees and executives right off of Wall Street. Washington is Wall Street and Wall Street is Washington! Take a look at the chart to the left (truly a picture is worth 1,000 words). Look at the names in the middle column. To the right is the position they held at Goldman Sachs on Wall Street. The column to the left is their position afterwards in The White House!!!

As I would not go as far as saying what you said in the title, I believe a lot of Christians are focused on the wrong Israel, the old Israel.

Anyone who is born again Christian are a part of the new Israel, we are the new Israel, no matter what race you are from, so long as you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

I don't think it's wise those to take sides with the earthly Israel and Palestine though, as both sides have done some pretty bad things in recent times. Both sides have Christians in those regions, but Israel has been guilty in the past of forcing innocent Palestinians out of their homes to claim territory, including a Christian Palestinian priest my dad met, and likewise Palestinians have also done some bad stuff to Israelis too.

So Christians really shouldn't take any sides with the earthly Israel and Palestine.
 

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The Jewish people are children of promise. God made a promise to Abraham, and Isaac was born. Someone, by blood, may be a child of promise. Regardless of if the Hebrew people believe in Jesus, or have been doing right or wrong, they may be tied to certain promises, and curses.

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. (Revelations 3:9)

What constitutes a Synagogue of Satan? Around the first or second century AD, given someone found a Jewish coin with a man and a star on it, that may be Luciferian. The star being "The Morning Star." (Isaiah 14:12)(Revelations 22:16) Around that time, sometime after Diaspora, the Jewish leaders decided they were going MGTOW. They were men going their own way. They believed that there were no more prophets, and God wasn't talking to them, so they went their own way. They became, easily defined, Luciferians.

Kabbalah has been part of Jewish Mysticism since around the 13th-14th Century. People like Modonna, Mich Jagger, and many others, have been Kabbalahists. Kabbalah has been used by both Jews, and non-jewish "Deniers of Christ" in the occult. That may be The Golden Dawn which helped produce Wicca and Crowley.

We have a Synagogue of Satan and some elements some elements of it. Did that stop the Jewish people from being tied to God's Promises? No. When they were in idolatry and God's Judgement came on Israel and Judah in the Old Testament, they were not separate from God's Promises and Curses. They are still not.

Jeremiah 30 has been very Prophetically Profound lately. Israel is a State again. That happened in 1948 regardless of if they were a Synagogue of Satan doing the wrong things. In Jeremiah 30, God promises to punish the Jewish people in due measure.

I am with you and will save you,’ declares the LORD. ‘Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you but only in due measure; I will not let you go entirely unpunished.’ (Jeremiah 30:11)

What does it mean "God will punish in due measure?" God has law. The Jews have been aware of law. Did they do wickedness? Did they sow bad seeds and corruption in their host nations? Being punished could be like God sending Babylon to bring his Judgement on Judah in the Old Testament, it could be the Jews being expelled from France or England during the Middle Ages and their property being taken. It may have been the holocaust. Given bad things were happening to the Jews, why? What were the Jews doing? Were they sowing corruption like the Kabbalists did in Spain prior to the Inquisition? The idea that The Jews are somehow victims and completely innocent, and can somehow do no wrong may be an example of someone being brainwashed.

What does it mean that God completely destroys the nation which he scatters them? The Jews have often been promoting Multiculturalism in the countries that have hosted them. Multiculturalism like Ezekiel 23. In Ezekiel 23, Israel and Judah were like two wives God married. The prostituted themselves with foreign idols and foreign nations. That would be Multiculturalism. David would be more of a Nationalist. David loved his God, and loved his country, and was will to fight and defend. Men who may have been more similar to a David, may have been in Vietnam. They came back and they got spit on by a Counter Culture that was seeped in debauchery, a rejection of lawful authority, and a rejection of God towards spiritaulism and gurus. What did the Multicultural Counter Culture do? It splintered societies. There were various egotistical power movements all out for their own gain. There was hyphenated Americanism. A Kingdom Divided cannot stand? These forces have been, also, in Europe. Multiculturalism and Idolatry would be part of a Harlots wine. The Nations that the Jews were scattered into look to be in tenuous positions given another Great Depression or a lot of pressure is suddenly applied. They could break like pottery.

Jeremiah 30 has looked to be very profound.
 

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"The average person (Christians included) is uninterested in researching matters beyond the lying propaganda spoon-fed to them by the mainstream newsmedia."

As I have once heard said: "Create the news, control the narrative" :mad:

It's pretty scary though - that a small group of people control what is literally "fed" to the public. What a cruel game. When talking with family members they'll repeat what they heard on the news - and I have to continually tell them not to believe what is on the mainstream news. It's literally like trying to hold back the Niagara because the people they talk to believe the news.
 
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I have not read your whole entry in the OP, What I have read tells [ me ] that you are beginning to see the corruption that our Savior and Paul speak of! that there will be False Prophets!!!!!!!!!!!! - anyone who teaches half truth's and false doctrines is within this category!
This is why we should study, read, and hold onto that which is good. Israel is to be held up, that is to say we should stand with Israel as a Nation, But concerning Jacob [Israel] there is no way we should stand with the rejection of God, which is a large percentage of the secular Israel.
God has plans to cleanse His chosen, but after much Tribulation, Therefore Pray for Jacob [Israel] That is the Root and Fatness to which we are to be Grafted into, Ruth is a prime example, I want the God of Israel to be My God, and Jacob [Israel] to be My People!
I believe that you are coming to the Knowledge of the Mystery of Iniquity, Which is a Title of a book, I have read this book, and it will set people free from manmade Religion.

I believe that is exactly what is happening. When I was spiritually reborn the veil was removed and I could see the truth about God. Now I think He is showing me the truth "a little here a little there" about the world/ end times. I began reading Chuck Baldwin and he sees it too. I don't have the entire understanding of it yet as I see many Christians still say to support Israel. David Stewart, who wrote the above article says no - that the nation of Israel is a fraud. I had the erroneous idea that Israel was this holy place, until I met a young man from Israel. He was very unholy and was flirting openly with a married member of our family - with the husband standing there. But I talked with him and asked him about his country and he told me it's not holy, he said it's all commercial - that they play on the whole Christian thing to rake in money. The guy lacked morals himself yet I think he was telling me the truth about his country. That was the first encounter that started to make me think differently about Israel. Then I began to read other things about who really runs America and it led me to reading that the entire nation of Israel is a fraud. I'm not sure yet as I'm still studying Revelations and I wondered what others thought.
 

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It's pretty scary though - that a small group of people control what is literally "fed" to the public. What a cruel game. When talking with family members they'll repeat what they heard on the news - and I have to continually tell them not to believe what is on the mainstream news. It's literally like trying to hold back the Niagara because the people they talk to believe the news.
ah, the journey of discovering ppl strange to you might lie to you, bc they have to eat, sigh.
good times
When I was spiritually reborn the veil was removed and I could see the truth about God.
cmon bro srsly?
 
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It's pretty scary though - that a small group of people control what is literally "fed" to the public. What a cruel game. When talking with family members they'll repeat what they heard on the news - and I have to continually tell them not to believe what is on the mainstream news. It's literally like trying to hold back the Niagara because the people they talk to believe the news.

So true. People should watch the news just to get a sort of perspective but don't live it like a religion. With prayerful study of the scriptures you begin to see there is NOTHING righteous in the news nor governments. The Syria issue for instance, has anyone been paying attention from the onset? It is not as the narrative has been given and that narrative is full of holes lie, and contradictions. But prophecy is being fulfilled and not the righteous part of it either . And it is being fulfilled by the unGodly. The oldest city in the world Damascus , have you seen it? I am sure you have. All this alerts us to how close we are to Christ's return. I am sure I am preaching to the choir concerning awareness of that.

What's going on in the middle east is really a land grab by America ( for the Zionist) but the thorn in their side Russia TWO BIG PLAYERS- will not just sit back and let them only have the spoils. Did you notice Russia always gets involved once the dismantling is just about done? It is simply a confiscating of the land and its riches. Those who do not comply with the agenda are toppled and a puppet king controlled by the Zionist Jew is put in place. This has happened throughout the middle east and with Island nations Latin and south American nations. Mexico will be next. You don't think the Big Boys at the pinnacle of power are going to let the drug cartels run things there do you? No one out ranks them. They will put that in check not because they are righteous but because they are power hungry and the world is THEIR OYSTER and they will not share power in evil it has been given to the Rothschilds. Satan has given them his own throne power and authority.
 
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you gotta be aware of the deal where if you are suspicious then you prolly arent trustworthy right. You live in the City, do ya? Look, and see your Cain killing your Abel imo ok, bc trusting other ppl ruins the ground you have plowed, right. Or put your way, bam, if you would. maybe we could examine this a little? What do you mean by "trust" anyway, i prolly dont do that myself

but i bet the long/short is that you now have expectations of ppl, to which i would say yeh get ridda that lol, it'll kill you in a hurry imo
 
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Your posts are getting more and more weird, and you are seeing bogeymen around every corner. Time for a reality check, and abandonment of all conspiracy hunting.

1. A nation cannot become an offspring of a spirit being, so that was a very wrong statement.
2. The devil controls all the kingdoms of the world at present. No surprises there.
3. Zionism was purely secular and political and was a result of Anti-Semitic persecution of Jews.
4. There is no doubt that a handful of extremely wealthy Jews have a huge influence on world events, and are manipulating them.
5. That does not mean that you smear all Jews as evil.
6. The majority of Jews are unbelievers, but many are becoming believers as Messianic Jews.
7. Christians are commanded to love those who are unbelievers, particularly the Jews.
8. God loves the Jews and wants to see them saved. And one day there will be a redeemed and restored nation of Israel under Christ.
9. Satan hates the Jews and wants to see them utterly destroyed. He has been at this throughout history.
10. Christians should fully support any government which stands with Israel against its Muslim and Arab enemies.
11. Christians should be praying for Israel and the Jews, not pointing fingers and being high-minded.
12. Christians should be seriously involved with evangelism in Israel, as well as humanitarian efforts.

Thank you for your Christian response. The very way that you come across is anti-Christian, authoritative, and unloving. What makes you think you're right and I'm wrong? Ask yourself that question.

To begin with: I did not write this post - if you read at the top of the original post you'll see that I stated that I read this article. It's written by David Stewart. There are pastors who oppose Zionism so my question is valid.

Second of all, I wrote a "disclaimer" at the top since I don't claim to be an expert on the end times. God has led me into the study of it just this past year and I'm trying to grasp what He's showing me and bounce off other believers.

Third, I am a thorough person when I do read and study, and I know that the root of your disdain is because I'm convinced that Trump is owned and you're not. I am 100% convinced of this.

I was convinced of this prior to stumbling upon pastor Chuck Baldwin's writings and other Christians online who have had the deception scales fall from their eyes about Trump. What I can't understand about you Enoch, is that you claim to be a Christian - I know from your posts that you study your bible as diligently as I do, yet you see nothing at all wrong with Trump dropping bombs on innocent Syrians. Is it because you're sitting at home in your soft easy chair, eating ice cream and studying your bible in a warm, middle-class home? After all YOUR house, car, city, and family aren't getting bombed so why should YOU care what happens to some foreigners thousands of miles away? How quickly we throw our Christianity out the window!

What kind of Christian doesn't even follow the ten Commandments of "Do not kill"?

Are we just as guilty as Trump for killing those innocent Syrians because we're giving "approval" of anything at all that he does - even murder??? I experienced first hand how much sins of omission hurt. Yet are my own sins of omission - and that of my fellow Americans/ Christians - hurting others by going along with anything Trump does?

Romans 1:32

“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

I am shocked and dismayed at all the "Christians" who rubber-stamp everything that Trump does...all because he throws them a FEW bones while keeping Planned Parenthood fully funded, packs his cabinet with Goldman Sachs, continues another version of NAFTA that has sent all the manufacturing out of America, and continues the wars he said he'd stop, dropping bombs on innocent Syrians.

How can anyone not see that Trump is continuing the work of his predecessors?

I know that everyone wants to think they have a champion...a Santa Claus... in the White House and it becomes a case of shooting the messenger. Some day Enoch I pray that you see the truth - that Trump is not the person you thought he was and that all murder is wrong/ all dropping bombs on people is wrong. Do you think it's okay that you're sitting in your safe house while children are having their limbs blown off? That's called 'cognitive dissonance.'

He is a Freemason - he admitted it on video. Anyone who does cursory research learns that Freemasonry is satanic. It just shows that the devil's deceptions are working.

As for Zionism - what I posted about - I'm still trying to piece together everything and I'm seeing two camps of Christians: those who believe we should support the country of Israel at all costs, and those who see the country of Israel as a creation of globalists that is deceiving believers. That's why I wanted to hear what others thought of this.

1. I'm unsure where you read that David Stewart said a nation is the offspring of a spirit being. I grasped from what he wrote that many pastors/ Christians are worshipping Israel and the nation of Israel is a satanic fraud.
2. The devil does control all kingdoms of the world.
3. I'm not sure if Zionism is about hatred of the Jews.
4. Yes, a small handful of extremely powerful and ungodly men have control of everything...including many pastors.

to be continued...
 

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except when I know that I am with God.
ah, so then when do you not know that you are With God end air quotes, amadeus.
You maybe got some expectations of ppl too?

i know this is a hard one, but God is doing that dream part i guess ok. And yeh it can be a nightmare too, from our perspective anyway. We walk through a valley of death after all right
 
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As for Zionism - what I posted about - I'm still trying to piece together everything and I'm seeing two camps of Christians: those who believe we should support the country of Israel at all costs, and those who see the country of Israel as a creation of globalists that is deceiving believers. That's why I wanted to hear what others thought of this.
hopefully the third choice has made itself apparent lol. Which i'm not even real sure what that is i just like to bring this up whenever i hear "either/or." They all have an opinion, right. Have you found any believer who does not have an opinion on that?
 
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