2 Peter 3:8

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Did you see that part in RED from Gen 2:17? "... for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."Added: What is the Lord's Day? The millennium right? How long is the millennium? 1000 years!
Lord day is the millennium? Show where it says that? Because concerning the millennium I do not see the mention of the Lord's day.That quote says they will not live a full day?
 

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...You nor I not even the angels know when the Lord will return. This generation or not. It may very well be but we do not know for sure.
You may not know, but I do because I know how to read Scripture with understanding. You will just need to "put it on the shelf" for now.
Lord day is the millennium? Show where it says that? Because concerning the millennium I do not see the mention of the Lord's day.That quote says they will not live a full day?
Learn some Hebrew and Greek.
 

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The diffention of an idiom is a figure of speech Be not ignorant is an English translation ..The manuscripts the Wycliff and the companion Bible all translate this as a hid( hidden thing the term is only used 5 times in scripture ... It denotes ..DO NOT BE IGNORANT ...DO NOT BE UNKNOWING (of this hidden thing) Imagine if you will our English idioms (figures of speech ) You show me your new Ipod ..I say ... Wow thats cool,neat You understand what I mean very well 2000 years pass our figures of speech fall from the language how might this sentence be translated? Wow thats cool,neat =Surprise that is cold but tidy .............the words are right but the meaning of my comment is lost so it is with figure of speech idioms and the rest of your post is just plain lack to understand we most certainly do know we are that Generation in fact God gave us the signs in Mark Luke and Mat he gave us the parable of the fig tree and more So we could be watchman . I'm done with this conversation if your content in your milk fine by me
 

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Here is another figure of speech:"the nakedness of his father"Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: Gen 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. Gen 9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. Gen 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. What does it mean Alpha? If it is actually seeing your naked old man the penalty was heavy wasn't it?
 

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Now with this in mind we know God created the world in six days on the seventh day he rested (in biblical numeric 7 is the number of spiritual completeness) this is our en-sample (example) God will create his Bride/church in 6 days on the 7th he will rest
Have anything to back up that claim?(Christina;67669)
Now understanding what Peter understood here is this week is a millennial week (a week of 1000 year days) It has been more than 6000 years sense Adam was created we know from Rev. 20 that the millieum takes place after Christ return (on the 7th day God rests) ..So that places us somewhere between the end of the 6th and Start of the 7th day of this millineal week ... (the number of days appointed to man according to Hebrew tradition is 6 /(6000)
If Christ is to reign for a thousand years as King. How is this resting? (Christina;67669)
Now what other clues do we have that we are in this last Generation God gave us a parable to be the second wittness to this When we see Israel (The fig tree) again shoot forth know that the Generation that wittness's this event SHALL NOT ALL PASS (die) before I return..This is Gods promise to us .. that generation is 60 years old ...it started in 1948 We know its the 6th millienial Day past Adam ... God will rest on the 7th millinial Day ..We are the last Generation thats why we can now understand what 2 Peter 3:8 means ... So if we use this information given us in interpting some of the apropriate time frames in scripture we will find we have opened up a second wittness to many time frames ...a key to better understanding what was veiled before As I mentioned in a previous post One hour in a 1000 year period is equal to 5 months in our/earth time Rev.9:5 & 9:10 tells us the Locust Army (of antichrist/Satan) is upon the earth 5 months this is our One Hour of tempation.5 months =1 hour
Where does it say in any of those verses that we will be tempted? For an hour or for 5 months?(tomwebster;67675)
You may not know, but I do because I know how to read Scripture with understanding. You will just need to "put it on the shelf" for now.Learn some Hebrew and Greek.
Ahh I see words of wisdom.
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If you just want to insult then mind your own business.Matthew 25:13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.Now by some peoples logic here. 1000 years = 1 day. We do not know the day/1000 years. Not only that but the same word hēmera is used here and in 2 Peter for day.Since we do not know the day or I suppose we can conclude that we do not know which 1000 year period he will return either.(Christina;67678)
and the rest of your post is just plain lack to understand we most certainly do know we are that Generation in fact God gave us the signs in Mark Luke and Mat he gave us the parable of the fig tree and more So we could be watchman . I'm done with this conversation if your content in your milk fine by me
This is the only reason that I think we are the generation. Because of the fig tree. Not because of 2 Peter.(tomwebster;67679)
Here is another figure of speech:"the nakedness of his father"Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: Gen 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. Gen 9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. Gen 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. What does it mean Alpha? If it is actually seeing your naked old man the penalty was heavy wasn't it?
I would suspect Noah being drunk is a sin. This is the nakedness God is referring to. I suppose he (Canaan) was cursed for ignoring the sin or trying to cover it up. Now, although this is a figure of speech. No one has yet to demonstrate the Brethren be no ignorant of this one thing is a figure of speech. I have asked for links and no one has provided anything. Which leads me to believe that this is just mans teaching.Or maybe just maybe after Peter says not to be ignorant of something and then quotes from the scriptures he is telling them something. To not be ignorant of Psalms 90:4
 

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The diffention of an idiom is a figure of speech Be not ignorant is an English translation ..The manuscripts the Wycliff and the companion Bible all translate this as a hid( hidden thing the term is only used 5 times in scripture ... It denotes ..DO NOT BE IGNORANT ...DO NOT BE UNKNOWING (of this hidden thing) Imagine if you will our English idioms (figures of speech ) You show me your new Ipod ..I say ... Wow thats cool,neat You understand what I mean very well 2000 years pass our figures of speech fall from the language how might this sentence be translated? Wow thats cool,neat =Surprise that is cold but tidy .............the words are right but the meaning of my comment is lost so it is with figure of speech idioms and the rest of your post is just plain lack to understand we most certainly do know we are that Generation in fact God gave us the signs in Mark Luke and Mat he gave us the parable of the fig tree and more So we could be watchman . I'm done with this conversation if your content in your milk fine by me
From the Wycliffe translation8 But, ye moost dere, this o thing be not hid to you, that o dai anentis God is as a thousynde yeeris, and a thousynde yeeris ben as o dai.Again we see more evidence that it DOES NOT say thousand year IS a year and vice versa. The structure of the verse is the same.As for hid to you I agree with you that it means do not be ignorant or do not be unknowing. But not that it is some sort of mystery. Also this is interesting.....2 Peter 3:5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.The same word for ignorance is used. For this they are willingly ignorant of, they willingly are unaware of this. What exactly? Of Scripture of the Genesis account of creation specifically quoting Genesis 1:6-7. Same with the next verse he is saying do not be ignorant of the scriptures Psalms 90:4.
 

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...Ahh I see words of wisdom.
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If you just want to insult then mind your own business.
First, this is my business.
Matthew 25:13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
When He says:"Mark 13:23 - But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things." Was He making a mistake? We are in the fig tree generation. We are told the season. We are also told that the end is like a woman in labor. Well, when a woman is a child she might dream about having children but she has no idea when they will come. When she gets married, she might realize the time is closer. Then when she becomes pregnant, she knows the birth will happen within 9 months or so. When she starts labor, she knows that the birth will happen within a certain number of hours. Finally, the Doctor says, "you are dilated to x number, I think we will have a baby within ____." She still doesn't know the exact time the birth will take place but she knows from the signs that it is real close. Well, God has given us certain signs. The closer we get to His arrival the closer we can know the time. Off course if you understand the "1260" you will know a little further out.
Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.I would suspect Noah being drunk is a sin. This is the nakedness God is referring to. I suppose he (Canaan) was cursed for ignoring the sin or trying to cover it up.
You don't have to "suspect," Lev 20:11 will tell you. Ham had intercourse with his mother, Canaan was the result.Figures of speech are important to a correct understanding of Scripture.Alpha, you can believe whatever you want, see you in the millennium. :study:
 

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My answer are in greenQuote:Originally Posted by Christina Now with this in mind we know God created the world in six days on the seventh day he rested (in biblical numeric 7 is the number of spiritual completeness) this is our en-sample (example) God will create his Bride/church in 6 days on the 7th he will rest Have anything to back up that claim?What you have never heard of an Example or the Sabbath ???????????Quote:Originally Posted by Christina Now understanding what Peter understood here is this week is a millennial week (a week of 1000 year days) It has been more than 6000 years sense Adam was created we know from Rev. 20 that the millieum takes place after Christ return (on the 7th day God rests) ..So that places us somewhere between the end of the 6th and Start of the 7th day of this millineal week ...(the number of days appointed to man according to Hebrew tradition is 6 /(6000) If Christ is to reign for a thousand years as King. How is this resting? Again God says he rests on the 7th day if you dont get that the problem is yours not mine if you dont know it has been 6000+ years sense Adam again your problem not mine and Christ rules as King of Kings for eternity he just rest on the 7th day before the End and the White throne Jugement and then it is done Again its all written in last verse's of Revelation excuse me for assuming you read the scriptures my mistake Quote:Originally Posted by Christina Now what other clues do we have that we are in this last Generation God gave us a parable to be the second wittness to this When we see Israel (The fig tree) again shoot forth know that the Generation that wittness's this event SHALL NOT ALL PASS (die) before I return..This is Gods promise to us ..that generation is 60 years old ...it started in 1948 We know its the 6th millienial Day past Adam ... God will rest on the 7th millinial Day ..We are the last Generation thats why we can now understand what 2 Peter 3:8 means ...So if we use this information given us in interpting some of the apropriate time frames in scripture we will find we have opened up a second wittness to many time frames ...a key to better understanding what was veiled beforeAs I mentioned in a previous post One hour in a 1000 year period is equal to 5 months in our/earth time Rev.9:5 & 9:10 tells us the Locust Army (of antichrist/Satan) is upon the earth 5 months this is our One Hour of tempation.5 months =1 hour Where does it say in any of those verses that we will be tempted? For an hour or for 5 months?Its called math something we learn in schoolQuote:Originally Posted by Christina and the rest of your post is just plain lack to understand we most certainly do know we are that Generation in fact God gave us the signs in Mark Luke and Mat he gave us the parable of the fig tree and more So we could be watchman . In case you dont know it God says know one knows the hour or the day he told us to learn the season and the signs because I have done as told us if you have not again your problem not mine
 

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Obviously people are in disagreement that God has always existed by saying he is bound by time.
You're attempting to promote a complete fallacy here by saying any of us are suggesting that God is bound by anything. No one is saying that, quite clearly. Please don't try to use a red herring to deceive others.In fact, I believe if God is saying that 1000 years are a day for him, then that really speaks to His eternal existence. Similarly, no one is basing everything off of a single verse:Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Did Adam die within a day? No, he lived for hundreds more years, but he did not pass 1000 years. Nor did anyone, Methuselah included as the oldest person in the Bible.The English presense of "as" certainly does not mean that it's a simile. Same word:Matthew 6:10
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
Matthew 7:29
For he taught them as [one] having authority, and not as the scribes.