When God lets you down

Soverign Grace · Dec 5, 2019

Stranger said:
All I can say is His ways are not our ways. And it is His ways that will be done. And His ways at present is to let evil have it's day. We don't have to like it, but we must come to grips with it.

We must get an 'eternal eyesight'. Don't just see the immediate, look beyond it to the eternal reward the suffering here produces. I know full well it is easier said than done, but eventually, that is what we have to do.

Bottom line....if you can't bring yourself to see God in your suffering, and that it is for His good purpose, and that it will bring an eternal reward for you in Heaven, then you will never get away from being angry with God, or blaming Him, or just miserable in your condition.

You must see God in your suffering.

Stranger

It's hard to get to that place of giving up when you see evil have its day and saying "okay God - You know this and I don't" and let go. I am such a proactive person it's hard for me to sit back. But God must have me in school for a reason.

I have gotten to the place of looking at it that God must be teaching ME something through it when I was focused on THEIR wrongdoing. I did pray for the people finally as God commands. It was as acid in my throat but I did it. The lawyer is a vile liar. I find it's hard to sustain that faith at times.

I think you have insight about seeing God in suffering. It might be one of the only ways to keep our sanity intact when Satan is attacking and God is allowing it.

Soverign Grace · Dec 5, 2019

Stranger said:
Yes, I agree.

And the 'gift' of discernment of spirits is necessary because demonic activity doesn't always come into your fellowship preaching wrong doctrine. He may well come in preaching what is true and accepted. (Acts 16:16-18)

It is an important gift. The one who has it probably is not aware for a long time that he has it. But it becomes plain to other believers in his fellowship that he has it due to his conversations with them, and his opinion about this or that person or some doctrine...which turn out to be true. They in turn give credence to what he says and so continue to watch and listen and see the results before acknowledging that, yes, we believe you have the gift of discernment of spirits. It takes that local Body of Christ to verify.

Stranger

I don't know for sure if I have the gift of discernment - as Helen said, we all have it. But just between my husband and I, I am usually the first to pick up on what somebody is about. He didn't listen to me one time about someone I sensed was untrustworthy - a "Christian" - and we were burned.

I wonder how you can know for sure.

Soverign Grace · Dec 5, 2019

Nancy said:
S.G.
I so hear you with this. It has taken me a long time to understand so much as how God works. He is behind the scenes of our physical eyes. I have come to the conclusion that, even though I pray His will...I do not expect it to be answered as I myself would believe. His will is always key, and His will might not be timely for us in this world yet, His will WILL be done, in His time and let not your faith be contingent on what you see others receiving when you yourself go without. They have their reward, and their rewards will perish...ours never will. Patience is so hard to deal with when we become desperate. We just need to keep our eyes on God, and believe even though we see the opposite of what we pray for. He is always working and, it is hard to see the forest for the trees! Just have faith that He IS working in your situation...put on some worship music, loud! Remember His promises and do not think so hard about what has NOT come to fruition but, KNOW He is working on your behalf...even though you do not see it happening as you would like. I know it is not an easy thing to do, by no means yet...He is faithful, always.
And, @Prayer Warrior , thank you for sharing such a personal post...it hurts me that you had to live through (and still are) all of that. But, your husband DID receive Jesus so...how much more should you rejoice in that? God is the BEST provider and lover of out souls...I myself have been single for over 20 years and am just fine with that as, He takes very good care of me.
xoxoxoxo

Thank you very much for your encouraging words Nancy. I think I've been through the mill - as in Psalm 66: "You let men ride over our heads..." but how can we measure our hardships against others? But I think of the following song and I think I came through great sorrow:

God leads His children along

In shady green pastures, so rich and so sweet,
God leads His dear children along;
Where the water's cool flow bathes the weary ones' feet,
God leads His dear children along.

CHORUS
Some through the water, some through the flood,
Some through the fire, but all through the blood,
Some through great sorrow, but God gives a song,
In the night season, and all the day long.

Sometimes on the mount where the sun shines so bright,
God leads His dear children along;
Sometimes in the valley in the darkest of night,
God leads His dear children along.

CHORUS

Though sorrows befall us and evils oppose,
God leads His dear children along;
Through grace we can conquer, defeat all our foes,
God leads His dear children along.

CHORUS

Away from the mire, and away from the clay,
God leads His dear children along;
Away up in glory, eternity’s day,
God leads His dear children along

I guess it hurts to see my friend's life go on so smoothly. I don't understand God. An old saint who used to teach us bible study used to say "see with the eyes of your spirit." I got back to reading my bible yesterday. I read an interesting passage in Exodus about God saying "I will give you the Spirit of Wisdom." So I'm going to pray for that as I do think I need wisdom and some help from God to see with eyes of faith. And we know "faith cometh by hearing" so I think it's important to dig into Scripture right now.

Soverign Grace · Dec 5, 2019

amadeus said:
Yes, precisely! What people call radio now is not what it was then. When I would get home from elementary school before my family had a TV I would lay down on the floor next to the big console radio to listen to some of my favorite programs, such as Inner Sanctum, The Shadow, The Lone Ranger, Big John & Sparky, and yes, Ozzie & Harriet who were on the radio before they were on TV.

OMG my dad used to tell us about listening to The Shadow! I had actually purchased some of the CD's and gave them to a family member one year. I remember the Lone Ranger and "Hi-O-Silver." Didn't he have a friend named "Tonto" or something?

Soverign Grace · Dec 5, 2019

Prayer Warrior said:
Lol! Not sure which is worse!

I did wonder if fire ants were a menace but didn't ask! The ticks are so disgusting that I guess I thought nothing could be worse!

Soverign Grace · Dec 5, 2019

JohnPaul said:
@Helen, you reached out to me also and gave me advice, I haven’t forgotten you either dear sister, you Pearl, Soverign Grace, and Nancy are all in my thoughts, you reached out to me in my time of need.

That's so encouraging. I'm glad we were able to be of some comfort.

Soverign Grace · Dec 5, 2019

JohnPaul said:
@Soverign Grace
I’ve been away awhile, life has its moments and gets busy at times, Sister Soverign Grace, how have I been led to this thread, when I’ve been feeling so down? But I never once feel like God has let me down, I have been really depressed lately, really bad and have been praying night and day, literally.

I don’t know how people can be so miserable towards others, when all you do is show respect and courtesy, yet I ask God to forgive them and will pray for them as I stated in another thread today.

Soverign Grace, thinking of you today Sister, Satan is at large fight him and renounce him and all his false promises, I carry the Cross and will continue to do so, and will be praying for you Sister, something brought me back to the forum and I came upon this thread that I am late to, but will be reading through it.

God bless you and be with you.

@Pearl, a beautiful post from a beautiful person, I have been thinking a lot of you Sister and how you gave me Consolement and prayed for me when I was going through my job crisis, you reached out to me, it helped a lot, and I’m going through it again, but I keep on and keep praying.

God bless you for your kindness and wisdom.

Like Nancy said I can see that you have a sweet and sensitive spirit that is very rare and beautiful to come across. You remind me of one of my own children. I will tell you that I'm a science fan - I read a lot about health. I experienced bouts of depression before and came across research that it's linked to the gut. They've actually found that probiotics in the gut signal the brain. I began taking a high quality probiotic (Jarrow and Hyperbiotics) and it disappeared. So I know that there is truth to it. Low vitamin D levels can also cause depression - I take 5,000 iu a day. Maybe God led you here for this reason? I hope that you will try it.

Thank you so much for your prayers! They mean more than you know. I will also be praying for you. I don't know what your job crisis is by if you subscribe to "Rat-Race-Rebellion" they have a lot of unusual jobs on there. You may find something that you're suited to or even just work at until you find what you really want to do.

Stranger · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
We're inundated with ticks - a lot of people around us have Lyme's. Our dog had it. I wonder why someone never thought to bring in fire ants as a natural predator.

I don't know what state you live in. If you live in the North, I'm not sure the Fire Ants can survive the winters. I believe they got here on a ship from South America in the 70's or 80's.

Most city dwellers here would disagree with me as they hate the fire ants. But they don't remember or never knew what it was like before. And not only the ticks but the chiggers also.

Stranger

bbyrd009 · Dec 5, 2019

ha learn somethin every day huh
you absolutely
do not
wanna get lyme's

bbyrd009 said:
but if yall could go take about an 1/8 of psylocybin and get naked and sit in a cave for about a week thatd be great imo, we could maybe talk then lol

Clinical trials: FDA marks psilocybin for depression treatment
hmm
dey only been doing it in third world countries bc it works for like forever lol

JohnPaul said:
how have I been led to this thread, when I’ve been feeling so down?

hey jp

look up bro
lsd is less barfy though
but like x6 or something
wondered why i was posting that ha

bbyrd009 · Dec 5, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
we live in paradise yall
dont forget to invite someone who doesnt deserve it too
iyo to share a little this festivus imo
sure they might steal somethin, but so what really

bbyrd009 · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
Like Nancy said I can see that you have a sweet and sensitive spirit that is very rare and beautiful to come across. You remind me of one of my own children. I will tell you that I'm a science fan - I read a lot about health. I experienced bouts of depression before and came across research that it's linked to the gut. They've actually found that probiotics in the gut signal the brain. I began taking a high quality probiotic (Jarrow and Hyperbiotics) and it disappeared. So I know that there is truth to it. Low vitamin D levels can also cause depression - I take 5,000 iu a day. Maybe God led you here for this reason? I hope that you will try it.

Thank you so much for your prayers! They mean more than you know. I will also be praying for you. I don't know what your job crisis is by if you subscribe to "Rat-Race-Rebellion" they have a lot of unusual jobs on there. You may find something that you're suited to or even just work at until you find what you really want to do.

ah, no fasting? gotta link to the probiotics? ty
awesome

Stranger · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
It's hard to get to that place of giving up when you see evil have its day and saying "okay God - You know this and I don't" and let go. I am such a proactive person it's hard for me to sit back. But God must have me in school for a reason.

I have gotten to the place of looking at it that God must be teaching ME something through it when I was focused on THEIR wrongdoing. I did pray for the people finally as God commands. It was as acid in my throat but I did it. The lawyer is a vile liar. I find it's hard to sustain that faith at times.

I think you have insight about seeing God in suffering. It might be one of the only ways to keep our sanity intact when Satan is attacking and God is allowing it.

Do you read Christian biographies? I remember one I read many years ago. It was the auto-biography of Madame Guyon. I googled it and it is still available.

Stranger

bbyrd009 · Dec 5, 2019

Stranger said:
All I can say is His ways are not our ways. And it is His ways that will be done. And His ways at present is to let evil have it's day. We don't have to like it, but we must come to grips with it.

We must get an 'eternal eyesight'. Don't just see the immediate, look beyond it to the eternal reward the suffering here produces. I know full well it is easier said than done, but eventually, that is what we have to do.

Bottom line....if you can't bring yourself to see God in your suffering, and that it is for His good purpose, and that it will bring an eternal reward for you in Heaven, then you will never get away from being angry with God, or blaming Him, or just miserable in your condition.

You must see God in your suffering.

Stranger

dang Stranger preach it bro
Unkle Heaven

bbyrd009 · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
I have gotten to the place of looking at it that God must be teaching

leave the world maybe?

Giuliano · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
OMG my dad used to tell us about listening to The Shadow! I had actually purchased some of the CD's and gave them to a family member one year. I remember the Lone Ranger and "Hi-O-Silver." Didn't he have a friend named "Tonto" or something?

Oh yes, his pal was named Tonto. I heard an episode of the Lone Ranger only yesterday. I love listening to The Shadow too.

Gunsmoke is great for the ethical situations it poses. There had to be some Christians helping write some of the scripts. The other day I teared up at an episode where a man had led a very bad life; and as he was dying, he confessed his sins and said he felt free for the first time in his life. They handle situations with women well too, I think, with lots of episodes dealing with how women were treated. It's not done in preachy way, but it makes you think. I think maybe they had women helping write some of the scripts.

Stranger · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
I don't know for sure if I have the gift of discernment - as Helen said, we all have it. But just between my husband and I, I am usually the first to pick up on what somebody is about. He didn't listen to me one time about someone I sensed was untrustworthy - a "Christian" - and we were burned.

I wonder how you can know for sure.

Well, just like with your example with you and your husband, you are aware that for some reason you saw it and he didn't. In your fellowship you can at times see this on a larger scale. Many may not see something you do in someone or some teaching. They see all that is presented on the outside but cannot sense the real motive behind it. As your sense proves to be true, it gives credence to you having the gift. And of course others will recognize it. If this becomes a common experience then I would assume you had the gift.

This gift can be very aggravating, as to you it is very plain what you are seeing, and it's hard to understand how others don't see the same. This gift is important for leaders of the local churches to have. But that doesn't mean they alone have it.

Stranger

Nancy · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
Thank you very much for your encouraging words Nancy. I think I've been through the mill - as in Psalm 66: "You let men ride over our heads..." but how can we measure our hardships against others? But I think of the following song and I think I came through great sorrow:

God leads His children along

In shady green pastures, so rich and so sweet,
God leads His dear children along;
Where the water's cool flow bathes the weary ones' feet,
God leads His dear children along.

CHORUS
Some through the water, some through the flood,
Some through the fire, but all through the blood,
Some through great sorrow, but God gives a song,
In the night season, and all the day long.

Sometimes on the mount where the sun shines so bright,
God leads His dear children along;
Sometimes in the valley in the darkest of night,
God leads His dear children along.

CHORUS

Though sorrows befall us and evils oppose,
God leads His dear children along;
Through grace we can conquer, defeat all our foes,
God leads His dear children along.

CHORUS

Away from the mire, and away from the clay,
God leads His dear children along;
Away up in glory, eternity’s day,
God leads His dear children along

I guess it hurts to see my friend's life go on so smoothly. I don't understand God. An old saint who used to teach us bible study used to say "see with the eyes of your spirit." I got back to reading my bible yesterday. I read an interesting passage in Exodus about God saying "I will give you the Spirit of Wisdom." So I'm going to pray for that as I do think I need wisdom and some help from God to see with eyes of faith. And we know "faith cometh by hearing" so I think it's important to dig into Scripture right now.

Great lyrics! And, you are kind of where I'm at right now. I set my bible down and there it stayed for weeks...BUT- as you say, "faith comes by hearing..." so, that got a fire lit under me to open it again every night. I have been concentration mostly on the Epistles. Especially Ephesians. Eyes on the prize!!!
xo

Nancy · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
I think one of your gifts is the gift of mercy. You have a way of encouraging people and your love for others comes through. You could also have the gift of discernment as I believe we may have several gifts. That's a shame that a pastor would do that. He may have been squelching something that could have benefited the church. I have never tried to exercise the gift of discernment - if I have it - in church. I probably should have tried to find out what my gifts were and used them.

Yes, I guess we can have several gifts to be used as the Spirit moves. I think I have some pretty good street smarts, lol...but that is not the same and it can be frustrating. Thank you for saying such nice things about me, aww. I don't always FEEL merciful, lol. But, that is what God want's from us...love our enemies and pray for them so...I do my best to obey Him in that. God has this and, I'm finally to the point that I can pray some for them because I do not want hatred to grow in my heart, it was hurt and pain that eventually turned into anger with me as, the Pastor could seem to care less. So, I did it the way the bible say's to but...can't really do that if the Church itself will not listen. I had never ever talked to him about anything concerning the issue, so why he would walk away from me is beyond me. I'm a pretty quiet and shy person unless I feel welcomed somewhere. I'm done with that...I spent 2 years trying to "fit in" and, it just ended up with me shaking the dust off my feet and am now in an AWESOME Church...like night and day, literally!
God Bless you sister...you will be the winner!!!!

Nancy · Dec 5, 2019

JohnPaul said:
You said it right Nancy, and people take my kindness as a weakness and therefore don’t act so kindly towards me.

I can tell and, for the life of me...it is something I will never understand. I suppose they also saw Jesus kindness and refusal to fight back as weakness but, it was strength beyond measure! Let us still be kind so maybe those hot coals will pour over their heads and wake them up!
God Bless!

amadeus · Dec 5, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
OMG my dad used to tell us about listening to The Shadow! I had actually purchased some of the CD's and gave them to a family member one year. I remember the Lone Ranger and "Hi-O-Silver." Didn't he have a friend named "Tonto" or something?

They had a way of making those radio shows bring a picture to your mind. Things of course changed with TV because there really was a picture in front of your eyes.

Yes, Tonto was the name of the close Indian friend of the Lone Ranger, a former Texas Ranger, who was the sole survivor of an outlaw ambush. The actor playing Tonto actually was a native American who had parts in many movies. The series on TV ended in the late 1950's. They did a remake on it recently as a movie, but I could never watch it. Like many old shows and movies, for me, the remake was sickening. [I saw only previews or some of the opening scenes.] The TV program may not have been a really 'good' program but I liked it as a kid and it was never a comedy.

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