When did God create the angels?

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When did God create the angels?"We do know that God created the angels before he created the physical universe. The book of Job describes the angels worshipping God as He was creating the world: “Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone - while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7).If we consider the function of angels, we might conclude that God created the angels just prior to the creation of mankind because one of their duties is to be “ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation” (Hebrews 1:14). We also know they existed prior to the Garden of Eden, because Satan, who was formerly the angel Lucifer, was already present in the Garden in his fallen state. However, because another function of angels is to worship God around His throne (Revelation 5:11-14), they must have been in existence millions of years—as we reckon time—before God created the world, worshipping Him and serving Him.So, although the Bible does not specifically say when God created the angels, it was sometime before the world was created.
 

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Pure speculation here. God is an entity of infinite energy and mass. He decided to split parts of that energy off and create other entities that were smaller and less powerful, His children were born from Him doing so for His pleasure.So........When did God create the angels? Whenever He felt like it !!! And wisdom was there to witness it and creation as she states in Proverbs 8. :music:
 

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When did God create the angels?"We do know that God created the angels before he created the physical universe. The book of Job describes the angels worshipping God as He was creating the world: “Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone - while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7).If we consider the function of angels, we might conclude that God created the angels just prior to the creation of mankind because one of their duties is to be “ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation” (Hebrews 1:14). We also know they existed prior to the Garden of Eden, because Satan, who was formerly the angel Lucifer, was already present in the Garden in his fallen state. However, because another function of angels is to worship God around His throne (Revelation 5:11-14), they must have been in existence millions of years—as we reckon time—before God created the world, worshipping Him and serving Him.So, although the Bible does not specifically say when God created the angels, it was sometime before the world was created.
When did God created the angels? After Genesis 1:1, which God created the angels on the First Earth Age.
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My belief on this subject, although some may differ with my interpretations, is that Lucifer was the angelic "Adam" over this earth in the first earth age. This place was inhabited by angels. He had a throne (c.f. Ezek 28 and Isaiah14) which is why he wanted to elevate it to the level of God he was prideful. This is the time when there was even life and some of the ancient fossils we have came from there. Jeremiah 4 then speaks of God's judgment due to this rebellion of Satan and the 1/3 angels that he convinced to follow along. The Earth became a waste and desolation. These are the angels which did not hold their first estate (and later mated with human women)The story of "creation" in Genesis is really a recreation (2nd age) only this time of man in God's image and likeness to take over the duties that Satan failed at. Man was to become as God and a higher order of creation than the angels, as he was meant to be begotten instead of merely a created being. Satan knew this and thus explains the tremendous battle between Satan's Kingdom and God's Kingdom with man caught in the middle so-to-speak. There's severe rivalry to regain the Kingdom and the throne. Since man also fell, that required a redeemer, Christ the last Adam to start a new race to undo all the damage that Satan had done with man's stubborn willingness. That's the whole point then for a new heaven and earth after this one, to restore that which was supposed to have been with Adam. Had Adam taken from the tree of life, we would not have needed Christ, as Adam would have fulfilled that role quite nicely.
 

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Tim, don't forget Michael. He and Lucifer were the anointed cherub that protected the mercy seat.
 

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Tim, don't forget Michael. He and Lucifer were the anointed cherub that protected the mercy seat.
Yeah, no problem. Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, and Metatron (there's a few others, too). Right now I'm becoming more interested in demonology.
 

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Yeah, no problem. Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, and Metatron (there's a few others, too). Right now I'm becoming more interested in demonology.
I believe Lucifer and Michael are the only archangels named in Scripture. The others are from other writings.So, what are you discovering about demons, Tim?
 

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I'm interested because of the paranormal activity occurring around lately. Dark beings, but nothing to be messed with. I don't know how one can be an atheist and attack boards like this when objects get levitated and whatnot. What do they suppose that is? If there's demons, then there's probably a God. But you'll never find an atheist where there's a haunting. All I have to say is I'm glad I at least have brown carpets.
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When did God create the angels?"
On the fifth day.Genesis 1:20-23 ESV And God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens." (21) So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. (22) And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." (23) And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.Revelation 18:2 ESV And he called out with a mighty voice, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.On the sixth day God created man not immediately in His image on this versesGenesis 1:24-25 ESV And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds--livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. (25) And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.and still on the sixth day, God created man in His own imageGenesis 1:26 ESV Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."Hebrews 2:5-8 ESV Now it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. (6) It has been testified somewhere, "What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him? (7) You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, (8) putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.and on the seventh day God rested.Genesis 2:2 ESV And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.John 5:16-17 ESV And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. (17) But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."
 

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"When did God create the angels?"
On the fifth day.Genesis 1:20-23 ESV And God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens." (21) So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. (22) And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." (23) And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.Revelation 18:2 ESV And he called out with a mighty voice, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.On the sixth day God created man not immediately in His image on this versesGenesis 1:24-25 ESV And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds--livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. (25) And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.and still on the sixth day, God created man in His own imageGenesis 1:26 ESV Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."Hebrews 2:5-8 ESV Now it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. (6) It has been testified somewhere, "What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him? (7) You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, (8) putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.and on the seventh day God rested.Genesis 2:2 ESV And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.John 5:16-17 ESV And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. (17) But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."Wrong. Is a bird an angel? No! How about a raven? No! An eagle? No! A vulture? No! Angels existed after Genesis 1:1 and before Genesis 1:3. Day 5 (Genesis 1:20-23) is when God created these flesh animals. Angels is not made of flesh. And angels aren't animals either.
 

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Wrong. Is a bird an angel? No! How about a raven? No! An eagle? No! A vulture? No! Angels existed after Genesis 1:1 and before Genesis 1:3. Day 5 (Genesis 1:20-23) is when God created these flesh animals. Angels is not made of flesh. And angels aren't animals either.
how could you say that Jordan, here's a definition of a living creatureGenesis 2:7 ESV then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
 

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how could you say that Jordan, here's a definition of a living creatureGenesis 2:7 ESV then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
how could you say that Jordan, here's a definition of a living creatureGenesis 2:7 ESV then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.Genesis 2:7 is clearly referring to Adam who is a human being. All humans are made of flesh. Angels while yes a living being, but they aren't humans and they aren't animals, and there is no flesh in angels. Angels appeared as a man showned in numerous scriptures, but they aren't humans and flesh.
 

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how could you say that Jordan, here's a definition of a living creatureGenesis 2:7 ESV then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
MB, do you understand that there are three Heaven and earth ages? If not there are a number of threads on this forum talking about them.
 

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MB, do you understand that there are three Heaven and earth ages? If not there are a number of threads on this forum talking about them.
Genesis 2:4 KJV These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,Yes, note there that "heavens" is plural and the third heaven is yet to be created of which Adam is a part of. But still I think when God said He rested on the seventh day He meant He would rest when He is finished creating the third heaven.Revelation 21:1 KJV And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 

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Come on MB we may not know exactly but other than cherubs angels dont have wings except in mythology ..In scripture they always appear as Men Let Us make man in our image do we have wings ??Jacob wrestled with an Angel they came to visit Lot ... Get away from mens artistic idea Angels
 

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I think Adam and Eve are spirits because they were naked when they were created. I think the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil are human beings, that's why we are at war with the Woman because human beings aren't naked, we have a body, I think the third heaven is where we are now, I think true happiness is achieved by eliminating the physical world and walking in the Spirit of God.Genesis 3:7 ESV Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.Genesis 3:15 ESV I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."Hosea 13:8 ESV I will fall upon them like a bear robbed of her cubs; I will tear open their breast, and there I will devour them like a lion, as a wild beast would rip them open.Galatians 5:16-17 ESV But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. (17) For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.John 3:13-15 LITV And no one has gone up into Heaven, except He having come down out of Heaven, the Son of Man who is in Heaven. (14) And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, (15) that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Numbers 21:8 ESV And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live."Hebrew word for God H430 EloheemPsalms 78:56 ESV Yet they tested and rebelled against the Most High God (Eloheem) and did not keep his testimonies,Psalms 82:6-8 ESV I said, "You are gods (Eloheem), sons of the Most High, all of you; (7) nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince." (8) Arise, O God (Eloheem), judge the earth; for you shall inherit all the nations!John 10:33-34 ESV The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God." (34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods'?Genesis 1:1 ESV In the beginning, God (Eloheem) created the heavens and the earth.Three earth ages, the three heavensRevelation 4:8 ESV And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!"Hebrews 13:8 ESV Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.John 19:25 ESV but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.John 14:20 ESV In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
 

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I think Adam and Eve are spirits because they were naked when they were created. I think the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil are human beings, that's why we are at war with the Woman because human beings aren't naked, we have a body, I think the third heaven is where we are now, I think true happiness is achieved by eliminating the physical world and walking in the Spirit of God.Genesis 3:7 ESV Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.Genesis 3:15 ESV I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."Hosea 13:8 ESV I will fall upon them like a bear robbed of her cubs; I will tear open their breast, and there I will devour them like a lion, as a wild beast would rip them open.Galatians 5:16-17 ESV But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. (17) For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.John 3:13-15 LITV And no one has gone up into Heaven, except He having come down out of Heaven, the Son of Man who is in Heaven. (14) And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, (15) that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Numbers 21:8 ESV And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live."Hebrew word for God H430 EloheemPsalms 78:56 ESV Yet they tested and rebelled against the Most High God (Eloheem) and did not keep his testimonies,Psalms 82:6-8 ESV I said, "You are gods (Eloheem), sons of the Most High, all of you; (7) nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince." (8) Arise, O God (Eloheem), judge the earth; for you shall inherit all the nations!John 10:33-34 ESV The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God." (34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods'?Genesis 1:1 ESV In the beginning, God (Eloheem) created the heavens and the earth.Three earth ages, the three heavensRevelation 4:8 ESV And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!"Hebrews 13:8 ESV Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.John 19:25 ESV but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.John 14:20 ESV In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
That's a load of junk I ever heard in my life in this sort of topic. If I want to take a shower, do I keep my clothes on, or do I get get naked so I could wash my body clean? If the second option, am I still human? or do I automatically become from human to spirits, back to human then to spirits...?This is nothing but full of baloney...And those scripture does not say what you are saying at all... *sigh*
 

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That's a load of junk I ever heard in my life in this sort of topic. If I want to take a shower, do I keep my clothes on, or do I get get naked so I could wash my body clean? If the second option, am I still human? or do I automatically become from human to spirits, back to human then to spirits...?This is nothing but full of baloney...And those scripture does not say what you are saying at all... *sigh*
well, how do you explain this verse?Luke 3:38 KJV Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.I know this is a deep topic and this is only my opinion.
 

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That's a load of junk I ever heard in my life in this sort of topic. If I want to take a shower, do I keep my clothes on, or do I get get naked so I could wash my body clean? If the second option, am I still human? or do I automatically become from human to spirits, back to human then to spirits...?This is nothing but full of baloney...And those scripture does not say what you are saying at all... *sigh*
well, how do you explain this verse?Luke 3:38 KJV Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.I know this is a deep topic and this is only my opinion.That verse is saying that Adam who is a human being is the starting line-up for Christ to come through. Christ who is God in the flesh (human being) is descended from Adam who is also a human being.