The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

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I pointed out and quoted Scriptural facts.
Doesn't matter to me if that bothers you.

The Scripture, nor I mentioned they were searching "for answers."

You should have known they were "searching" "for Verification", that what was being Preached to them was True.

Are you unaware, the NT had not been written...?

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Nope, I'm completely aware. That's my whole point, sparky.

The Bereans learned that Jesus was the Messiah from ORAL teaching - authoritative Church teaching . . .
 

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Who's talking about soul sleep, whatever that is? You full well know that those texts you have cited above do not support your claims of people in heaven now any more today than they did 500 years ago. With the exception of Moses who we know was raised, because Jesus was talking to him...Oh, and the testimony of Jude. As for the witnesses...angels...says nothing about them being "alive in Christ".
Add for the 24 elders...who knows who they are? We are not told..But obviously redeemed, therefore men, and therefore obviously resurrected...and the only resurrection we are told of in scripture is of those who were raised at the time of Christ's redirection and witnessed by many wandering the streets of Jerusalem. How they got to heaven we don't know...nor when. That doesn't support the concept however that every one else is in heaven also does it. A one off event a multitude does not make.
And the Lazarus and bosom of Abraham thing has been done to death..
Ahhhhh, so you SDA’s believe that God made a different set of rules for Moses and a different set of rules for the people who were resurrected when Jesus died and a different set of rules for the great cloud of Witnesses in Heb. 12:1 - and yet another different set of rules for the Elders in Heaven in Rev. 5:8??
Boy – that’s a LOT of Scriptural acrobatics.

And, as for Lazarus and the Rich Man – this was a parable – but conveyed the truth, as ALL of Jesus’s parables did.
 
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Ahhhhh, so you SDA’s believe that God made a different set of rules for Moses and a different set of rules for the people who were resurrected when Jesus died and a different set of rules for the great cloud of Witnesses in Heb. 12:1 - and yet another different set of rules for the Elders in Heaven in Rev. 5:8??
Boy – that’s a LOT of Scriptural acrobatics.

And, as for Lazarus and the Rich Man – this was a parable – but conveyed the truth, as ALL of Jesus’s parables did.
It isn't about sets of rules. God can do what He likes, and if He makes some exceptions like with mouse sms Elijah and Enoch, that's His business. Paul however revealed the general plan...wait for the resurrection.
The parable revealed truth...that people in heaven can see and talk to people in he'll, right.
 

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It isn't about sets of rules. God can do what He likes, and if He makes some exceptions like with mouse sms Elijah and Enoch, that's His business. Paul however revealed the general plan...wait for the resurrection.
The parable revealed truth...that people in heaven can see and talk to people in he'll, right.
Thank you.

The Catholic position ALL along is that God can and DOES make exceptions.
He made an exception when He created Mary sinless Luke 1:28).
He made an exception when he granted the Thief on the Cross entrance into Heaven without Water Baptism (Luke 23:43).
He made exceptions by assuming Enoch (Gen 5:21–24), Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) and Mary (Rev. 11:19-12-1) into Heaven bodily.

However, Paul never stated that we had to wait until the resurrection of the Body to get into Heaven. These are TWO separate events. Everybody who has died in Christ is either already in Heaven (Heb. 9:27, Rev. 5:8) or being purified on their way to Heaven (1 Cor. 3:10-15).
 

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Nope, I'm completely aware. That's my whole point, sparky.

The Bereans learned that Jesus was the Messiah from ORAL teaching - authoritative Church teaching . . .

People can Learn About Jesus...by hearing and or reading.

They Know Jesus IS the Christ, Through God telling them.

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They Know Jesus IS the Christ, Through God telling them.

I, Jesus, sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, the bright morning star."

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." Let the hearer say, "Come." Let the one who thirsts come forward, and the one who wants it receive the gift of life-giving water

And so it begins!

Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 

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Thank you.

The Catholic position ALL along is that God can and DOES make exceptions.
He made an exception when He created Mary sinless Luke 1:28).

Luke 1:28 says nothing about God "CREATING" Mary sinless.

Gods "Creation", is bringing what DOES NOT EXIST into EXISTENCE.
MARY ALREADY "EXISTED".

The angel came to Mary, and TOLD her she was highly favored and blessed.

Luke 1:28
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.


[29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

Mary was curious about the manner in which the angel greeted her.

[30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

The angel notified Mary to not be afraid, God found favor in her.

Why would Mary BE AFRAID, Because God found favor IN her?

She Wouldn't.
The anticipated "FEAR", was for what the angel was ABOUT to reveal to Mary.

Also, WHAT "FAVOR" did God "FIND" "IN Mary"?

The SAME FAVOR God "found" / "finds" in ANY person;
Prov 3:
3: a merciful person
3: a truthful person
5: a person who Trusts in the LORD
6: Acknowledging the LORD in all their ways
7: Departing from Evil
8: Honoring the LORD
11: Acceptance of the LORDS correction.

WHY would Mary BE AFRAID, for being NOTIFIED, God Noticed Mary was a merciful, truthful, trusting, acknowledging, honoring person TOWARD God?

She Wouldn't.

The anticipated "FEAR", was Mary being TOLD she WOULD BE PREGNANT in her womb...

WAIT a MINUTE...
Mary is acknowledged BY God...
...she is a Proverbs 3 person;
And Mary;
...IS engaged (betrothed) to a man;
...HAS never had intercourse with a man;
...IS going to be Pregnant, before marriage.
And a Baby;
...will be born less than 9 months from her marriage day.
...SHE WILL be a shame unto her husband and family.

THAT ^ was the angels anticipated FEAR Mary would have, upon hearing the news the angel was about to Tell Mary.

Finding FAVOR with God is NOT an Exception.

Particular People, Doing SPECIFIC THINGS "FOR THE LORD", IS the "EXCEPTION", being that "ONE" person is going to be DOING something "FOR" the Lord God, "THAT" every other person IS EXCEPTED, and will NOT DO, "FOR" the Lord God.

Mary is the ONLY person, WHOM the Lord was SENT TO "HER" WOMB.

THAT ^ did not "CREATE" Mary sinless.
THAT ^ did not "MAKE" Mary sinless.

Humans ARE "NOT" Created Sinless.
Humans ARE "procreated" with a "CORRUPT" SEED of mankind.
Corrupt Seeds DO NOT PRODUCE something SINLESS.

God FORGIVES SIN.
God COVERS SIN.
God REMEMBERS NO MORE the SIN He,
...forgives and covers.

God SEARCHES a persons Natural Heart, to SEE IF they ARE a Proverbs 3 person.

"IF" a person "IS" a Proverbs 3 person...
God BLESSES THEM...
With Forgiveness, Covering, Cleansing, Sanctification, Keeping, HIS SEED...

So they are WHOLLY prepared to be ...
Body, Soul, Spirit......RAISED IN GLORY.
FULLY (body, soul, spirit), UNCORRUPTED.

THAT ^ has NOT YET occured.
While SOULS of men ARE being SAVED...
And
SPIRITS of men ARE being QUICKENED...
And Saved SOULS and QUICKENED SPIRITS
Of men ARE; departing DEAD BODIES and going to BE WITH the Lord "IN HEAVEN"...

NO BODIES of men...
Have been RISEN UP IN GLORY, and gone to Heaven.......

"EXCEPT" the BODY that Came DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

THAT ^ "EXCEPTION" belongs "Exclusively" ...
TO JESUS.

John 3:
[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

You have NOT shown in Scripture where by ANY "earthly human" has Come DOWN from Heaven, and or THEN "RETURNED" to Heaven.

Scripture reveals;
Mary was a devout BELIEVER in God.
Mary was favored.
Mary was chosen for a SPECIFIC "ONE TIME" service unto the Lord God.

The Lord IS "WITH" Mary.
Luke 1:28
[28] ...the Lord is with thee...

The Lord God "SHALL" BE "UPON" Mary.
Luke 1:35
[35] ...shall come upon thee...

The Lord Gods "SPIRIT" "SHALL" BE "IN" her.
John 14
[17] ...the Spirit of truth...he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Gods Spirit, "IN" a person?
WHEN?
WHEN God FILLS a person with HIS SPIRIT.

Luke 1
[5] There was in the days of Herod,...a certain priest named Zacharias, ...his wife Elisabeth.
[6] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Elizabeth, was FILLED with Gods Spirit, when she was 6 months pregnant.

Luke 1
[36] And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her...

Luke 1
[41] And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

Zachariah, was FILLED with Gods Spirit, AFTER Elizabeth delivered her child, and Zachariah officially named the baby; John.

Luke 1
[63] And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John.

Luke 1
[67] And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, ...

Mary WAS FILLED with Gods Spirit, Along with the Faithful disciples and followers of Jesus, at Pentecost. "AFTER Jesus BODILY RETURNED TO HEAVEN, from Whence He Came."

Acts 1
[1] The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
[2] Until the day in which he was taken up, .... after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
[3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, ...but ... wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
[5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


Acts 1
[13] And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
[14] These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
[15] And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty, ...

Acts 2
[1]...when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, ...

No earthy human man is ever called "SINLESS".

Humans BECOME "MADE" "FREE FROM SIN",
WHEN they Become "INDWELT" with the HOLY SPIRIT.

Their SIN does not "Disappear".
Their SIN Becomes "Forgiven", "Covered", "Unseen", and no more 'remembered', by God...

THEY BECOME "subject to" the POWER WITHIN THEM. The POWER of the Holy Spirit, that KEEPS A MAN FOREVER, FREE FROM SIN, (ie ever AGAIN, in disbelief...ie AGAINST God).

You preach MARY was sinless.
Then you preach MEN receive the Holy Spirit, AND CONTINUE TO SIN.


^^^ OXYMORON!

Every person, "MADE" a NEW CREATURE, By the POWER of the INDWELLING HOLY SPIRiT,
IS "MADE" free from Ever AGAIN SINNING AGAINST God.

^ That Applied to the Elizabeth, Zacharias, the Disciples, Mary, other women, Jesus' brethren, and ALL who received and ALL who continue to receive the Indwelling Spirit of God.

By your teaching, and your words; You appear to NOT comprehend the differences, between;
God with a man,
God upon a man,
God with-IN a man.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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People can Learn About Jesus...by hearing and or reading.

They Know Jesus IS the Christ, Through God telling them.

Glory to God,
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Yup, and God tells them through His Church . . .
 

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Luke 1:28 says nothing about God "CREATING" Mary sinless.

Gods "Creation", is bringing what DOES NOT EXIST into EXISTENCE.
MARY ALREADY "EXISTED".

The angel came to Mary, and TOLD her she was highly favored and blessed.

Luke 1:28
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.


[29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

Mary was curious about the manner in which the angel greeted her.

[30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

The angel notified Mary to not be afraid, God found favor in her.

Why would Mary BE AFRAID, Because God found favor IN her?

She Wouldn't.
The anticipated "FEAR", was for what the angel was ABOUT to reveal to Mary.

Also, WHAT "FAVOR" did God "FIND" "IN Mary"?

The SAME FAVOR God "found" / "finds" in ANY person;
Prov 3:
3: a merciful person
3: a truthful person
5: a person who Trusts in the LORD
6: Acknowledging the LORD in all their ways
7: Departing from Evil
8: Honoring the LORD
11: Acceptance of the LORDS correction.

WHY would Mary BE AFRAID, for being NOTIFIED, God Noticed Mary was a merciful, truthful, trusting, acknowledging, honoring person TOWARD God?

She Wouldn't.

The anticipated "FEAR", was Mary being TOLD she WOULD BE PREGNANT in her womb...

WAIT a MINUTE...
Mary is acknowledged BY God...
...she is a Proverbs 3 person;
And Mary;
...IS engaged (betrothed) to a man;
...HAS never had intercourse with a man;
...IS going to be Pregnant, before marriage.
And a Baby;
...will be born less than 9 months from her marriage day.
...SHE WILL be a shame unto her husband and family.

THAT ^ was the angels anticipated FEAR Mary would have, upon hearing the news the angel was about to Tell Mary.

Finding FAVOR with God is NOT an Exception.

Particular People, Doing SPECIFIC THINGS "FOR THE LORD", IS the "EXCEPTION", being that "ONE" person is going to be DOING something "FOR" the Lord God, "THAT" every other person IS EXCEPTED, and will NOT DO, "FOR" the Lord God.

Mary is the ONLY person, WHOM the Lord was SENT TO "HER" WOMB.

THAT ^ did not "CREATE" Mary sinless.
THAT ^ did not "MAKE" Mary sinless.


Luke 1:35
[35] ...shall come upon thee...

The Lord Gods "SPIRIT" "SHALL" BE "IN" her.
John 14
[17] ...the Spirit of truth...he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Gods Spirit, "IN" a person?
WHEN?
WHEN God FILLS a person with HIS SPIRIT.

Luke 1
[5] There was in the days of Herod,...a certain priest named Zacharias, ...his wife Elisabeth.
[6] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Elizabeth, was FILLED with Gods Spirit, when she was 6 months pregnant.

Luke 1
[36] And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her...

Luke 1
[41] And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

Zachariah, was FILLED with Gods Spirit, AFTER Elizabeth delivered her child, and Zachariah officially named the baby; John.

Luke 1
[63] And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John.

Luke 1
[67] And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, ...

Mary WAS FILLED with Gods Spirit, Along with the Faithful disciples and followers of Jesus, at Pentecost. "AFTER Jesus BODILY RETURNED TO HEAVEN, from Whence He Came."

Acts 1
[1] The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
[2] Until the day in which he was taken up, .... after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
[3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, ...but ... wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
[5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


Acts 1
[13] And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
[14] These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
[15] And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty, ...

Acts 2
[1]...when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, ...

No earthy human man is ever called "SINLESS".

Humans BECOME "MADE" "FREE FROM SIN",
WHEN they Become "INDWELT" with the HOLY SPIRIT.

Their SIN does not "Disappear".
Their SIN Becomes "Forgiven", "Covered", "Unseen", and no more 'remembered', by God...

THEY BECOME "subject to" the POWER WITHIN THEM. The POWER of the Holy Spirit, that KEEPS A MAN FOREVER, FREE FROM SIN, (ie ever AGAIN, in disbelief...ie AGAINST God).

You preach MARY was sinless.
Then you preach MEN receive the Holy Spirit, AND CONTINUE TO SIN.


^^^ OXYMORON!

Every person, "MADE" a NEW CREATURE, By the POWER of the INDWELLING HOLY SPIRiT,
IS "MADE" free from Ever AGAIN SINNING AGAINST God.

^ That Applied to the Elizabeth, Zacharias, the Disciples, Mary, other women, Jesus' brethren, and ALL who received and ALL who continue to receive the Indwelling Spirit of God.

By your teaching, and your words; You appear to NOT comprehend the differences, between;
God with a man,
God upon a man,
God with-IN a man.

Glory to God,
Taken
Just as I thought.
In our entire conversation – you’ve never been able to address Mary’s title of “Kecharitomene”.
Ummmmm, why do you think Mary was “curious” or “confused” about the Angel’s greeting??

Do your Bible homework and study this word to fully understand its meaning. You also claim that God found the “same” favor with Mary as He does in everybody else.
Show me where the BIBLE says this - Chapter and Verse.

Mary wasn’t just “highly favored” – she was Kecharitomene. It is a perfect participle and indicates a COMPLETED action with a PERMANENT result. It is defined as “COMPLETELY, PERFECTLY and ENDURINGLY endowed with grace.
NOBODY else in ALL of Scripture (OT or NT) is described in this manner.

As for your nonsense about Mary bein “afraid” because she was going to become an unwed mother – the text clearly states that the Angely told her not to be afraid BEFORE he told her anything about becoming pregnant. She was bewildered by his greeting – and probably afraid because he appeared to her out of thin air.

As usualALL your idiotic statements are SQUASHED by the biblical text . . .
 

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"HIS" Church ARE they who ARE Born Again...
Not a building.

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Who said anything about a “building”??
HIS
Church is His Body – which He identified His very SELF with (Acts 9:4-5).

He only built ONE (Matt. 16:18) -= not tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects ALL teaching different doctrines. That ONE Church has been here for 2000 years and has an unbroken line of Apostolic Succession.

YOUR sect and every other man-made offshoot only came about after the 16th century . . .
 

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Just as I thought.
In our entire conversation – you’ve never been able to address Mary’s title of “Kecharitomene”.

I did address that, and that has nothing to do with the present post.

, why do you think Mary was “curious” or “confused” about the Angel’s greeting??

Luke 1
[29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

Scriptures said troubled...I used the synonym
Confused.

Do your Bible homework and study this word to fully understand its meaning. You also claim that God found the “same” favor with Mary as He does in everybody else.
Show me where the BIBLE says this - Chapter and Verse.

Stop deflecting.

Your post said nothing about "that word".
My response was not to "that word".

Try to stay ON POINT.

Respond to what I said.
If you disagree, show IN Scripture where Scripture disagrees with the Scripture I posted.

Glory to God,
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Who said anything about a “building”??
HIS
Church is His Body – which He identified His very SELF with (Acts 9:4-5).

No Acts 9:4-5 does not say, His Church is His Body.

Acts 9
[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

He only built ONE (Matt. 16:18) -= not tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects

You forgot to mention the church you are most acquainted with, your catholic church and it's thousands of churches with its thousands of members declaring different doctrines, beliefs, traditions and philosophies.

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BOL ~

Jesus is the HEAD of HIS Church.

Col 1
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church:

His Church IS and HAS been being BUILT, with People who BELIEVE that;

Matt 16: [16] ...Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

More are added to His Chruch.

Acts 2: [41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


Glory to God,
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No Acts 9:4-5 does not say, His Church is His Body.

Acts 9
[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
WRONG.
Acts 9:45
absolutely shows that Christ identifies His very SELF with His Church. They are inseparable.
He didn’t ask Saul – “Why are you persecuting the Church”? He said – “Why are you persecuting ME?”
You forgot to mention the church you are most acquainted with, your catholic church and it's thousands of churches with its thousands of members declaring different doctrines, beliefs, traditions and philosophies.

Glory to God,
Taken
WRONG again.

The Catholic Church is ONE – it’s monolithic.
It is NOT the splintered mess that is thousands of sects of Protestantism – or even one of the thousands of pseudo-Christian sects like yours.

Twenty Liturgical Rites that are in FULL communion with each other doctrinally . . .
 

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I did address that, and that has nothing to do with the present post.

Luke 1
[29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

Scriptures said troubled...I used the synonym
Confused.

Stop deflecting.

Your post said nothing about "that word".
My response was not to "that word".

Try to stay ON POINT.

Respond to what I said.
If you disagree, show IN Scripture where Scripture disagrees with the Scripture I posted.

Glory to God,
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Once again – you keep ignoring “Kecharitomene” – even going so far as to refer to it as “that word”.

I LOVE it - it’s like Kryptonite to anti-Catholics. You CANNOT get around this word because it is the crux of our argument.

I completely understand your fear and hatred of this word because crushes your position.
HOWEVER - unless you can address it and stop ignoring it – you LOSE . . .
 

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BOL ~

Jesus is the HEAD of HIS Church.

Col 1
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church:

His Church IS and HAS been being BUILT, with People who BELIEVE that;

Matt 16: [16] ...Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

More are added to His Chruch.

Acts 2: [41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Glory to God,
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Thank you for that very Catholic belief.
Looks like I'm finally getting through . . .
 

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Just not ROMAN Catholic.
Correct.
There is no “Roman” Catholic Church.

“Roman” simply refers to one of twenty Liturgical Rites that comprise the CATHOLIC Church.

Pretty sure I’ve already educated you in this point . . .