“...for my strength is made perfect in weakness.”

VictoryinJesus said:

to whom much is given, much is required

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zing

VictoryinJesus said:

Not sure how you see “for my strength is made perfect in weakness.” but interested in how you see it?

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as the polar opposite of "i'll just make my weakness perfect in strength, i'll just stuff this as far down as i can, and play Hercules trying to hold it underwater, even if it kills me"

VictoryinJesus said:

wouldn’t that be self seeking and for my own benefit

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i sure hope so, yes. Youd rather die vij?
Bam be selfish, for "your own" benefit, and maybe give those currently suffering for you a break
you got kids, right, a hubby, whatever
arent all the (witch) doctor appts self seeking, for your own benefit?

VictoryinJesus said:

in she would be indifferent?

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well idk what she would be ok, she is irrelevant, and her reaction is mostly irrelevant, but trust me that steely-haired short haired old lady will not be indifferent anyway i guess, even if it looks like to you prolly. She will maybe be a little harsh, from your perspective...but maybe not

VictoryinJesus said:

What does it serve?

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see q 1

VictoryinJesus said:

I could go upstairs alone and strip naked too and it be heard by One listening?

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like stripping naked is the subject here? Only yes, it is. Bam start there then, only you gotta be more alert for a whispered "liar" than with the dyke k. Bc you dont even strip naked for your hubby huh. Gotta run, congs awaitin i guess, sorry. Gotta go spread some more doom lol arg. Sure love that Joel O guy, man, he gets it right

pulping/consuming a whole lemon yet?
still eating tomatoes?
lots of tomatoes?
do you love tomatoes or something?

Yup, my dad was an atheist and approved when I was into the whole '60's scene (The whole 'tune in, turn on, drop out' thing), yet when I became a Christian, he wanted me committed.
Some people have natural strength more than others, but that has little to do with the strength God grants to those who rely on Him. Peter may have had tremendous natural strength, but it failed him in the midst of a spiritual battle...

Then a servant girl, seeing him as he sat in the light and looking closely at him, said, “This man also was with him.” But he denied it, saying, “Woman, I do not know him.” And a little later someone else saw him and said, “You also are one of them.” But Peter said, “Man, I am not.” And after an interval of about an hour, still another insisted, saying, “Certainly this man also was with him, for he too is a Galilean.” But Peter said, “Man, I do not know what you are talking about.” And immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed.
(Luk 22:56-60)

VictoryinJesus said:

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You said: “but not yet understood that Truth cannot be held or touched by them.” The woman with an issue of blood reached out and took hold of the hem of The Word’s’ garment and her issue of blood was healed...strength went out from the Word. Prophetic of the woman of His body with an blood issue, who reaches out to touch the hem of the Word and is healed ...
Luke 8:44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched....

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It was the woman's faith (honesty + surrender) which allowed Christ's energy (Truth) to merge with her, and Truth heals all things to its true state.
Continuing with the verse:
Luke 8:45-46 "Who touched me?" Jesus asked. When they all denied it, Peter said, "Master, the people are crowding and pressing against you." 46. But Jesus said, "Someone touched me; I know that power has gone out from me."
The woman touched the garment (not Truth) of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ felt Truth flow from him to the woman who honestly surrender herself to Christ Jesus. Truth merged with her from outermost to innermost of being. That flow of Truth heals everything it touches.

VictoryinJesus said:

Pondering this further last night and that is easily said ...but seems cold and distant like a dictionary. What is His Will? Psalm 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
what is His “likeness”?

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What is His Will?
God is Truth, the only Reality. Truth is the only true and pure energy (power). God's will is His willpower.

What is His "likeness"? The likeness of Truth is honesty. Our innermost being comes alive (satisfied), when we awake (consciousness), with thy likeness (with honesty).

VictoryinJesus said:

Psalm 54:1 Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength.

2 Corinthians 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [10] Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Realize this has probably already been discussed many times. Been meditating on: What is His strength made perfect in weakness? The reason I ask is because recently I was faced with a terrifying reality of just how frail and vulnerable this body is, and I trembled. It was embarrassing because those around me could visibly see the fear and I felt like the biggest failure and a disgrace to God. here I was claiming Him, yet crumbling in front of others. I love my mother but she openly doesn’t want to discuss God. Ever. Yet, while not leaning on Him for support, she is an unshakable rock. Tough as a Momma grizzly bear. I watched her go through the same situation I was then faced with and our reactions were completely opposite. Which threw me...in her strength is not my strength, but her strength didn’t appear to fail.

So, as I’m laying there in the doctors office completely breaking down, I am praying to Him telling Him ...He has the wrong girl if He wants to show His strength because I’m surely going to be a weak frightened rabbit and fail. Not a pillar of strength. But then, I’m seeing maybe that verse different. What is His strength made perfect in weakness? Because even though the body is trembling and weak...an empathy and consideration for others going through the same thing comes in. Suddenly one is more aware of how others must feel and how there is a need always for them to have someone there to comfort them; to sit with them when they they are weak and scared and uncertain. Does His strength made perfect in weakness mean power to never tremble? Just thinking out loud and wondering how many times I have it backwards? Do you ever tremble at just how frail and vulnerable we all are? Also realize the topic of sin will come up regarding the verse. But considering the cross and what was displayed ...His strength is more than just a cover for sin?

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Prayers for your recovery VIJ!
As far as His grace being sufficient, I see that as meaning that if we ourselves could sustain on our own, trials of all kinds, then it wouldn't be giving Him the glory but that we, ourselves push through on our own strength...He did not say that my "deliverance" is sufficient for you but His grace get's us 'through' our trials and we trust Him, no matter what. I know, easy to say that when I am not in your situation. None the less, I WILL be praying for your deliverance!

VictoryinJesus said:

yes. Peeling it and throwing it in the blender with a teaspoon of honey and a little store bought lemonade. Critically low in vit d so focusing there.

like tomatoes but wouldn’t say I love them. They are a nightshade, I think?

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well awesome. ya, nightshade, makes you acidic. magnesium helps a lot with vitamin d absorption, but you prolly wanna avoid coffee right now too i guess. A teaspoon of honey, wow you're hardcore lol, i use like a cup narf. So, your mag is prolly whacked too? Done a trace metal test? ha not that its any of my busyness lol. I guess there are actually like 2 or 3 MDs in the country who take their oath seriously, i sure hope you got one bro.

VictoryinJesus said:

Get it. Took a couple of reads but get it. Denial. Deceived. “I’ll just make my weakness perfect in strength.” A mask?

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i stumbled into this really amazing congregation today, 20-30 ppl, aged 5-80, very interactive...anyway, long story short, i found out i really dont want God's help at all; i want to help God
how i/we got there from a contemplation of "gratefulness" im still not quite sure--and i def dunno why i am imagining this has anything to do with this thread lol--but anyway, step i was "think of something you are grateful for," tra-la right, and we got a few "im grateful for fluffy bunnies and love" type answers, and a few "im grateful my sister blahblahblah" answers, and somehow it just kinda came out that being honestly grateful is a lot harder than we like to think, or for sure say out loud, bc to be grateful implies that you were in need or even dire need in the first place; iow you have to admit that you were weak/lacking/unsuccessful, however obliquely, and the last person to read theirs out loud even laughed at themselves, realizing, right about when they got to the "fluffy..." part. Then we all laughed, and i said what i found out up there out loud, and we all found out the usual pastor's parents had dementia which was why he wasnt there, and ppl just dont admit things that might be perceived as "failures" or even lack of success up here, particularly; this is a harsh place to live.

Anyway, i didnt read mine out loud bc i was too embarrassed to say i was grateful for being afforded someone's spare room/storeroom to sleep in for a couple weeks lol, which for me is nirvana as i'm pretty used to tents now. So i got to keep my mask on, yay

VictoryinJesus said:

2 Corinthians 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [10] Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

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The answer is found within this passage.

Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake...

In other words when calamities for Christ's sake do not bother a Christian, it means that God's strength is made perfect in weakness.

VictoryinJesus said:

It has to do with it and maybe even brought the thread to where it needs to be closer to the topic: “...for my strength is made perfect in weakness”. Let your light shine. Thank you for what you shared about being grateful.

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hopefully it came through that being really actually grateful out loud in front of witnesses will be perceived as a sign of weakness, i um "have to" goto work here in a bit so must do the time in numbers thing.

VictoryinJesus said:

Psalm 54:1 Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength.

2 Corinthians 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [10] Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Realize this has probably already been discussed many times. Been meditating on: What is His strength made perfect in weakness? The reason I ask is because recently I was faced with a terrifying reality of just how frail and vulnerable this body is, and I trembled. It was embarrassing because those around me could visibly see the fear and I felt like the biggest failure and a disgrace to God. here I was claiming Him, yet crumbling in front of others. I love my mother but she openly doesn’t want to discuss God. Ever. Yet, while not leaning on Him for support, she is an unshakable rock. Tough as a Momma grizzly bear. I watched her go through the same situation I was then faced with and our reactions were completely opposite. Which threw me...in her strength is not my strength, but her strength didn’t appear to fail.

So, as I’m laying there in the doctors office completely breaking down, I am praying to Him telling Him ...He has the wrong girl if He wants to show His strength because I’m surely going to be a weak frightened rabbit and fail. Not a pillar of strength. But then, I’m seeing maybe that verse different. What is His strength made perfect in weakness? Because even though the body is trembling and weak...an empathy and consideration for others going through the same thing comes in. Suddenly one is more aware of how others must feel and how there is a need always for them to have someone there to comfort them; to sit with them when they they are weak and scared and uncertain. Does His strength made perfect in weakness mean power to never tremble? Just thinking out loud and wondering how many times I have it backwards? Do you ever tremble at just how frail and vulnerable we all are? Also realize the topic of sin will come up regarding the verse. But considering the cross and what was displayed ...His strength is more than just a cover for sin?

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Even the strongest person has times of weakness

don’t let the accuser pound you

remember reading Larry Burkett - “demons released when cancer diagnosis given”

this is a war

Meditate on word

[QUOTE="VictoryinJesus, post: 653318, member: 7369"
]Psalm 54:1 Save me, O God, by Thy name, and judge me by Thy strength.

2 Corinthians 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [10] Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Realize this has probably already been discussed many times. Been meditating on: What is His strength made perfect in weakness? The reason I ask is because recently I was faced with a terrifying reality of just how frail and vulnerable this body is, and I trembled. It was embarrassing because those around me could visibly see the fear and I felt like the biggest failure and a disgrace to God. here I was claiming Him, yet crumbling in front of others. I love my mother but she openly doesn’t want to discuss God. Ever. Yet, while not leaning on Him for support, she is an unshakable rock. Tough as a Momma grizzly bear. I watched her go through the same situation I was then faced with and our reactions were completely opposite. Which threw me...in her strength is not my strength, but her strength didn’t appear to fail.

So, as I’m laying there in the doctors office completely breaking down, I am praying to Him telling Him ...He has the wrong girl if He wants to show His strength because I’m surely going to be a weak frightened rabbit and fail. Not a pillar of strength. But then, I’m seeing maybe that verse different. What is His strength made perfect in weakness? Because even though the body is trembling and weak...an empathy and consideration for others going through the same thing comes in. Suddenly one is more aware of how others must feel and how there is a need always for them to have someone there to comfort them; to sit with them when they they are weak and scared and uncertain. Does His strength made perfect in weakness mean power to never tremble? Just thinking out loud and wondering how many times I have it backwards? Do you ever tremble at just how frail and vulnerable we all are? Also realize the topic of sin will come up regarding the verse. But considering the cross and what was displayed ...His strength is more than just a cover for sin?[/QUOTE]

Hello @VictoryinJesus,

Praise God! That God's strength will indeed be made perfect in your weakness, and that the comfort wherewith you yourself have been comforted will be a source of strength to those suffering in like manner.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

VictoryinJesus said:

Psalm 54:1 Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength.

2 Corinthians 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [10] Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Realize this has probably already been discussed many times. Been meditating on: What is His strength made perfect in weakness? The reason I ask is because recently I was faced with a terrifying reality of just how frail and vulnerable this body is, and I trembled. It was embarrassing because those around me could visibly see the fear and I felt like the biggest failure and a disgrace to God. here I was claiming Him, yet crumbling in front of others. I love my mother but she openly doesn’t want to discuss God. Ever. Yet, while not leaning on Him for support, she is an unshakable rock. Tough as a Momma grizzly bear. I watched her go through the same situation I was then faced with and our reactions were completely opposite. Which threw me...in her strength is not my strength, but her strength didn’t appear to fail.

So, as I’m laying there in the doctors office completely breaking down, I am praying to Him telling Him ...He has the wrong girl if He wants to show His strength because I’m surely going to be a weak frightened rabbit and fail. Not a pillar of strength. But then, I’m seeing maybe that verse different. What is His strength made perfect in weakness? Because even though the body is trembling and weak...an empathy and consideration for others going through the same thing comes in. Suddenly one is more aware of how others must feel and how there is a need always for them to have someone there to comfort them; to sit with them when they they are weak and scared and uncertain. Does His strength made perfect in weakness mean power to never tremble? Just thinking out loud and wondering how many times I have it backwards? Do you ever tremble at just how frail and vulnerable we all are? Also realize the topic of sin will come up regarding the verse. But considering the cross and what was displayed ...His strength is more than just a cover for sin?

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I too am going through a time of testing. I agree with your statement that suffering does make us more cognizant of others' suffering. As far as God's strength being made perfect in weakness I honestly don't know. I haven't experienced it yet.

I hope everything works out for you? If you need prayer let us know