Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

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... Republican does NOT = Christian and Democrat does NOT = un-believer. ...

Personally, I'm more concerned that the church is so far removed from the TRUTH, that many accuse righteous people and deny a righteous nation (Israel). And of course they point and say they're not "PERFECT", all the while blinding themselves from evil people and evil nations.

It seems the only explanation is that: WE ARE IN THE TRIBULATION.
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Personally, I'm more concerned that the church is so far removed from the TRUTH, that many accuse righteous people and deny a righteous nation (Israel). And of course they point and say they're not "PERFECT", all the while blinding themselves from evil people and evil nations.

It seems the only explanation is that: WE ARE IN THE TRIBULATION.
Bobby Jo
Not quite but at the cusp .
Matthew 24:20-22
The Abomination of Desolation
…20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.…
 
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Reggie [QUOTE=" the stupid Godless ignorant so called Jews wont save you, [/QUOTE]

I like how you come right out of the closet with it and let us know that your beliefs about this are right from Satan. You are showing us that you are already cursed.
 
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You sound like a mouthpiece for the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and Al Qaeda. They do not want anyone to support Israel.

But Christians need to keep things in their proper contexts.

1. The secular nation-state of Israel is there to give all Jews worldwide a homeland. That is precisely because of the hatred and persecution of Jews by so-called *Christians*. The fact that the Jews in Israel generally do not accept Jesus as their Messiah has nothing to do with this. And God did not given anyone a mandate to persecute Jews just because He caused their dispersion for their own sins. But European *Christians* believed that they had a God-given mandate to kill and massacre Jews. Thus Hitler came up with his *Final Solution*.

2. Israel stands against Islamist terrorism and Muslim domination, and for that reason alone it should be supported by all right-thinking people. Or would you rather see an Islamist Caliphate take control of the Middle East, and eventually the world? They would enslave or kill Christians, Jews, and all so-called *infidels*. Just remember the brutality of ISIS.

3. The religious beliefs of Jews in Israel are varied, but at the same time there are Messianic Jews who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. There are also other Christian groups in Israel. All Christians worldwide need to stand with Christians within Israel, as well as engage in humanitarian efforts within Israel, regardless of the beliefs of those who need help.

4. Jerusalem and the land of Israel are going to be the focus of the Second Coming of Christ, and Christians are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. In the meantime, any government which supports the defense of Israel against its very real enemies should have the support of Christians. Obama was a crypto-Muslim and wanted to see the destruction of Israel. Trump, on the other hand, gives Israel 100% of his support in words and actions. But you don't like that.

5. Paul -- speaking by the Holy Spirit -- warns Gentile Christians not to be high-minded in their attitude towards unbelieving Jews. But you are violating that commandment of God, and showing contempt and disdain for unbelieving Jews. And that is unacceptable.

ROMANS 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation
them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them
be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit
be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches,
take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Thank You Enoch. I appreciate you standing up for the truth.
 

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You sound like a mouthpiece for the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and Al Qaeda. They do not want anyone to support Israel.

But Christians need to keep things in their proper contexts.

1. The secular nation-state of Israel is there to give all Jews worldwide a homeland. That is precisely because of the hatred and persecution of Jews by so-called *Christians*. The fact that the Jews in Israel generally do not accept Jesus as their Messiah has nothing to do with this. And God did not given anyone a mandate to persecute Jews just because He caused their dispersion for their own sins. But European *Christians* believed that they had a God-given mandate to kill and massacre Jews. Thus Hitler came up with his *Final Solution*.

2. Israel stands against Islamist terrorism and Muslim domination, and for that reason alone it should be supported by all right-thinking people. Or would you rather see an Islamist Caliphate take control of the Middle East, and eventually the world? They would enslave or kill Christians, Jews, and all so-called *infidels*. Just remember the brutality of ISIS.

3. The religious beliefs of Jews in Israel are varied, but at the same time there are Messianic Jews who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. There are also other Christian groups in Israel. All Christians worldwide need to stand with Christians within Israel, as well as engage in humanitarian efforts within Israel, regardless of the beliefs of those who need help.

4. Jerusalem and the land of Israel are going to be the focus of the Second Coming of Christ, and Christians are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. In the meantime, any government which supports the defense of Israel against its very real enemies should have the support of Christians. Obama was a crypto-Muslim and wanted to see the destruction of Israel. Trump, on the other hand, gives Israel 100% of his support in words and actions. But you don't like that.

5. Paul -- speaking by the Holy Spirit -- warns Gentile Christians not to be high-minded in their attitude towards unbelieving Jews. But you are violating that commandment of God, and showing contempt and disdain for unbelieving Jews. And that is unacceptable.

ROMANS 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation
them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them
be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit
be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches,
take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
1 The Arabs Nation never harmed the Jew until the advent of Zionism Nationalism.

Now the problem with such bastards as the ones who control the so called Zionist ends, have always treated anyone like sh1t who may get in their way, every cunning trick is played on all peoples, because this mob are truly Satanic, you will know them by their works ?
I have came across the same type myself, what they do is get you to do work for them and then try every dirty trick in the book to not pay you, their is no human content in such people, if they can by any means get out of paying for the job they will go for it 100% and they think nothing of destroying people and their family's, all the little tricks that they will play are astounding. the Goyim are only starting to take on such tricks for about 30 years now, but they are only amateurs in the game that they play. everything is a game to them ! it's some what like a cat plays with a mouse.
I suspect that this is the games that they play with the Arab peoples who live around them, the Talmud inspired so called Zionist are bastards to all people just like the Nazis were, the Talmud Zionist are the worst racial prejudice people in the world and the fact is that the True Jews are totally ashamed of this mob and their bastard Nazi tactics and they say that they the Zionist do not represent them as Jews at all, it's giving them a bad name ! true worthy Jews do not want to be seen as Nazi type bastards at all.

No rue Christian ever attacked the Jews, that was people who were lead astray by the works of Satan, why are you claiming that Hitler was a Christian ? he was a Talmud whore who worked for the interest of the Talmud's plans and totally in bed with the Zionist. Hitler and his Politically Correct dogs only played the German People for fools, just as we see how such a Satanic wave is dominating over our people nowadays with such the same stench, only most do not recognise the stench for what it truly is in fact, until it's too late. because they do not understand the working of such games or are brainwashed by the powers that be.

2 I agree.

3 Messianic Jews are not talking about true Christ Jesus at all in fact, they have another Jesus, this will be The Devil him self. I have never met one Messianic Jew who is truly born again or truly knows and abides in Jesus Christ, in fact far from it, they all have been cunning creepy bastards spinning so much nonsense.
 

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Really?! This is in the post right before that: "the stupid Godless ignorant so called Jews." You say that's not anti-semitism? Wow, denial.
No where in history was there, also the stupid Godless so called Jews ? many a time !

What does Anti-Semite truly mean ? sure the term of the name has been created by idiots or has to do with another brainwashing tec tool, but what does Semite mean ! it's a word that defines a race ! and it's about say 90% of them are in fact Islamic people.
So in reality to say one was anti-Semitic you would have to be talking about the Islamic people, truly ! but if someone hated Jews what is that ? Anti-Jewish I would think ? so why not say what it truly is in fact, but now again why is one such ? is it because the anti subject based on the Jewish religion or is it based of a Race ?
Why someone would be anti, in regards to a Race ? well I don't get that as it makes no sense at all.
Why someone would be anti, in regards to a Religion, well I can understand that, but then one can ask why is that so, is their valid reasoning in such ?
We have people who are anti Roman Catholic, I know of many who have said to me that they want to kill every RC in the world and their ranting and raving comes across as insane, but I have never met one Christian person yet that claims any such crap against the Jews, bar for Islamic people.

The word Anti-Semitic does not past the reality test, the word is a creation of Satan, so as to confound all. it can mean so many things but never is truly anything one can not grasp hold of it, as it's just like a slippery pole.
The true born again Christian will smell out such a workings, as this word becomes like a greasy pole and can be used to confound all, such a creation only works so as to create confusion.
 

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Not quite but at the cusp .
Matthew 24:20-22
The Abomination of Desolation
…20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.…

Actually there are LOT of things which happen during the Tribulation. And of course Scripture defines the years which lead to the Tribulation, and also the end of the 42 months when Jesus Returns. Now having said this, please consider that a LOT of people have dart boards -- and they use them to arrive to their expectations. And although I have a dart board, I don't use it. Instead I actually use SCRIPTURE to discover where we are in history.

So where we can't know the day or the hour, we can know the week, month, season, year (1), decade (10), score (20), century (100), daytona (500), and millennia (1,000). And it's actually a simple process to discover where we are in history, -- if you're interested! :)


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Actually there are LOT of things which happen during the Tribulation. And of course Scripture defines the years which lead to the Tribulation, and also the end of the 42 months when Jesus Returns. Now having said this, please consider that a LOT of people have dart boards -- and they use them to arrive to their expectations. And although I have a dart board, I don't use it. Instead I actually use SCRIPTURE to discover where we are in history.

So where we can't know the day or the hour, we can know the week, month, season, year (1), decade (10), score (20), century (100), daytona (500), and millennia (1,000). And it's actually a simple process to discover where we are in history, -- if you're interested! :)


Bobby Jo
Sure I am interested. I am open minded. That is what intelligent discussion affords us- to maybe learn something we did not know. No one person holds all the answers. Each has his/her own gift in one way and another in another way. If what you say does not contradict the scriptures I am game. You had me when you pointed out "day or the hour" but we can get an idea based on the signs and important historical events which have transpired. So please by all means share what you know and let the readers decide and test all with the written word of God. God Bless!
 
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Sure I am interested. I am open minded. That is what intelligent discussion affords us- to maybe learn something we did not know. No one person holds all the answers. Each has his/her own gift in one way and another in another way. If what you say does not contradict the scriptures I am game. You had me when you pointed out "day or the hour" but we can get an idea based on the signs and important historical events which have transpired. So please by all means share what you know and let the readers decide and test all with the written word of God. God Bless!

Hey CP,

I don't know if you're familiar with the old "J. R. Church" and "Stearman" (can't recall his first name) Christian Television program, "Prophecy In The News", but people wrote into this Program proposing that the 19th Book of the Bible (the Book of Psalms) appears to be prophetic to the Jews for the 1900's, Chapter for year, such that Book 19, Chapter 44 (see verses 11 & 22) = 19-44 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 = 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc. So in 1985, J. R. Church wrote a book titled "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" which presents this premise.

Psalms J.R.Church.jpg

According to this premise, we now have a time-line for prophetic events which includes what I would propose is the year the Tribulation starts, and the year when it ends -- which should be self evident considering the FALSE "7-year tribulation doctrine" versus arriving at the TRUE 42 month end of tribulation Return of Jesus.


And of course, there are other aspects which could and SHOULD be considered which appear to coincide with the Psalms portent.

Bobby Jo


PS You might also want to consider that the "Jubilee" year is prophetic ...
 
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Hey CP,

I don't know if you're familiar with the old "J. R. Church" and "Stearman" (can't recall his first name) Christian Television program, "Prophecy In The News", but people wrote into this Program proposing that the 19th Book of the Bible (the Book of Psalms) appears to be prophetic to the Jews for the 1900's, Chapter for year, such that Book 19, Chapter 44 (see verses 11 & 22) = 19-44 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 = 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc. So in 1985, J. R. Church wrote a book titled "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" which presents this premise.


According to this premise, we now have a time-line for prophetic events which includes what I would propose is the year the Tribulation starts, and the year when it ends -- which should be self evident considering the FALSE "7-year tribulation doctrine" versus arriving at the TRUE 42 month end of tribulation Return of Jesus.


And of course, there are other aspects which could and SHOULD be considered which appear to coincide with the Psalms portent.

Bobby Jo


PS You might also want to consider that the "Jubilee" year is prophetic ...
No not familiar . Sounds like Kabbalah numerology that Rabbis use to find out "secret" messages , you know names, dates etc..... But I will reserve judgement concerning it until I give it a read I mean clearly that is only fair. Then I can give an educated view on it. You do also know , that depending on what bible you use, you will get a different number system concerning- of order. Like the Septuigant does not have the same number line up as the English bible nor does the Latin Vulgate , the Tanakh , Ethiopian bible etc.... So will I find this number 'coincidence' straight through or is it particular to a certain bible say like The KJV, ESV ,CJB etc. In other words , do I have to use a certain bible to arrive at the conclusion you state or is it universal? Thanks.
 
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Hey CP,

I don't know if you're familiar with the old "J. R. Church" and "Stearman" (can't recall his first name) Christian Television program, "Prophecy In The News", but people wrote into this Program proposing that the 19th Book of the Bible (the Book of Psalms) appears to be prophetic to the Jews for the 1900's, Chapter for year, such that Book 19, Chapter 44 (see verses 11 & 22) = 19-44 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 = 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc. So in 1985, J. R. Church wrote a book titled "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" which presents this premise.


According to this premise, we now have a time-line for prophetic events which includes what I would propose is the year the Tribulation starts, and the year when it ends -- which should be self evident considering the FALSE "7-year tribulation doctrine" versus arriving at the TRUE 42 month end of tribulation Return of Jesus.


And of course, there are other aspects which could and SHOULD be considered which appear to coincide with the Psalms portent.

Bobby Jo


PS You might also want to consider that the "Jubilee" year is prophetic ...
Me again . I am going to order the book . Right now I am educating myself on who J.R Church is. It might be a little bit before I can get back to you on this subject. If you want to share a little of what you personally understand until then , great. If it is better for me to read then get back to you , great. Either way will be fine for me. Thanks .
 

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No not familiar . Sounds like Kabbalah numerology that Rabbis use to find out "secret" messages , you know names, dates etc..... But I will reserve judgement concerning it until I give it a read I mean clearly that is only fair. Then I can give an educated view on it. You do also know , that depending on what bible you use, you will get a different number system concerning- of order. Like the Septuigant does not have the same number line up as the English bible nor does the Latin Vulgate , the Tanakh , Ethiopian bible etc.... So will I find this number 'coincidence' straight through or is it particular to a certain bible say like The KJV, ESV ,CJB etc. In other words , do I have to use a certain bible to arrive at the conclusion you state or is it universal? Thanks.

Hey CP,

Personally, I use the RSV, but I think most versions have a similar sequence of books where the Psalms is 19th in order. And I don't particularly recall this as a specific point in J. R. Church's book, but simply that the Psalms and the Chapters appear to have a modern (19th century) Jewish history alignment -- from their perspective.

And if you find what should be apparent, then I can offer confirmation of this premise from the Book of Daniel, because Scripture confirms Scripture, -- or so "they" say!


Bobby Jo
 

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Me again . I am going to order the book . ...

NO! Don't order the book! -- From my perspective, it's not particularly well written, but the basic premise is spot-on. So for now, simply follow the premise!

And as I alluded to previously, there are aspects to the premise which J. R. Church never conceived although his expertise was prophecy topics. This includes the striking statistics where the Shortest Chapter in all Scripture is Psalms 117; the Middle Chapter in all Scripture is Psalms 117; seventy years after the International Recognition of the State of Israel is in 2018 = Psalms 118; and the Longest Chapter in all Scripture is Psalms 119. -- So by inference, something important appears to be occurring between the years 2017 to 2019.

Of further interest, -- Trump recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel in 2018, and the last Jubilee was in 2018. And of course there's more ...


Coincidence, or Design?!?
Bobby Jo
 
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You sound like a mouthpiece for the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and Al Qaeda. They do not want anyone to support Israel.

But Christians need to keep things in their proper contexts.

1. The secular nation-state of Israel is there to give all Jews worldwide a homeland. That is precisely because of the hatred and persecution of Jews by so-called *Christians*. The fact that the Jews in Israel generally do not accept Jesus as their Messiah has nothing to do with this. And God did not given anyone a mandate to persecute Jews just because He caused their dispersion for their own sins. But European *Christians* believed that they had a God-given mandate to kill and massacre Jews. Thus Hitler came up with his *Final Solution*.

2. Israel stands against Islamist terrorism and Muslim domination, and for that reason alone it should be supported by all right-thinking people. Or would you rather see an Islamist Caliphate take control of the Middle East, and eventually the world? They would enslave or kill Christians, Jews, and all so-called *infidels*. Just remember the brutality of ISIS.

3. The religious beliefs of Jews in Israel are varied, but at the same time there are Messianic Jews who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. There are also other Christian groups in Israel. All Christians worldwide need to stand with Christians within Israel, as well as engage in humanitarian efforts within Israel, regardless of the beliefs of those who need help.

4. Jerusalem and the land of Israel are going to be the focus of the Second Coming of Christ, and Christians are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. In the meantime, any government which supports the defense of Israel against its very real enemies should have the support of Christians. Obama was a crypto-Muslim and wanted to see the destruction of Israel. Trump, on the other hand, gives Israel 100% of his support in words and actions. But you don't like that.

5. Paul -- speaking by the Holy Spirit -- warns Gentile Christians not to be high-minded in their attitude towards unbelieving Jews. But you are violating that commandment of God, and showing contempt and disdain for unbelieving Jews. And that is unacceptable.

ROMANS 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation
them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them
be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit
be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches,
take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

I didn't write the above - it was something I'd found while reading.
 

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Yep...frustrating and all we can do is ask God to open their eyes to the truth. Republican does NOT = Christian and Democrat does NOT = un-believer. When Bush II was in office, there were a period of months that the Republicans ran the house and the senate so...does anyone ever wonder why they did not bring the horrible abortion issue to the floor?? My guess is because it is a wedge issue for them and, so many single issue voters have no clue that they are being duped just because someone say's they are Christian does not a Christian make! Fruits, fruits, fruits. Both sides of the isle have their base and will say anything to keep them, wolves in sheep's clothing. My siblings are all Christians and all but myself and another brother are Republicans, me and my other brother are Independents. Even then, I think this country is so corrupt, and that they all lie. Power and money. :(

I try talking to them and once they hear it on the news it's stored there.
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Bobby Jo
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Bobby Jo

I have a friend who is a gay liberal who never spoke like that. Are you so insecure that you can't listen to another POV? "Christians" need to be careful how they speak to others. It's funny how many times I see abuse on this site if you challenge someone's preconceived ideas. It's funny how someone's true nature comes out on here. I can almost guess who is divorced, who is a mouse at work and comes on here and acts like h*ll, and who goes into church acting like a choir boy and comes on here and acts like the devil. But it's okay to abuse...they're defending Christ right? It's then okay to let the sinful side of their personality come out.

No. Their own abusive self is coming out.

Now go to church and smile at everyone.

You are the one with the problem if you can't disagree with someone without resorting to abuse. Especially over BIBLICAL matters. You might want to ask yourself some hard questions.
 
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Yep...frustrating and all we can do is ask God to open their eyes to the truth. Republican does NOT = Christian and Democrat does NOT = un-believer. When Bush II was in office, there were a period of months that the Republicans ran the house and the senate so...does anyone ever wonder why they did not bring the horrible abortion issue to the floor?? My guess is because it is a wedge issue for them and, so many single issue voters have no clue that they are being duped just because someone say's they are Christian does not a Christian make! Fruits, fruits, fruits. Both sides of the isle have their base and will say anything to keep them, wolves in sheep's clothing. My siblings are all Christians and all but myself and another brother are Republicans, me and my other brother are Independents. Even then, I think this country is so corrupt, and that they all lie. Power and money. :(

Someone figured out awhile ago that the TV is powerful to shape ideals. Republicrats - they're all alike. You think something will change when a specific party gets in but it's "meet the new boss same as the old boss." I'm disgusted with politics - I can't stand to watch it. It is all corrupt - I recently became an independent but I don't think they have a chance of getting into any position. I worked for a politician years ago and instead of working we sat there and she told me about all the corruption going on. I was young and it didn't click with me at the time, but now years later it all makes sense. She told me that she was to get some position and she said someone made a phone call and got their buddy in and she was out. She said it shocked her how dirty politics are.
 

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You sound like a mouthpiece for the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and Al Qaeda. They do not want anyone to support Israel.

But Christians need to keep things in their proper contexts.

1. The secular nation-state of Israel is there to give all Jews worldwide a homeland. That is precisely because of the hatred and persecution of Jews by so-called *Christians*. The fact that the Jews in Israel generally do not accept Jesus as their Messiah has nothing to do with this. And God did not given anyone a mandate to persecute Jews just because He caused their dispersion for their own sins. But European *Christians* believed that they had a God-given mandate to kill and massacre Jews. Thus Hitler came up with his *Final Solution*.

2. Israel stands against Islamist terrorism and Muslim domination, and for that reason alone it should be supported by all right-thinking people. Or would you rather see an Islamist Caliphate take control of the Middle East, and eventually the world? They would enslave or kill Christians, Jews, and all so-called *infidels*. Just remember the brutality of ISIS.

3. The religious beliefs of Jews in Israel are varied, but at the same time there are Messianic Jews who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. There are also other Christian groups in Israel. All Christians worldwide need to stand with Christians within Israel, as well as engage in humanitarian efforts within Israel, regardless of the beliefs of those who need help.

4. Jerusalem and the land of Israel are going to be the focus of the Second Coming of Christ, and Christians are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. In the meantime, any government which supports the defense of Israel against its very real enemies should have the support of Christians. Obama was a crypto-Muslim and wanted to see the destruction of Israel. Trump, on the other hand, gives Israel 100% of his support in words and actions. But you don't like that.

5. Paul -- speaking by the Holy Spirit -- warns Gentile Christians not to be high-minded in their attitude towards unbelieving Jews. But you are violating that commandment of God, and showing contempt and disdain for unbelieving Jews. And that is unacceptable.

ROMANS 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation
them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them
be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit
be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches,
take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.


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Thank You Enoch. I appreciate you standing up for the truth.

How do you KNOW it's the truth? What if there is a different truth? What if Chuck Baldwin and others have it right and what we've believed about Israel (I did at one time too) was wrong?

Why then did the DNA tests of the Israelites who supposedly came from Abraham prove false then? Answer that.

When I was first saved I didn't know any christians nor was I saved in a church - I was saved by seeking God on my own. The only thing I knew about the bible was radio preachers, so I listened to them. After a long while I saw that everything that they said was a lie. I took everything they'd sent and burned it in the wood stove. I went back to the Catholic church and spoke with a priest who told me to forget everything else and just go to mass since the Catholic Church was the "Holy Mother" church.

But I questioned everything...and I'm glad I did. People used to all think the world was flat, remember?

I didn't listen to either the above and God led me into the truth. I studied on my own like a Berean. I didn't have the advantage of Christian parents, Christian relatives, or Christian friends - everyone I knew was an unbeliever.

Fast forward to now. I began reading different authors who said that multitudes of Christians are deceived about the nation of Israel - I found pastor Chuck Baldwin and he too believed what various authors believed.

And all the good little churchgoing "Christians" vilified Pastor Baldwin.

That fact in itself would make me NEVER support such pastors, or listen to anything they had to say. If they - and others on here - can't get the basic tenets of the faith right as to how to treat a brother then there is something damnably wrong in that persons heart. They're certainly not representing Christ on here. Yet I'll bet they go to church and smile sweetly at everyone and act like the perfect gentleman. Christ called such people HYPOCRITES.

If someone has a question about the faith they should be able to post it and read others' views without others resorting to personal attacks. Only psychologically unhealthy people resort to attacks on another. It's distinctly un-Christian. Or is it because they're so busy putting on the Christian "act" at church and in the world that they come on here and cut loose?

I don't shy away from the hard topics - as I've done since becoming a Christian I'm searching for the truth myself. It's served me well in the past.

Yet some people think that they have the corner on the truth - only THEY study their bibles and will vilify anyone who challenges the status quo...all in the Name of Christ? They prove exactly what my best friend said when I became a Christian and what my neighbor said: "you have to watch them born-agains!"

You have Enoch posting pictures of trolls and denigrating someone on here because he disagrees with their theology. What kind of Christianity is that? And you're SUPPORTING AND ENCOURAGING THAT???

Maybe we would all do well to question ourselves to see if they're in the faith!

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith" 2 Cor. 13:5
 
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