Soon to be fulfilled Prophesies

Keraz said:

But you deny the Prophetic Word.
In over 100 prophesies the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath is described as coming from the Lord, not anything man will do. Amos 1

I realize that for you to admit you are wrong, it would mean all that you say should be questioned. Tough!

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Social media (SM) is used to promote genocides, wars, the Rainbow Plague with it's religious intolerance, racial hatred, social and political upheavals and overall moral decay, not to mention the persistent mockery of all things Christian. SM is the most powerful propaganda machine in the history of mankind. The further man moves away from God, the more he self-destructs. "fiery wrath" is what He allows us to do to ourselves. I don't think it's something God imposes. "fiery wrath" may be some fear based future event, but it's happening right here, right now. 1250 babies on average every day are butchered as pagan sacrifice to false gods, and millions upon millions of children, women and families are dying or living under unimaginable conditions. The Rainbow Plague wants to destroy the institution of the family, infecting government legislation all over the world. SM is not regulated at all by the good guys. What's needed are moral guidelines for SM, because they don't exist. We are getting bombarded with subtle, cunning and ruthless propaganda every time we turn on our devices. The fate of civilization is at stake. You bark well, but it's up the wrong tree.

epostle said:

... You bark well, but it's up the wrong tree.

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Actually, it appears YOU are barking up the wrong tree, because what you ascribe to the decline of society is equally a contributor to the Tribulation. So where you only hear the train, it's already rolling down the tracks destroying everyone and everything in it's path. The plagues in Revelation are manifest in So. Cal. as we speak, and expanding into other cities and the world in general. But the church is asleep, only peering out from the blankets to catch a glimpse of the world, and then returns to it's slumber.

And of course the bulk of the church, unprepared and unequipped as it is, will respond to a lifestyle threat (can't buy or sell) as Peter in the courtyard, and will constitute the GREAT FALLING AWAY.

The only question is, who will have sufficient anticipation and preparation to withstand these travails.

Bobby Jo

Keraz said:

... Nukes just do not cause many of the prophesied effects of the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Tsunamis is just one example.

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... and there are I dare say DOZENS more Scriptural depictions which nuclear weapons will fulfill, -- including an electromagnetic pulse (EMP)!

So you DO have ONE thing correct about the future, although your "timing" is skewed to a single event rather than the protracted exchange in which man COULD destroy humanity unless the "days were shortened" (because of all the dust and debris in the atmosphere) and world leaders feared their own survival.


Bobby Jo

Keraz said:

... Dust and debris from a nuke explosion? Yes there is some, but not to the extent prophesied. Revelation 6:12, Isaiah 60:2
How will a nuke make the moon shine brightly red?

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Apparently you don't have forest fires in New Zealand because here in the states when we've got a fire burning up-wind the sun and the moon looks orange-red.

Of course it makes MUCH MORE SENSE that an electron pulse would start a fire, than some silly notion that a nuclear weapon going off with 300,000 kelvin (539,000 fahrenheit) at elevation or 6,000 kelvin (10,000 fahrenheit) at ground level could combust people, vehicles, buildings, trees, or grass. -- The only source for this significant combustion would clearly be an electron source. After all fires are quite common under high voltage powerlines, and household fires whenever we plug in any electrical device which causes electrons to flow in our household wiring.



Nukes. -- What a silly idea,
Bobby Jo

Keraz said:

... I use scripture to prove my points, why don't you?

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Scripture DOES NOT STAND ALONE. History (and/or Science) must participate.


I've got to run now, because my house is on fire due to me turning on my computer and the electrons are running at 6,000 kelvin (10,000 fahrenheit),
Bobby Jo

Keraz said:

History never says that the moon has shone bright red.
Science tells us this will happen when the moon is struck by the ejected superhot hydrogen plasma ...

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Science is simply an acknowledgement of history. When two elements react, that's an historical event. When the someone successfully creates and is able to recreate that reaction, it's called SCIENCE.

So if your assertion is that History NEVER accounts for a moon which has shone bright red; how can you assert that Science will support that result?


Scientists can hypothesize, postulate, and possibly extrapolate an expectation, but it's not SCIENTIFIC until the results are in.


Perhaps your "solar flare" fixation exceeds rational thinking.
Bobby Jo

Keraz said:

… Only a huge Coronal Mass Ejection will literally fulfil them and all of the other effects of the terrible Day.

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ONLY your imagination LITERALLY fulfills Scripture.

Bobby Jo

Keraz said:

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That all this is before the Return of Jesus, is clear, then; He will come on the clouds with His angels, visible to all and He destroys the armies of the Anti Christ .

The Glory of God will come back into the Temple Holy of Holies, as in Solomon’s day. Ezekiel 43:1-9.

Note; that there is absolutely no hint of a ‘rapture’ of anyone at this time. The Lords people, righteous Israel, will gather and settle in New Israel, in all that area promised to Abraham. Jeremiah 23:3-4. Ezekiel 48.

The survivors of the worlds peoples will organize a one world government, as their leaders have gone. 10 regions will be established, each led by a President. It will not be long before one of them assumes full dictatorial powers. You know the rest of the story!

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No, all that happens with the day of Jesus' return on the "day of the Lord", and thereafter. The destruction will happen very quickly on the day of His return. You quoted Isaiah 24:21, which is Millennial timing, but you didn't stick to the written Scripture. When it says The LORD of hosts shall reign in Mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, that means Jesus has returned and is reigning over all nations with His elect. That reign begins right after the events on the "day of the Lord", a day of destruction of man's works off the earth by God's consuming fire.

Keraz said:

Jeremiah 17:5-6 The Lord says: A curse upon anyone who trusts in mortals or expects help from fellow mankind, while their heart is far from their God and Maker. They will be like a lonely tree in the salt lands, when good comes, they will be unaware of it. Psalms 146:3-4, Isaiah 2:22

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Thanks for reminding me that I need not pay attention to what your position is. Great application of that verse!

Keraz said:

Isaiah 24:1-6 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, split it and turn it upside down and scatter its inhabitants. Everyone will be affected.
The earth dries up and withers, it is desecrated by those who live in it. They have broken My Laws and violated My covenant, that is why a curse consumes the earth and its peoples suffer, their numbers dwindle, only a few are left.
The Lords Day of vengeance and wrath by fire from the sun, strikes the earth, testing all its inhabitants. Isaiah 63:1-6, 1 Peter 4:12, Revelation 6:12-17.

Isaiah 24:7-13 Crops fail, the people are shocked and anxious. Their cities are in chaos and their houses shuttered and locked. Nothing but desolation is left in the towns, the bridges and highways are destroyed. So it will be throughout the world, among the nations, as an olive tree is beaten and stripped.
Cities and towns will become uninhabitable – no food, power or water and roads impassable. Suddenly, in a single Day, is mentioned in Isaiah 10:7 & Isaiah 47:9 All the nations of the world face the sun over a 24hr period. A huge Coronal mass ejection could strike all the earth in one rotation = Day. Isaiah 30:26

Isaiah 24:14-16a People from the West and the East, acclaim the Lord. In the coasts and islands of the sea, we hear them sing- from the ends of the earth, glorifying the God of Israel.
As Isaiah 30:26 says: On that Day, when I send My fiery wrath; I will save My people. They will praise the Lord for their salvation. Isaiah 66:8.

Isaiah 24:16b-20 But, there will be trouble for the earth on the Day that the Lord opens the window of heaven and shakes the earth’s foundation. It will lurch and sway like a drunkard and whoever tries to escape will be caught, like in a trap.
Worldwide earthquakes. The unrighteous will be punished- no one will escape. Luke 21:35

Isaiah 24:21-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the leaders on the earth below. They will be made prisoners, punished for a long time. The sun and moon will grow pale. God will reign in Jerusalem and will be revealed in His glory to the elders of His people. Reference: REB verses abridged.

The leaders of the nations will be captured and punished. Psalm 149:6-9. The sky will be darkened for a while because of smoke and ash clouds. The Lord’s people will move to and settle in New Israel. The elders and leaders will know Him, as in ancient times, with Abraham, Moses and David, etc. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

That all this is before the Return of Jesus, is clear, then; He will come on the clouds with His angels, visible to all and He destroys the armies of the Anti Christ .

The Glory of God will come back into the Temple Holy of Holies, as in Solomon’s day. Ezekiel 43:1-9.

Note; that there is absolutely no hint of a ‘rapture’ of anyone at this time. The Lords people, righteous Israel, will gather and settle in New Israel, in all that area promised to Abraham. Jeremiah 23:3-4. Ezekiel 48.

The survivors of the worlds peoples will organize a one world government, as their leaders have gone. 10 regions will be established, each led by a President. It will not be long before one of them assumes full dictatorial powers. You know the rest of the story!

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There is no hint of a rapture because the rapture is sign-less, unlike the day of the Lord which has plenty of signs. And the day of the Lord happens after the rapture of the church.

Keraz said:

Jesus does NOT Return to destroy mans works off the earth.
It will be the Sixth Seal, years before the Return, that will cleanse all of the holy Land area. NOT the entire globe. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, Joel 2:1-11

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Well, there is a specific geography that is reserved for Yahweh, but the nations were divided according to the number of their gods (elohim). When Adam abdicated his authority, via his fall, to subdue the earth and have authority over it given to him by Yahweh, the earth became the possession of Satan by default and was divided thusly. Yeshua recognized that ownership in the temptation of....

Matthew 4:8-10 (NKJV) Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, "All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me."
10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.'"

Yeshua never questioned Satan's ownership in that verse. And one cannot legitimately offer something he doesn't actually own. I may try to sell the Kremlin in Moscow, but it really isn't gong to work since there is no evidence that I own it.

As in keeping with Deuteronomy 32 the nations were divided on the earth based on the number of their Gods (elohim). That is not an idle comment. The council of Satan has ownership of the earth. We see evidence of that in Daniel 10 when the angel has to fight with the entity behind Persia and later Greece. Satan and his council own the earth except for the portion that Yahweh has laid claim to Himself, the land outlined from the river in Egypt to the Eurphrates (Genesis 15), also affirmed in Deuteronomy 32.

The scroll Yeshua is given in Revelation 5 with the seals is written on both sides and is typical of a title deed of the 1st Century. No one in heaven or on the earth is found worthy to open it and reclaim the earth for the Lord, and John wept bitterly. But Yeshua has the authority to open it because He has overcome. It is His reclaiming the earth to His ownership as before the fall. In that, Satan makes one last drive to take over the ownership of even the land that the Lord has carved out for Himself. This is why the main focus of that future period is the land of Israel.

I highly recommend a very good treatise on the unseen realm and what the council of Yahweh is, the sons of God as expounded on throughout the OT, and other aspects of what is going on behind the scenes. Dr. Michael Heiser's work "Supernatural" or his more detailed treatise on the same subject "Unseen Realm". Academically peer reviewed and substantially documented. When one realizes that we are not the reality, but merely a reflection of the greater reality of the rebellion and war going on in the spiritual realm, then it is not so difficult to see how it is that the redeemed of Messiah are taken out and hidden from the great battle between the Lord and Satan that will culminate in his being locked up for 1000 years. If one understands warfare, even in this realm, before a country commences warfare, that country's ambassadors are called home. The same applies to the great war between the Lord and Satan to reclaim the world for the Lord. He recalls His ambassadors, the redeemed of the ekklesia of Messiah, home then commences war to overcome Satan and reestablish the earth as His and will rule over it for 1000 years.

Nondenom40 said:

There is no hint of a rapture because the rapture is sign-less, unlike the day of the Lord which has plenty of signs. And the day of the Lord happens after the rapture of the church.

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According to the Book of Enoch, the earliest copies we have dated to 1-2 centuries before Yeshua's first advent, one of the primary reasons of the removal is a sign to the people of the earth to shake them up to reality and cause some to repent and turn to the Lord.

I find it fascinating that Satan has spent a lot of time trying to explain the future disappearance of a significant number of people as the earth "cleansing" itself of the dark forces that are holding back the earth being able to move to a higher dimension of existence. And that disappearance must happen before this period of earth's transformation can begin. This is found in many works of channelers, mystics, and even extraterrestrial / UFO advocates.

I find it also amazing that Satan has wasted no time trying to explain away almost all other eschatological positions. Given that he is very familiar with scripture as evidenced by the temptation of Yeshua event in the Gospel, it would seem that he is aware of a early removal of the righteous and has to have an explanation for it that totally counters scripture.