The reasons for and against BACs being habitual sinners

1john1:
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins> and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

It took Jesus's death and resurection to save us and it takes his power and the indewling Spirit to keep us following him.

Zachary said:

the one word "believe" must include:
obedience, practicing righteousness, good works, being sanctified
unto holiness, and enduring in the faith until the end.

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Hi Zachary,

Romans 5:1-2
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Places like this tell me that it is by faith that I can do these others, really, all the same thing, if we endure in the faith, it means that we are obeying, we are being sanctified, everything else.

Zachary said:

and it also takes our free-will choices to follow and obey Him.

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Where the rubber meets the road! How many actually want to be fully sanctified?

I think some are afraid of continuing in the failures they've known through their struggles against the flesh, and find it less discouraging to continue to think that there isn't any true help for them until the resurrection.

But by remaining in faith in God, we overcome without that struggle. We trust, and faith overcomes.

Much love!

Zachary said:

Here’s a list of reasons why BACs cannot help but be habitual sinners


Here’s a list of reasons why BACs must continue to be habitual sinners


Here’s a list of reasons why BACs do NOT have to be habitual sinners

“When you came to Christ … Christ performed a spiritual circumcision
-- the cutting away of your sinful nature” (Colossians 2:11)

“we should NO longer be slaves of sin.” (Romans 6:6)

“For he who has died (with Christ) has been FREED from sin.” (Romans 6:7)

“reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin” (Romans 6:11

“For sin shall NOT have dominion over you” (Romans 6:14)

“you WERE slaves of sin” (Romans 6:17, Romans 6:20)

“And having been set FREE from sin” (Romans 6:18, Romans 6:22)

“Christ Jesus has made me FREE from the law of sin and death.” (Romans 8:2)

“Christ made us right with God … and he FREED us from sin.” (1 Corinthians 1:30)

Since BACs …
● are new creations
● have the indwelling Holy Spirit
● have all of God’s Scriptures
● have been set FREE from the bondage of sin
… they have absolutely NO excuse for continuing to be habitual sinners!

Therefore, BACs are accountable to God for their words, deeds, actions, etc.

“… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death,
OR (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)
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Did I get in on the middle of something here?? What is a BAC?

Prayer Warrior said:

Did I get in on the middle of something here?? What is a BAC?

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By context 'born again Christian' is easily deduced.

Blueberry said:

By context 'born again Christian' is easily deduced.

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Oh, thanks for implying that I'm stupid. You're very kind.

Prayer Warrior said:

Oh, thanks for implying that I'm stupid. You're very kind.

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Well do not feel bad, as I just noticed this thread, and I was going to ask the very same Question?????
Remember Technology has deduced our ability to spell it out, as it was in the old day's!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL, sorry, laugh out loud

Zachary said:

So very true ...
and it also takes our free-will choices to follow and obey Him.
I.E. Salvation is a co-operative effort between God and man.

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Someone already cited Romans 5:1-2 but i recommend reading the whole chapter. Three times Paul mentions that Christ died for us "while" we were;
helpless
sinners
enemies

How is that in any way synergistic soteriology/salvation? Its not. God does it all.
Belief is a gift....Phil 1:29
Repentance is a gift....2 Tim 2:25
The ransom was provided by Jesus...Mark 10:45
He atoned 100% of our sin...Romans 3:25
He took our certificate of debt...Col 2:14
He is the redeemer....Gal 3:13
He is the savior...Acts 4:12
God protects our salvation...1 Peter 1:5
He purifies us...Titus 2:14
He makes us able to stand in His presence with Joy....Jude 24-25

I could go on but you get the idea.

To RECONCILE all of the NT verses re: the OSAS debate ...
requires us to see that the one word "believe" must include:
obedience, practicing righteousness, good works, being sanctified
unto holiness, and enduring in the faith until the end.
For each of these, there are 10+ NT verses!
So, do we dare ignore and/or reject these verses?

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Cite a lexical source that includes all that stuff when defining believe. Or else its simply your opinion.

Zachary said:

Hi, Marks ...

Yes, this is impressive, thank you.

But, "being justified by faith" isn't clear, is it?

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It couldn't be any clearer. We are justified by faith. Except for those that have an agenda and this verse which is crystal clear doesn't agree with their theology.

1) Have been justified (forever)?
2) Are being justified (as in a process)?

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Why do you have to change the wording of the text? Just read it as it is and its very clear. We are justified by faith. Not hard at all to understand.

Many NT Scriptures must have the spiritual Truth revealed via spiritual revelation.

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Really? I agree that one needs to be born again but Paul told Timothy in 2 Tim 2:15 to STUDY to show yourself approved.....handling accurately the word of God. Unless you want to clarify what 'spiritual revelation' means.

Some are even "somewhat hidden" to not hinder the growth of baby Christians.

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I don't believe God hides anything from us. As young or baby believers we simply lack the spiritual maturity to grasp the deeper things of God. But i'd never say things are hidden.

The church has found it more popular to go with #1.
However, the NT clearly teaches #2.
I.E. Salvation is conditional, and is a process!
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Salvation is of God and He protects it for eternity. And no, its not a process. Sanctification is a process, thats our spiritual growth.

Zachary said:

And my opinion is not as good as da guys who write lexicons, commentaries, etc. ... Nonsense!
They got their info from secular Greek ... I get mine from somewhere else.

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This tells me all i need to know. And no, greek grammarians do not get their definitions from secular greek. Biblical greek is koine. A good lexicon will include secular, profane greek as well as various translations like the septuagint or early church fathers. But the biblical greek is koine. So, your definitions can include whatever you want to pack them with. Which make your definitions unreliable at best and flat out wrong and misleading as is your definition of believe.

Hey guys!

Listen, I created another thread on this debate for anyone interested. It occurred to me that we might all do better by exchanging interpretations of entire passages of scripture than just throwing a verse here or there back and forth. I have used as my text a major portion of what Zachary cited in the OP (Romans 6:15-23).

All are welcome, and I'm looking forward to hearing replies : )
Hidden
Interpreting Romans 6:23 In Context

Prayer Warrior said:

Oh, thanks for implying that I'm stupid. You're very kind.

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Its not too bad considering you got done Gaslighting me for 1000 hours in private conversation for the last 12 months.

Ta-ta

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5] And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Prayer Warrior said:

Oh, thanks for implying that I'm stupid. You're very kind.

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Haha!! I didn't know either...it took me while to work it out.
How much easier if it had just been mention in actual words...

Maybe some people have to catch trains or something, so need to hurry so have shortcuts in their posts.. lol

Truth said:

Well do not feel bad, as I just noticed this thread, and I was going to ask the very same Question?????
Remember Technology has deduced our ability to spell it out, as it was in the old day's!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL, sorry, laugh out loud

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