Fundamentalism; belief in scripture, becoming illegal

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Philip James

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The door is not quite shut all the way yet, I believe God is holding back the tide I am sure ...in all our countries... By Grace!! ✟

Hello Helen,

Indeed. The devil will have his hour, when God chooses, and not before..

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. But the one who restrains is to do so only for the present, until he is removed from the scene.

But we need not fear, the victory has already been won...

But when these signs begin to happen, stand erect and raise your heads because your redemption is at hand

All praise to Jesus Christ, our Lord!

Maranatha
 
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Oh yes...the spirit of gradualism very quietly creeps across all our lands....so slowly and quiet that hardly anyone notices it....
Another old preacher I know named it creeping worldliness.
 
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Hello Helen,

Indeed. The devil will have his hour, when God chooses, and not before..

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. But the one who restrains is to do so only for the present, until he is removed from the scene.

But we need not fear, the victory has already been won...

But when these signs begin to happen, stand erect and raise your heads because your redemption is at hand

All praise to Jesus Christ, our Lord!

Maranatha


Amen Philip ...well said.
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I trust you and yours are doing well.
 
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Notice that it isn't just the bible itself, but belief in it as well? I've always thought the two witnesses were the word and the spirit. You can't believe in the word without the spirit and they're going to outlaw both of them simultaneously.
Interesting perspective, and could be close to we can respect. I considered the two witnesses to be the old and new treatments. The old foretelling the new, the new explaining the old. But yes, our trust and belief in scripture will mirror what Jesus said would transpire, obedience to man-made commanders as doctrine rather than the commandments of God.
 
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The overt persecution of the Bible/ God/ Christians has really begun in these modern times.
While annoying...frustrating...And illogical...I hesitate to call it persecution. We haven't seen anything yet...these are still just birth pangs.
Christians in the west have little or no idea what it truly means to suffer for the name of Jesus. There is a storm approaching the like of which this planet has never seen...relentless and devastating in its fury. And Christians are mesmerized by sport,"Christian rock", and politics and debating over tattoos, jewelry, and cosmetics. The vast majority of modern Christianity well be swallowed up by the coming flood.
 

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Interesting perspective, and could be close to we can respect. I considered the two witnesses to be the old and new treatments. The old foretelling the new, the new explaining the old. But yes, our trust and belief in scripture will mirror what Jesus said would transpire, obedience to man-made commanders as doctrine rather than the commandments of God.

The two witnesses are being quenched right before our eyes. Those who are filled with the spirit are being imprisoned, and murdered while anyone who so much as makes a simple reference to the bible is branded a homophobe, bigot, or slapped with a "hate crime". This is literally more bizarre than The Twilight Zone.
 

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Notice that it isn't just the bible itself, but belief in it as well? I've always thought the two witnesses were the word and the spirit. You can't believe in the word without the spirit and they're going to outlaw both of them simultaneously.


Amen agree ...Jesus Christ being the first witness to Almighty God and Father...and we His Church are the "Amen" to Jesus in every way..
He the First witness we the second.

I've not found anything that sits with me more solidly than this ...yet :)
 

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The two witnesses are being quenched right before our eyes.
The two witnesses are two prophets -- more than likely Moses and Elijah (Elijah for sure) -- who will appear on earth when the Antichrist takes control for 3 1/2 years (42 months, or 1260 days). So they are not *right before our eyes*. See Revelation 11:2,3 and 13:5:

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth...
And there was given unto him
[the Antichrist] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
 
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It is very significant that while the Muslims and Hindus are becoming more and more militant about their false religions, the Western nations are rejecting the Bible, Christian values, and the light they once had. Which means that the accountability and punishment of those who rejected the truth will be greater in Hell. This is also what Jesus told the unbelieving cities of His time. As compared to Sodom and Gomorrah their judgment would be more severe.

The government has control of the public schools and is instilling ungodliness and humanistic philosophies - as well as socialism. I think that's where a lot of it is coming from. We had some good quality teachers yet we also had an elementary school librarian that a lot of parents thought was a real witch. We went into the children's library and she had a slew of books on witchcraft and spells. When I would go to the school and would see all these young kids coming out of her time reading to them I would cringe. A friend's landlord was a retired principal. He would water the flowers and stand gawking through their windows - he allegedly had some weird things going on. It was such a shame that he was in a position of influence.

At no greater time should we be evangelizing.

I Am a Witness to Brainwashing in Public Schools
 
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While annoying...frustrating...And illogical...I hesitate to call it persecution. We haven't seen anything yet...these are still just birth pangs.
Christians in the west have little or no idea what it truly means to suffer for the name of Jesus. There is a storm approaching the like of which this planet has never seen...relentless and devastating in its fury. And Christians are mesmerized by sport,"Christian rock", and politics and debating over tattoos, jewelry, and cosmetics. The vast majority of modern Christianity well be swallowed up by the coming flood.

Yes I have felt that something is on the horizon - we can see the storm clouds gathering.
 
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Thank you for your concern.

It's been a rough couple weeks but suffering is how we're purified.. So it's all good ;)

May He bless you and yours!

Peace be with you!

I recall when I went through a painful trial another Christian spoke the verse: "blows that wound scour away evil."
 
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Thanks for all responses! The last days are getting more and more deceptive and sad. Blessed to have access to these boards! :)
 
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I saw that and I thought "here we go...now the persecution really starts..." I think we're seeing the writing on the wall.

So what's the solution? When we read of Lot sitting in Sodom, does anyone really think it makes sense to stick around and wait for the inevitable destruction? Abraham's father is an idol maker. Abraham has to leave in order to become a monotheist. Do we see any successful movement to instigate repentance in the US, Great Britain, etc.? Do we see anything resembling a modern day Jonah causing people to repent?

The bible says to run from mystery Babylon, but it doesn't seem like most people are getting that message. Everyone seems quite comfortable with their life in mystery Babylon. I can remember Jews who fled the Holocaust telling me that things were beginning to look just like they did in Nazi Germany before they left. That was over 25 years ago. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but even I can see what's going on now.
 
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So what's the solution? When we read of Lot sitting in Sodom, does anyone really think it makes sense to stick around and wait for the inevitable destruction? Abraham's father is an idol maker. Abraham has to leave in order to become a monotheist. Do we see any successful movement to instigate repentance in the US, Great Britain, etc.? Do we see anything resembling a modern day Jonah causing people to repent?

The bible says to run from mystery Babylon, but it doesn't seem like most people are getting that message. Everyone seems quite comfortable with their life in mystery Babylon. I can remember Jews who fled the Holocaust telling me that things were beginning to look just like they did in Nazi Germany before they left. That was over 25 years ago. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but even I can see what's going on now.
While we are being lulled into a false sense of security...we have our choice lifestyles...our gadgets...The statistics appear to support the idea that most people are better off than ever before...we all even comfort ourselves into thinking the form of godliness we espouse is the one with the power...and we remain bind deaf and dumb to the real issues. Character is no longer the yardstick for a man.
 
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While we are being lulled into a false sense of security...we have our choice lifestyles...our gadgets...The statistics appear to support the idea that most people are better off than ever before...we all even comfort ourselves into thinking the form of godliness we espouse is the one with the power...and we remain bind deaf and dumb to the real issues. Character is no longer the yardstick for a man.

Occasionally I get out into the boonies, or out into the ocean, and the peace and quiet is overwhelming. It used to be something that took quite a while to get used to. That's how screwed up one's life can become when one isn't accustomed to living away from the technocracy. Now I crave living away from the grid. It's nice to get up with the sunrise, and be ready for bed when the sun goes down. Getting back to that natural rhythm has such a restorative effect.

I think I've mentioned this before, but it doesn't take long to desensitize oneself to the plight of your fellow human beings when living in a big city. You get accustomed to walking over people who you don't really know if they're dead or alive. Living in the country is a different story. You see someone who might be in need, you immediately investigate. A piece of garbage takes on the appearance of a neon sign in the country, but in the big cities, garbage is so ubiquitous it goes almost completely unnoticed. It looks like it belongs there.

I left California almost ten years ago, and back then I was beginning to see people defecating in public whenever I went into major metropolitan areas. It wasn't as bad as it is now, but it was enough of a nuisance that it made me want to leave, and never go back. The stories I hear from people who still live there make me wonder why I stayed as long as I did. It is also prompting me to look around my new surroundings. I can see that the writing is on the wall here as well. It's only a matter of time before it will be just as bad here as out there.
 
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Occasionally I get out into the boonies, or out into the ocean, and the peace and quiet is overwhelming. It used to be something that took quite a while to get used to. That's how screwed up one's life can become when one isn't accustomed to living away from the technocracy. Now I crave living away from the grid. It's nice to get up with the sunrise, and be ready for bed when the sun goes down. Getting back to that natural rhythm has such a restorative effect.

I think I've mentioned this before, but it doesn't take long to desensitize oneself to the plight of your fellow human beings when living in a big city. You get accustomed to walking over people who you don't really know if they're dead or alive. Living in the country is a different story. You see someone who might be in need, you immediately investigate. A piece of garbage takes on the appearance of a neon sign in the country, but in the big cities, garbage is so ubiquitous it goes almost completely unnoticed. It looks like it belongs there.

I left California almost ten years ago, and back then I was beginning to see people defecating in public whenever I went into major metropolitan areas. It wasn't as bad as it is now, but it was enough of a nuisance that it made me want to leave, and never go back. The stories I hear from people who still live there make me wonder why I stayed as long as I did. It is also prompting me to look around my new surroundings. I can see that the writing is on the wall here as well. It's only a matter of time before it will be just as bad here as out there.
I lived 3 years ago in the country, moved here to Oz and live on the edge of a city with a population larger than my former country. But I love it here, and only a two minute drive from a local national park forest. Difficult to explain why I like it here better. Much more cosmopolitan and the whole vibe is more positive. But, and it's a big but, it ain't home.