Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

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What does it mean that God will discipline? The Lord is a Shepherd. He has a staff leading to good things and joy. He has a rod of misery. That may be like Saint Nickolas bringing good presents to good children, and beating the bad one's with a rod till they cry. How does someone become comfortable between God's Rod and Staff? (Psalms 23) The Holy Ghost is a teacher and a councilor. Someone may have had some conditioning and trials. Imagine a strict teacher in a classroom. He is strict, yet, fair. Students know that when they behave and do well they are rewarded. When they misbehave they are disciplined. This is just.

David would be "He whom I discipline."



Given The Jews have been oppressed, or bad things have come upon the Jews, what did the Jews do? Given the Jews in France are being targeted and hated, why? It could be that they sowed corruption into the Body of Christ. It could be that Multiculturalism as taught by Secular Humanists is more Biblical Harlotry Ezekiel 23, and due to their own bad fruit, God is disciplining them the rods of men, and shepherding them to Israel.
Jews oppressed ? who ? what Jews ? not all Jews have been oppressed if fact, they have ruled the banking system for many years controlled power over the RCC and Protestants within causing wars behind it all.
It was the Jews who were into Slavery they owned all the ships that imported all the Negros to the USA and they payed Moslems to run around and catch them in Africa and then sold them, made good money out of that.
White people were slaves as well if one bothers to look back into history.
Asians had Asian slaves, Whites people had White slaves, Blacks had Black slaves, Jews had Jewish slaves, Islam had Slaves.
There is only one religion that does not encourage people to become slaves, but Salvation for all and all the rest are Slaves regardless, it's human nature, it's the works of man that truly enslaves all, that's the foundation of slavery right their in your face !

The stuck up new age people of today are heading head on to all becoming enslaved, because they are a mans works founded bunch of fools ! the only reason why we do not have slavery now a days was because of Christianity.

Islam only enslaves, they are a mans works religion, there is no salvation in them and the Jews it's the same as it's a mans works religion as well, they are all lost as to God, they do not have a God in fact, how can they have ! fact is that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son Jesus Christ. and anyone who rejects that fact is of Satan and only trying to lead all astray.

The Jews strut about having to highest positions in places in employment Europe for years, Doctors, Dentist, Lawyer's, Political, all Banking, you name it, it was the Goyim that were under their feet and the Jews treated them badly, ripping them off, undermining them with cunning and that's why the Jews got kicked out all through history, because they were so greedy and treated all under them like sh1t and that's a fact, they do not have Grace but are cunning devious swine's. what does one expect with anyone who lacks Grace, but to behave like a beast. the stupid Goyim does not understand or is able to see past their own nose. and that is the way that the Jews sees you, he does not respect you at all, he despises you because Goyim are so easy fooled by them, I have seen this displayed many a time.

Beware the Jew who comes bearing gifts ! they have a motive to get you into their game play, they are like Vampires or Leaches and Jesus warned of such that were within that had destroyed Israel by such stealth, they are related as to, in the Vineyard story, that exposes them for what they truly are. They destroyed Israel and Judah in fact, they killed all the Prophets sent by God and they worked to kill Jesus at every opportunity.
By their works you shall know them !
 
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Jews oppressed ? who ? what Jews ? not all Jews have been oppressed if fact, they have ruled the banking system for many years controlled power over the RCC and Protestants within causing wars behind it all.
You cannot equate a handful of multi-billionaire Jews (perhaps a half-dozen to a dozen) who control the banking system and world events, with all the other Jews who do not, and have indeed been oppressed, harassed, persecuted, exiled, massacred, and killed.

Jews have experienced GENOCIDE and that is a historical fact. The Holocaust is also a historical fact, and we may not even know the full extent of it, since every Jew was not always recorded in every country where they were killed.

Christians must stand firmly against Anti-Semitism and hatred for Jews. Christians themselves are hated and persecuted in many lands.
 

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I believe there have been many deceptions or illusions surrounding The Jews. An example of an illusion may have been Harvey Weinstein, and how he was doing the wrong things for decades, it was public knowledge around his peer group, and people looked the other way and joked about it.

Have there been illusions and lies around the Jewish Community? Absolutely. For example, how much do you know about the Khmer Rouge or what happened in Sudan? In your mind, do you put those things on equal footing with the Holocaust? Given someone somehow perceived the Holocaust to be worse, or what happened in Cambodia or Sudan to be "Not as bad" or didn't attach as much weight to them, it may be a sign someone has been brainwashed.

Given the Jews, are Jews, it doesn't matter if they have been doing right or wrong in terms of being tied to God's Promises.......to include The Laws of Moses, and Revelations 3:9. It doesn't matter. What really makes someone a Jew? A circumcision of the heart.

Again, Jeremiah 30 has looked to be particularly profound, at this time.

I was unaware of that verse in Jeremiah. But if the DNA results prove that the people in Israel aren't even Jews descended from Abraham then how can we accept the nation of Israel as being the biblical Israel? When I brought it up to our pastor in bible study he had a strong reaction and said not to read anything these other pastors write. I don't think I can do that. If there is truth in what they're saying - and I think there is - then I want to examine it to see if it's true and pray that the Holy Spirit leads me into all truth.
 

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What does it mean that God will discipline? The Lord is a Shepherd. He has a staff leading to good things and joy. He has a rod of misery. That may be like Saint Nickolas bringing good presents to good children, and beating the bad one's with a rod till they cry. How does someone become comfortable between God's Rod and Staff? (Psalms 23) The Holy Ghost is a teacher and a councilor. Someone may have had some conditioning and trials. Imagine a strict teacher in a classroom. He is strict, yet, fair. Students know that when they behave and do well they are rewarded. When they misbehave they are disciplined. This is just.

David would be "He whom I discipline."

Given The Jews have been oppressed, or bad things have come upon the Jews, what did the Jews do? Given the Jews in France are being targeted and hated, why? It could be that they sowed corruption into the Body of Christ. It could be that Multiculturalism as taught by Secular Humanists is more Biblical Harlotry Ezekiel 23, and due to their own bad fruit, God is disciplining them the rods of men, and shepherding them to Israel.

I'm not following you?
 

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Yes, I see such evil in just about everything on TV. I know Independents will most likely never get into office but, we are told to vote our consciences so, there ya have it. Although, I have decided to not vote anymore as it will never do any good and I have not watched TV in decades. I will only use my television for Pandora, I have made several Christian channels on there with my fave artists. Or I will sometimes watch a movie on Pureflix (some really awesome Christian movies on there!) Sometimes Youtube and sometimes Netflix movies or documentaries. Since I pulled away from politics, my life is more peaceful than ever! There is no turning back with politicians these day's, status quo all the way down the line. We have been so duped it has blinded those who think they are voting for Gods guy...sad really. But, to each their own...I HATE division and confrontation, most especially with our brothers and sisters in Christ so. I watch nothing political at all anymore and that is a total turn around for me...I used to be a political junkie for many years! Ha! What a waste of time and energy.
God Bless you sister, we are in a war!

Yes my husband always tells me I'm throwing my vote away - but I can't stand to see how this country was destroyed before my eyes. These next generations are going to have it hard. All the manufacturing was sent overseas so that most of the jobs left are either working for the government or working in restaurants making minimum wage - or they're on assistance. The government has exploded in growth. I spoke to the friend of a family member yesterday and he said his company hired all illegals - probably to avoid paying them health insurance.

I actually hate politics but thought I could do my part - yet the corruption is just so woven in the fabric that only God can remove it. Still I think we need to do our part whatever it is God shows us. But for the most part you're right - it is a total waste of time.

I don't like division either. It's not what we were called to.
 
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So you saying you the only one who hears from God?

man and you call others crazy
Something strange happened to me recently. I have dialogue concerning all this, everywhere. i have learned that, our system , computer monitoring when you access certain websites, and our phones , Our conversations have what the experts call "trigger words'. You know how all is connected on the web and satellites and all that techi stuff , well there are trigger words that cause the systems established to collect data. Even some forums actually are set up as Christian forums by the government to see what the narrative is of Christians. also to compile the meaning of scriptures that otherwise would not be understood by godless men. They actually rely on those who are actually in the 'know' of prophecy. but what they do not realize is, they are the last to know like Herod. And by then the Male Child is already born.
In Israel the TRUMP of the beginning of the Trumpets has already sounded.

Amos 3:
Witnesses Against Israel
…5Does a bird land in a snare where no bait has been set? Does a trap spring from the ground when it has nothing to catch? 6If a trumpet sounds in a city, will the people not tremble? If calamity comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? 7Surely the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the prophets.…

See I am trembling. The Trumpet has sounded in Jerusalem and the world for that matter;
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See, before a calamity the trump of the trumpet is sounded. In this case , only the servants of God heard it. while everyone else is asleep, they already got today's news ahead of time. we are not in a good place because this trump of the beginning of the trumpets to sound will herald in desolation . Desolation is decreed to the end. Pray.
Daniel 12:9
Michael's Deliverance and the End Times
…9“Go on your way, Daniel,” he replied, “for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand. 11And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days.…

The daily sacrificed to be abolished , is the supper of the Lord, that we celebrate . It is the supper that professes the DEATH OF THE LORD until HE RETURNS.

Oh , the weird thing that happened to me. I was on a forum and was being reprimanded for telling long stories= my long post, NOT IN HERE but elsewhere at which point I was banned. The next day I had three political movement signs on my lawn. Two said "if you are an illegal citizen there is a place for you". In THOSE EXACT WORDS. The third said "STOP THE STORIES" it had buildings on it . It is for preventing over development , some movement group. But my lawn was the only one to have them . and this coincided with a forum I was on where I was told to STOP THE STORIES ! Coincidence? You decide.

I heard about the 'trigger words' yet I didn't think a Christian site would be set up by the government - why would they do that?

That's really weird about the forum/ lawn signs.
 
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You cannot equate a handful of multi-billionaire Jews (perhaps a half-dozen to a dozen) who control the banking system and world events, with all the other Jews who do not, and have indeed been oppressed, harassed, persecuted, exiled, massacred, and killed.

Jews have experienced GENOCIDE and that is a historical fact. The Holocaust is also a historical fact, and we may not even know the full extent of it, since every Jew was not always recorded in every country where they were killed.

Christians must stand firmly against Anti-Semitism and hatred for Jews. Christians themselves are hated and persecuted in many lands.

Yes but have you read that DNA tests were run on the Jews in Israel? You can't argue with these findings that the so-called "Jews" in Israel are not even Jews! The Palestinians have more Jewish blood!

The nation of Israel today is populated with seven and half million imposters. You can't argue with this Enoch. It looks to me as if a giant con was played on Christians to lead us by the nose.

There is still much I don't know and I'll freely admit it - but you have to say this is earth-shattering.

So the "Jews" that you claim have been oppressed, harassed, persecuted, exiled, massacred, and killed. Aren't even Jews according to DNA evidence.

http://www.texemarrs.com/042013/jews_not_descendants_of_abraham.htmans
 

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If there is truth to be found we shouldn't be afraid of holding it up to the light. Truth stands the light test - lies do not.

If DNA results show the "Jews" in Israel aren't even Jews then does that mean we've all been duped? I don't know.
 

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I heard about the 'trigger words' yet I didn't think a Christian site would be set up by the government - why would they do that?

That's really weird about the forum/ lawn signs.

"why would they do that? "
My guess is they want to know their "base" and how they respond to politics? For their talking points. For the life of me, I cannot understand why so many still think their fave pols are speaking truth. I choose not to be concerned with the cares of this world. I will pray for all leaders, as a group and that's about it.
 

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"why would they do that? "
My guess is they want to know their "base" and how they respond to politics? For their talking points. For the life of me, I cannot understand why so many still think their fave pols are speaking truth. I choose not to be concerned with the cares of this world. I will pray for all leaders, as a group and that's about it.
Well put! God Bless!
 
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You cannot equate a handful of multi-billionaire Jews (perhaps a half-dozen to a dozen) who control the banking system and world events, with all the other Jews who do not, and have indeed been oppressed, harassed, persecuted, exiled, massacred, and killed.

Jews have experienced GENOCIDE and that is a historical fact. The Holocaust is also a historical fact, and we may not even know the full extent of it, since every Jew was not always recorded in every country where they were killed.

Christians must stand firmly against Anti-Semitism and hatred for Jews. Christians themselves are hated and persecuted in many lands.
Christians must not be lead astray, the people who took part in wars are not truly Christians, thou shall not Kill ! so many people have been lead astray by the works of Satan.
The works of Satan are so cunning, they work to lead all astray.
A true Christian does not hate anyone, but one should no be under great deceptions !

Deceptions, one such is the word Anti-Semite, a work that is just so vast in it's description but does truly have no real worthy foundation to truly speak of, so it can be used so easy as to mislead. it's a great deception. one of the wonders of the world.

Holocaust is another deception that is played out that only try's to deceives all who do not understand the true Biblical meaning of the word.

To truly educated Christians and true Jews the Word Holocaust actually means 'A burnt offering' ! it's an offering to God !
One should understand that fact and it does not go beyond that line ever, but sure idiots may use the word to mean what they please because they a only dilettantes I am not interested in what such idiots may claim.

IF one uses the word Holocaust to describe the Genocide of the Jews under Hitler, such a one is a Satanist ! such is blasphemy ! it was not a Bunt Offering ! at all, it was Genocide !!!
How stupid can one get !
Fact is that if one claims such is a Holocaust, then one is truly saying that such was ordained by God, in fact !
So Was it gods will ? come now surely !

I say that it was the work of Satan in fact and that such is a Genocide done by man lead astray.

I say that anyone who claims that it was a Holocaust is in grave danger of going to Hell, for saying such a blasphemy to God ! such a one is claiming that it was Gods will in fact, but they maybe to stupid to understand the reality of what is truly involved in all this, because they have been lead astray by the cunning of such Satanist that propagate such lies.

As a my self coming from a Hebrew line, I find such people making the comment of such as being a Holocaust that = burn offering to God as deeply offensive. the audacity ! and unmitigated gall ! of such people.
 

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If there is truth to be found we shouldn't be afraid of holding it up to the light. Truth stands the light test - lies do not.

If DNA results show the "Jews" in Israel aren't even Jews then does that mean we've all been duped? I don't know.
The way that I see it is that I could no care less what a persons race is, the fact is that Jesus Christ has come and all, that's all have to come to him to be Saved, their is nothing outside of that fact and anyone who claims otherwise is of Satan.

If anyone rejects Christ Jesus they are not worthy end of story.
Do not listen to such people for they have nothing to offer at all, because they are totally lost as to God. all that such people will do is tolled in the story of casting pearls before swine's.

Oh boy look theirs one who rejects Jesus Christ :oops: maybe I should listen to him :rolleyes:? if one is listening to such a one, that means one lacks faith, could such a one truly be born again ? what have they got to offer nothing at all, they are a curse, lost to Satan's deals.
 
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I was unaware of that verse in Jeremiah. But if the DNA results prove that the people in Israel aren't even Jews descended from Abraham then how can we accept the nation of Israel as being the biblical Israel? When I brought it up to our pastor in bible study he had a strong reaction and said not to read anything these other pastors write. I don't think I can do that. If there is truth in what they're saying - and I think there is - then I want to examine it to see if it's true and pray that the Holy Spirit leads me into all truth.

You are getting into "Social Darwinism." I have most seen that argument from Muslims. A lot of people have been taught to think like that, and have fallen onto that argument when talking about Talmudic Jews.

Consider this: How much does DNA matter? Were the people who left Egypt with Moses a racially pure people? They had been slaves for 400 and so years. What seemed to be most important is that someone came from a good family and could draw a family line, or was accepted into one of the tribes. Baal Worship involved temple prostitution, Israel is a crossroads country. Israel was linked to silk road trade, and there were armies marching through there. They were surrounded by pagan nations. Given Baal Worship, and something like Ezekiel 23, was Israel around the time of David even pure in DNA from the time of Moses? In Ezekiel 23, Israel and Judah were like two sisters god married who prostituted themselves with foreign nations and foreign gods. A lot of Nations traveled through Israel? God kicked them out into the Nations. That was an Eye for an Eye and a tooth for a tooth.

In the Torah, there is a process for outsiders to become Jews. The Talmudic Jews have seemed to fit Characteristics of Jews in the Bible, good or bad.

Are the Talmudic Jews, Jews? Given they are, they are tied to God's promises and curses, and we may be able to see that in history.

It is that easy. Debate over.

No. The Talmudic Jews are not tied to God's promises and curses, and we do not see that in History.

Yes. The Talmudic Jews are tied to God's promises and curses, and we may see that in history.

Debate over.
 

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If you are arguing that Talmudic Jews, as a group of people, should not be trusted, at this time, by Christians, and should not be part of Christian communities due to injustices, and history, you may have a good point. Tolerance is not a virtue. You seem to want a separation from the Talmudic Jews? Ok. That would be the start of the Book of Acts where early Christians separated themselves from "The World?" They didn't want to be around the Pharisee either? At least, not in terms of who their neighbor was.

How does arguing against the Jews not being DNA Jews, help you? What does that do for you in the long run? Isn't it better for them to have their own country? That sounds kind of funny, but your motivations are funny and kind of twisted here.

You are making an argument that the Talmudic Jews are not Jews........towards what? God is just. Given the Jews have been doing wrong, God will punish them in due time. It may also be in God's plans:

For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" (Matthew 23:39)

Given people were made aware of what the Talmudic Jews have done, they should be angry. There is a lot of anger and guilt to be passed around. For example, Kabbalah, Mysticism for Christ Deniers, was used by "The Golden Dawn," an organization that helped produce Wicca and Crowley. It has been used around the occult by people like Madonna and Brittany Spears, and various other celebrities were into Kabbalah. Brittany Spears, for example, started to go crazy, and shaved her head, after leaving Kabbalah. Was that just a mental breakdown or something spiritual?

There has been a lot of guilt to pass around. When someone really looks at what the Talmudic Jews have been doing, they may have found many haters of God and righteous, be they Jew or Not.

Your focus seems to be Jew hate and Jealousy.

God is love. God is a forgiver. Also, the world may have been set up for failure by many false teachers and false shepherds be they Talmudic Jew or Not. This may lead to hard things in the future with no repentance.

What is the goal or motivation in exposing said things? If someone were to broach this subject, on Reddit for example, as it as been done here, broach the subject on a Christian sub, you would get banned in 2016-2018. I got was banned from /r/messianic where I was mostly learning, for posting about Jeremiah 30, and alleging that the Jews COULD have done something wrong, and what they did wrong merited punishment.
 
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You are getting into "Social Darwinism." I have most seen that argument from Muslims. A lot of people have been taught to think like that, and have fallen onto that argument when talking about Talmudic Jews.

Consider this: How much does DNA matter? Were the people who left Egypt with Moses a racially pure people? They had been slaves for 400 and so years. What seemed to be most important is that someone came from a good family and could draw a family line, or was accepted into one of the tribes. Baal Worship involved temple prostitution, Israel is a crossroads country. Israel was linked to silk road trade, and there were armies marching through there. They were surrounded by pagan nations. Given Baal Worship, and something like Ezekiel 23, was Israel around the time of David even pure in DNA from the time of Moses? In Ezekiel 23, Israel and Judah were like two sisters god married who prostituted themselves with foreign nations and foreign gods. A lot of Nations traveled through Israel? God kicked them out into the Nations. That was an Eye for an Eye and a tooth for a tooth.

In the Torah, there is a process for outsiders to become Jews. The Talmudic Jews have seemed to fit Characteristics of Jews in the Bible, good or bad.

Are the Talmudic Jews, Jews? Given they are, they are tied to God's promises and curses, and we may be able to see that in history.

It is that easy. Debate over.

No. The Talmudic Jews are not tied to God's promises and curses, and we do not see that in History.

Yes. The Talmudic Jews are tied to God's promises and curses, and we may see that in history.

Debate over.

I'm unsure. It's all something that I came across when reading and I don't yet know what the truth is. You do know that it was a Jew that uncovered this fact?
 

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If you are arguing that Talmudic Jews, as a group of people, should not be trusted, at this time, by Christians, and should not be part of Christian communities due to injustices, and history, you may have a good point. Tolerance is not a virtue. You seem to want a separation from the Talmudic Jews? Ok. That would be the start of the Book of Acts where early Christians separated themselves from "The World?" They didn't want to be around the Pharisee either? At least, not in terms of who their neighbor was.

How does arguing against the Jews not being DNA Jews, help you? What does that do for you in the long run? Isn't it better for them to have their own country? That sounds kind of funny, but your motivations are funny and kind of twisted here.

You are making an argument that the Talmudic Jews are not Jews........towards what? God is just. Given the Jews have been doing wrong, God will punish them in due time. It may also be in God's plans:



Given people were made aware of what the Talmudic Jews have done, they should be angry. There is a lot of anger and guilt to be passed around. For example, Kabbalah, Mysticism for Christ Deniers, was used by "The Golden Dawn," an organization that helped produce Wicca and Crowley. It has been used around the occult by people like Madonna and Brittany Spears, and various other celebrities were into Kabbalah. Brittany Spears, for example, started to go crazy, and shaved her head, after leaving Kabbalah. Was that just a mental breakdown or something spiritual?

There has been a lot of guilt to pass around. When someone really looks at what the Talmudic Jews have been doing, they may have found many haters of God and righteous, be they Jew or Not.

Your focus seems to be Jew hate and Jealousy.

God is love. God is a forgiver. Also, the world may have been set up for failure by many false teachers and false shepherds be they Talmudic Jew or Not. This may lead to hard things in the future with no repentance.

What is the goal or motivation in exposing said things? If someone were to broach this subject, on Reddit for example, as it as been done here, broach the subject on a Christian sub, you would get banned in 2016-2018. I got was banned from /r/messianic where I was mostly learning, for posting about Jeremiah 30, and alleging that the Jews COULD have done something wrong, and what they did wrong merited punishment.[/.QUOTE]
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